+ 33 The True Drip... Esterless
Okay, I wanted to make this post, because I see a lot of people miscalculate the amount of hormone they are running do to the ester weigh. What I mean by that is "I'm running 100 mgs of Test-P EOD, so I'm at 300mgs per week". That statement would be considered technology incorrect being that the ester is not calculated into the mg/ml's. I am guilty myself by not calculating in the ester. Below I have took the time to research each hormone and it's true dose per 100 milligrams. So for every 100 milligrams, these are the true value of the hormone, minus it's ester. Enjoy.
Testosterone Acetate: 83mg
Testosterone Propionate : 80mg
Testosterone Enanthate : 70mg
Testosterone Cypionate : 69mg
Testosterone Phenylpropionate: 66mg
Testosterone Decanoate: 62mg
Testosterone Undecanoate: 61mg
Nandrolone Cypionate: 69mg
Nandrolone Phenylpropionate: 63mg
Nandrolone Decanoate: 62mg
Nandrolone Undecylenate: 60mg
Trenbolone Acetate: 83mg
Trenbolone Enanthate: 68mg
Boldenone acetate: 83mg
Boldenone Propionate : 80mg
Boldenone Cypionate : 69mg
Boldenone Undecylenate: 61mg
Drostanolone Propionate: 80mg
Drostanolone Enanthate: 71mg
Methenolone Acetate: 82mg
Methenolone Enanthate: 71mg
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something i don't understand... so the npp 100mg/mL has ester of 37, meanwhile deca 38, why does the phyn-p ester releases much faster??? am i missing something here? i thought the less ester the faster it should peak just like acetate, closer to suspension, but the difference is only 1mg... i dont get it
Edit: nvm i guess that has nothing to do with it? just the ester profile is modified to release faster
backup2018Very useful bit of info here. Thanks mate
I'm gonna be lazy and not look through posts.
When a product comes back tested accurate at (for example) 200mg per ml, was their more added to account for ester weight?
Or does this mean only a certain amount is utilized in the body?
Testosterone Propionate :
Molar mass 344.50 g·mol−1
Testosterone Enanthate :
Molar mass 400.60 g·mol−1
2 different Componds identified (LC-MS/MS, HPLC. Etc) by Molecular Weight (not ester)
Was that a yes or no?
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No. More is not added
COMMON mistake people make.
Awesome post. Love my testosterone acetates!
How safe is it to order suspension or any gear w/out ester through a ugl? With sterility a concern and bacteria?
Testrogen_PropC...Suspension is more prone to bacteria than an oil based brew for sure. But if you go with one of the top dogs of the UG industry (preferably something that has been lab tested and results posted online) you'll prob be fine. Worst case keep some antibiotics on hand. I know I do
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which exactly test? depends on the ester. if this is test e for example, you get 70 mg or the active agent from each 100 mg. If 1 ml has 300 mg you get only 210 mg of pure testosterone, other 90 mg ensure slow release of testosterone from depo into your blood. 500 mg of pure testosterone enanthate is about 650 mg incl. enanthate ester.
Also dont forget about the half-life of each ester. If you need 500 mg per week, you wont get real 500 mg/week even if you inject 650 mg at once. Enanthate has a real half-life of about 4.5-5 days (depends on your methabolism). So say you injected today 500 mg. in about 4.5 days there will be only 250 mg in your body left.
If you split 500 mg in 2 days, say 250 on Monday and 250 om Thursday the picture is as follows. on monday you pinned 250 mg and by Thursday you will have a value close to 125 mg only. you inject 250 mg again, the total will be 250+125 = 375. In about 4,5 days you will have only about 187.5 mg. + 250 mg at next injection, it gives you 437.5 mg and so on. The amount of testosterone being in your body at a definite moment raises gradually.
If you need a high level from the very beginning there is a sense to load the double dosage at the first injection. Say not 500 mg, but 1000. In this case you will have 500 mg in about 4-5 days and the level continues to increase gradually. This will ensure high testosterone level from the very first week of your cycle.
Also take into account that about 98% of testosterone is bound by blood proteins (globulin and others). This means only about 2% of testosterone provide all the effects/side effects on your body. If you take proviron (as well as any oral steroids, but proviron has the most effective impact on it) simultaneously with testosterone it will decrease your SHBG level, which results in the higher level of free (not bound) testosterone = higher cycle efficiency (however, higher risk of side effects as well).
But something like an ED injections of a test ace or test prop would secure a consistent and constant level in the blood....correct?
Thanks! I will assume that TNE is 100mg of test, since it has no ester to drop it down, correct?
That it correct. TNE/suspension (both test bases but TNE is in oil and test suspension is in water) are both the exact amount of test as the mg/ml states ... Assuming they are dosed properly
I just recently started using TNE as a pre-workout. I can say you DO feel it hit you, and it is amazing stuff. Without an ester to slow it down, you get everything right now. Very nice.
It is great stuff and frankly I have found it useful in my personal life outside of the gym as well. I really like to pin 1 cc about 30 mins before I have to give a big "pressure is on, don't f*ck it up" presentation at work. That extra boost really shoots my confidence up and drives me to absolutely command the room. Not saying that I need it to give a good presentation, just saying having that extra "swag" when the boss's boss's boss is in the room and expecting you to be scared shitless looks really good.
Also, it beats the hell out of Viagra or Cialis when taken 30 mins before laying the wood
always wondered where you went champ! -99 damn. send me a fr if you have a new name etc!!!
Here's a quick question then. Say when asked how much of a compound you are running by a vet or by other forum members. If say your pinning 1 amp of test e EOD then you'll you say I'm running 875mg per week or 612mg/week?
Actually this is a huge issue for me. Especially when I have PM's from guys asking my opinion of their cycle or telling me how their last cycle worked out in such a way. For me, in order to give any advice I need to know what esters you are taking and in exactly what amounts. This gives me the details I need to give the most informed advice I can. I always take into account what is being taken as should any vet on here!
Perfect example is someone wanting to compare a Tren cycle asking me how they should run this cycle because last time they ran 350 a week for 8 weeks and now they want to run 700 a week for 12. You see the huge error glaring you in the face here? One suggest a Tren ace with a much much shorter half life but a higher concentration while the other suggest an enenthate ester with a much lower concentration. It is simply not apples to apples. But it can be converted to apples and then a good, proper comparative cycle can be calculated.
I get this all the time without people finishing the sentence and stating exactly what they are on!
Everyone just says how much they are pinning based on the mg/ml of the compound. No one (well, no one that I know about) bothers to do the math. It is understood the real amount is less.
New to this site, was considering taking sus250.. by rino labs.. been reading mixed reviews as of lately can anybody give some clarification?
No problem you guys are plenty welcome.. really glad you found this usefully
Thank you very good stuff. Ive heard this before but never found an accurate amount per mg. before.
TronThis is priceless.. just found this post. AWESOME! thank you! +1
So technically, if a doc prescribes 200 mg per week of Test Enanthate for TRT, one should really take 300 mg because that would actually be 210 mg of Test E?
wow actually taking a lot less than you think , great info many thanks for taking the time to research and write this bro +1 doesn't really cut it
Especially when you factor in that most ugl gear isn'twhat the label says. For pharma grade this would be accurate. Mist ugl have decent raws and if they compensated while brewing it could be close to the label.
lol I pm'ed Irongame asking about this and here it is all laid out nicely.
LOL glad to have been a help, still researching hex ester though.
Hex is barely heavier than undec if I'm not mistaken.
It is dude.. I kinda short on time lately to properly research it, will take care of it in the next few days bro.. I promise
I've never heard of that one. Prop is my main interest, but I only just learned that the ester makes the dosage lower.
Yes per shot it is, but you need more pins per week to keep your blood levels stable. Much easier to use a longer ester.
If you're a dude I don't mind pinning eod, but I also pin such a tiny amount I can use a tiny needle. I'm sure it's different if you're stabbing yourself with a 23g eod. Long esters are a no go for me, I need the short ones so I can keep a super close eye on sides.
I know your a lady and I was about to qualify my comment regarding that. Prop is usually what women go with (especially at first due to potential sides).
Just wanted to make sure you were aware of the frequent pinning involved (EOD) and all that entails. Best of luck with your journey.
EOD pinning is overrated bro.. it's really not that bad, with a 25 ga, hell I could pin ED with a 25 ga bro...
I understand your point, and the reason why it's not suggested. but the reality is it's not that big of a deal IMO.. Just my opinion bro.
Fuck pinning ed lol. Done it twice in the past it Sucks. Only made it maybe 2 weeks this last time before switching back to eod. Really starting to get sick of needles lol. Never thought I'd say that.
Use a smaller gauge, it takes longer but I have no problem pinning prop with a slin pin ed. Of course I'm pinning 1/10th of what you are so that might have something to do with it. ;)
Your just starting at this pinning thing so to speak (that's not a cut). I used to feel the same way. I've done it for many, many years and now I'm on TRT. I do twice a week now and that's too much. It gets old after all these years. I also use 25 g.
I don't understand what you mean bro?
I agree it gets old, I just do what I have to and if pinning ED is required; then I will do that bro...
All I ment was that I tired of pinning at my age. Your younger is all. I still do it, but I would love to find a way to pin less and keep my levels stable. Several TRT guys here are looking into it.
Your a "champion of the mind" so it doesn't surprise me you don't let it bother you. Maybe your endurance will rub off on me!
LMAO, I understand you now bro, sorry; I have a head full of worry and stress right now, so my patients and my ability to interrupt things are a little out of focused bro. I know that feeling dude, some morning you just don't want to pin yourself... I completely understand... I've been there but I did it regardless bro.
I try not to rub up against people LOL just kidding bro.
Don't know rubbing against people. It's the only fun some of us have! :-)
LOL, I heard it's funnier nude and wet... just word of mouth XD
You forgot to say "no homo.
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Or did you :0
LOL I don't need to say it bro, it's the ones running around yelling "No Homo" are the ones I'm afraid of LOL
Spoken like a true full homo ;)
LOL, hows that saying go? Takes one to know one... You point a finger and 4 more are pointing back! fine fine no homo.
Lmfao!