posted Wed, 12/04/2013 - 16:07
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i am 32 years old. I weigh 170 with very little bf. I am six feet tall. i was thinking about starting small and trying some test. I am going to run that but I need a proper pct. I basically need some suggestions. I was stupid last year and ran a tren test cycle with out doing any research. my buddy told me it was good so i did it. no pct or anything. funny thing is i blew up, side effects not so bad and i never noticed any effects like one would expect for not running a pct. i am happy with the results but this time I am going to make sure I know what I am doing.
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edit old post. sorry.
Can you fill out the rest of the questions for us, Bro?
Age: 32
Weight: 170
Height: 6'0
BF:
Last Cycle?: Test and Tren
All Compounds Used?: Test and Tren
TRT?:
Last time blood were drawn?:
How long have you been off cycle?:
What are you currently on?:
Goals?:
yeah sorry about that. Last cycle was tren and test. like i said I didnt know what i was doing so there was not much organization.
no trt
Blood drawn 2 months ago and everything is fine
I have been off for 5 months
not currently taking anything
Goals are to gain strength in size
Awesome. Well it's just going to be a basic run of the mill test cycle. Easy and straight forward.
Weeks 1-12 Test E or Cyp at 500-600mg
Weeks 4-12 Aromasin or Adex for your AI
PCT will start 2 weeks after last injection.
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20
The reason your AI doesn't start until week 4 is because the Test hasn't kicked in yet. If you're taking your AI before that then you can shit down your E2 levels and that will not be fun for you. We just want to keep the excess estro in check. We still need some estrogen to grow.
Now the drugs is the easy part. Do you have a diet planned out for this? Do you have a training routine planned out also? The diet and routine will need to go hand and hand. If you plan on traning for size and strength then you need to be eating enough to support those goal.
thank you so much for your help. i will keep you posted
do I have to take both clomid and nov a
This should help a little.:-)
Ok, i've produced a breakdown for you in order to:
1) Uncerstand what Nolva is/does
2) Understand what an AI is
3) Understand the two types of AI
4) When to use an AI/PCT
5) Knowledge about PCT/SERMs
Nolvadex- increases in the serum levels of LH, FSH, and most importantly, testosterone. And also helps block estrogen. However, it helps your body increase your sperm count because of that. In fact the bad thing about Nolvadex unlike Clomid is that it doesn’t on its own increase sperm count or their motility. However, you still needed it because it does increase your LH and FSH which we need for healthy testis.
Aromatase Inhibitors come in 2 types. Type 1 and Type 2. First Type 1 AI's bind by a process called hydroxylation; this hydroxylation process produces an unbreakable covalent bond between the inhibitor and the enzyme protein. Now the enzyme is permanently blocked even after all of the inhibitor is removed and can only be resumed by new enzyme synthesis. Type 2 Inhibitors on the other hand function all the same in their ability to reduce the binding process of the enzyme and the receptor. Except once the drug is discontinued or the concentration of the drug is sparse enough it is possible for the enzyme to seperate itself from the Inhibitor and eventually will allow renewed competion between the Inhibitor and the Enzyme for the receptor site. Aromasin is a type 1 AI and once it does what it's purpose is we don't need to continue use. Letro and Adex are Type 2 Ai's and the success of those drugs are continigent on the Doses and protocol of which we use them. Once you stop them you expose yourself to an Estrogen rebound. Now having said all of that there are also many other reason to why Aromasin use is beneficial to a Bodybuilder. One is Arimidex/Anastrozole Decreases IGF-1 18% while Aromasin/Exemestane Increases IGF-1 28%. Another is Aromasin is also known to decrease estrogen between 90-95% while boosting Endogenous Testosterone by about 60%, and also help out your free to bound testosterone ratio by lowering levels of Sex Hormone Binding Globulin (SHBG), by about 20% (12)…SHBG is that nasty enzyme that binds to testosterone and renders it useless for building muscle.
SERM- Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator- are a class of compounds that act on the estrogen receptor. A characteristic that distinguishes these substances from pure receptor agonists and antagonists is that their action is different in various tissues, thereby granting the possibility to selectively inhibit or stimulate estrogen-like action in various tissues. Clomid and Nolvadex are examples of these.
Mode of Action for SERM
Estrogenic compounds span a s
pectrum of activity ranging from:
1) Full agonists (agonistic in all tissues) such as the natural endogenous hormone estrogen
2) Mixed agonists/antagonistics (agonistic in some tissues while antagonist in others) such as tamoxifen (a SERM)
3) Pure antagonists (antagonistic in all tissues) such as fulvestrant (ICI-182780).
You want either adex/asin on cycle at the following doses:
Aromasin @ 12.mg EOD
Arimidex 0.25mg EOD if nipples get sore than 0.5mg EOD if still sore 0.5mg EOD.
References:
Cdaddy7 - (http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/ais-in-pct-to...)
GS9902 - (http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/pct-and-aromasin)*
Once again thank you. I actually ended up with sostanon 300. What changes can I expect in my research
*If you switched to Sust you're better of pinning Mon/Wed/Fri but adjust your dosage. So 300mg divided by 4 equals 75mg. So 75mg per 1/4. If you did 3/4 of a ml on m/w/f that would add up to 675mg per week. Now you have Test Prop in there. Your AI will need to be started a little more sooner than week 4. But when you start you AI start at a low dose and work your way up if needed.
if the binding at the receptor is almost permanent when using areomasin and use is no longer needed. how do I know when to stop taking it.
They also spelled it sostenon. should I be concerned?
thanks a lot. aromase, ai and novi and clomid for pct correct?
Correct and as far as the spelling I wouldn't worry about it.
Huge help man. Thank you
This site has a lot of info for first cycles. I would start at the beginners group and also you can use the search engine (magnifying glass top left) to search First Cycle. Also learn about AI and PCT. Blood work should be something you look into and if you decide on running a cycle you should 1) make sure you have recovered from previous cycle and 2) have a baseline for mid cycle and post cycle bloods
And you have some conflicting info. 6' and 170 but you said you "blew up" on that test/tren cycle.
thanks for the help buddy. Yes I did notice a big weight gain. 30 lbs. I was a twig before. could have been water retention. Weight loss after about 8 lbs after I was finished
valhallas bestdam str8 homie!! if your putting foreign substances in your body u better know what your doing because you could fuck yourself up and be on trt for the rest of your life.... fuck that...
whats your stats ?