posted Thu, 12/12/2013 - 11:40
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sustanon 300 cycle
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Age: 32
Height: 6 feet
Weight: 168
BF: not much
I was going to run a test only cycle and I recieved great advice on how to complete my cycle. (Response shown below)
Weeks 1-12 Test E or Cyp at 500-600mg
Weeks 4-12 Aromasin or Adex for your AI
PCT will start 2 weeks after last injection.
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20
More stats about me:
no trt
Blood drawn 2 months ago and everything is fine
I have been off for 5 months
not currently taking anything
Goals are to gain strength in size
I actually ended up getting Sustanon 300 so my question is should I change this cycle or stick with it? I am very new at this so please excuse any dumb questions. I would really appreciate some advise.
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Everybody gives sustanon a good kicking but personally i love the stuff.
Sorry no cycle advice i was leaving my opinion thats all................................
its cool. opinions are just as good
6' and 168#...... Bro it sounds like you just need a better diet! Run another quality test only cycle and eat something. I like a test prop kicker for the first 4 weeks at 100 mgs eod and test c at 500 mg split twice a week for weeks 1-12 then taper with prop at 100 mgs eod for 17 days right into pct on the 2 nd dat after the last pin. This way you get the most out of your cycle
I personally love and prefer sust over any other test. It's a personal thing, some love it others not so much.
I usually run it eod but I have done every 3rd and got good results. You should yield good results running 1cc every 3rd day.
Sust is so versatile and that's why I love it. No need for test prop or waiting several weeks for it to kick in like cyp or enth. It's also great for stacking with both short and long esters because you can run it eod or every 3rd day or twice a week.
Best of luck on your cycle. Your going to love it.
thanks for the advice brother I just need to find my source to get my AI and pct stuff. PM me with suggestions if you dont mind
With Sus, you will need to pin every 2-3 days. So either 1/2 CC or full EOD depending on the dosage you want. Other guys on here know a lot more about sust, and from what I gather the general opinion is that it's not great for a cycle because of the timing and esters.
You'll also need to delay or run your PCT a week or 2 longer.
Strictly my opinion but ideally using Sust for a cycle would look more like this:
week 1-16 1/2 CC everyday
Aromasin EOD
PCT 3 weeks from last injection
Clomid 100/100/50/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Sorry am I missing something here. Are you suggesting the Op runs over a gram of sustanon a week for 16 weeks on his first cycle?
And what is the reason for 5 weeks clomid?
it's not a gram. 1/2 cc ED would only yield the equivalent of about 500mg Test/week of C or E (give or take a few)
Need to keep in mind that 30mg of every 250 is Prop which means it's in an out in 48hrs. And 100mg per 250 is Decanoate which is very slow releasing and actual bio uptake is far less than other esters.
The decanoate having the longer half life is why I say 5 weeks clomid. Thats more of a personal preference, I just feel running all these esters you should error on the side of caution. An extra week of PCT is never a bad thing.
Ok now I am getting confused
Would you not prefer something a little simpler for a first cycle? That was really what I was getting at. For someone with no experience what so ever, pinning 150mg Ed of sust for 16 weeks would not be my first choice.
Yes of course. I agree with you whole heartedly in that Test E or C would be far better than Sust. But I also think taking Sust First go around only E3D would be a waste of perfectly good test and potential results.
Being first cycle he'll make good gains pinning e3D it's just not ideal. If it were me about to do my first cycle and happened to get Sust instead of C or E, I would want to get the maximum benefit from what i have and do it the right way. The Problem was getting Sust first go around, the solution, in my opinion, is just man up and pin ED and do it right.
If your serious about your goals and have reached your potential naturally, than you should be serious about doing AAS in a way where you are achieving the maximum benefit to potential sides.
I dont mind pinning. I have gotten shots before its not a big deal. Pretty sure i can take it.
There is nothing wrong in what you are saying. Simply a difference in opinion. Like you said, if you are 100% committed to pushing forward with using gear you should be prepared to do what it takes, in my eyes instead of running gear you hadn't planned for or wanted I would break the bank and go pick up some of what I did want/need, testosterone e/c.
I also read the Op fucked his first cycle up by running Tren. Even more reason to go back to basics with a long ester and do things right.
simple is good. thanks for your help any suggestions. do you have any info for my questgions below
Felt like your original plan was set out nicely. Stick with the test e/c and get a feel for it, get bloods done find your sweet spot with which ever Ai you go with and save the sust for another time would be my suggestion.
ok but I got the sus instead of the test. I thought I was getting test. my buddy apparently is not smart enough to know the difference
when would you start the aro?
day 3 the earliest, 7 the latest. Depends on how your body typically converts, some people's E2 rises easily others not so bad.
You can stick with pretty much the same thing and just substitute the Sust for your test-e. Sust has 4 different esters in it, depending on who made it (two shorter and two longer esters). There is some debate on how often to inject Sust (EOD, E3D, Twice a week). This being your first injectable cycle (if I remember correctly), I think twice a week (Monday, Thursday) would work well. You could go to E3D if you want, but it's up to you. I've done it twice a week and thought it worked great. Also, with the shorter esters in the Sust, you should start the AI around week two, instead of week four.
I really liked what you said and its helping me decide on upcoming sust 300 first cycle. 300mg 2x week Monday and Thursday for 10 weeks. Week 11 and 12 would be off and weeks 13-16 would be 2 weeks of 40mg nolva ed followed by 2 weeks 20 mg nolva. I also have arimidex and was gonna do .5 mg eod weeks 5-11. Out of the 16 weeks on and PCT, what is your opinion of the best way to take arimidex?I have scored 1mg tabs
do you agree with the opinion above that sust is not good in cycles
should i use a type1 or type 11 AI during my cycle
It's more of a personal oppinion. Some people love it, others don't. I like how I feel on Sust, but it can give you more sides (estro, acne, etc.) due to the multiple esters. A single ester (E or C) is a bit easier to deal with, especially if your new(er) it gear and that you know how your body reacts (long and short ester and their related sides).
will i see a big increase in energy levels, focus, and confidence
I just feel a palpable boost in my sex drive when the short esters kick in. I feel a bit of a strength boost as well. Energy is about the same as any other test.
also will i b e able to keep my cycle gains by using the ai and pct
Everyone will lose some when they come off. An AI will help keep the water bloat to a minimum and your PCT will re-boot your natural test, which will help you keep some of what you gained.
with the pct how much do you think i will loose. also I am seeing a lot of info saying to run that aro for pct is it better to do that or during cycle
It all depends on how much muscle you gained as apposed to water during your cycle. If you really made solid gains and if you continue to eat during and after your PCT, you will minimize what you loose, but you will lose some. AI during a cycle is to keep your e2 in check and its associated sides. A good portion of your extra test in your system will convert to estro, so you will need something to control that. AI during your PCT can be used for the same thing and also to give your own test a boost, by not letting it convert.
thanks alot. one more question. could i run the aro during and with my pct . also could you let me know of any reputable sources through a pm?
Hey buddy I wanted to touch base with you because I haven't been on in a while. I actually just started that struts two days ago. I waited until know because money has been taught and I haven't been able to order my pct including areomais until now. You helped me tremendously before so I wanted to say thanks.
I am planning to run 500-600 mg a week of sust 300. Is that enough? Also I was thinking about adding tren acetate to the mix and I wanted to get your thoughts. I am not going to do anything dumb and don't want to hurt myself so basically if you say it's a bad idea then I will most likely stay away from it. Please hit me up asap
Keep it simple and safe. I would not do tren. It doesn't meet your goals and can cause all kinds of potential problems. Run a simple Sust cycle and eat big and you'll do great.
Thanks guys. I agree with you. I have ran it before but I didn't know what I was doing. I was dumb. I am more educated on the subject now but by no means ready. This is why y'all are a big help. I still have a lot to learn.
Happy to help.
We all are learning. Keep it up! +1
no tren mate.
Yes. Excellent point about the AI with Sust. I never really thought about that but it is true.