Test Prop Anavar cycle need help with AI
Hi all,
I’m relatively new to this game and looking for a little advice. I’ve been on TRT for a year and a half and have that dialed in with the help of my GP. I’m currently on 100mg Test C a week with no AI and everything is great. I’ve ran one cycle 12 weeks of 400 test C split into 2 200mg inj a week kept e2 under control with .25 Adex same day as shot in the beginning and eventually had to bump it to eod towards the end of cycle to keep bloat down. With all that said I’m planning an 8-10 week cycle of prop and anavar would really like to go 10 but asking everyone’s more advanced opinion. My prop is 150mg a cc and I was planning to inject .75cc eod which comes out to 112mg and run anavar at 50mg ed split in two doses the last 6 weeks. The goal is a lean bulk with around 10lbs keepable lean mass. My main concern is when to start and how often you would dose the Adex with it being a fast acting ester? According to steroid calc it’s going to have much bigger peaks and troughs than my first cycle but obviously they happen quicker but I want to minimize bloat and any e2 related symptoms without crashing e2. Thanks in advance.
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One more question guys, I work out at 5AM would injections between 7-8 PM be good or is there a more optimal time?
When running Prop I like to time it so that the prop has kicked in about 3 hours before I train each time as this gives the best peak of energy and results in the workout - So shoot it about 10 hours before, just as you are going to bed.
Same here! Up at 4:30...gym by 5. I dont think it matters just stay consistent.
Thanks man! That was the plan to keep it within an hour every shot.
Ten lbs of lean muscle of that probably isn’t going to happen on that doseage.
? Explain this for me? I think caloric intake is more relevant than gear doseage, no?
Thanks if it doesn’t happen I guess it’ll be ok I can always up the dose next cycle. I just wasn’t wanting to jump into mega doses or throw more compounds in till I see how I respond. I have a friend that jumped on as much gear as he could afford straight out of the gate and he can’t ever hold onto what he gains he’s always up and down and that’s not what I wanna do.
Like jay and rusty said below, kelp well hydrated and clean diet will keep the bloat at bay... that’s a respectable amount of test for a second cycle, doubt to much bloat will be noticed at that dose especially if using an ai...bloodwork will confirm
Hope you have plenty of pin locations, pretty ballsy to run eod injections this early but have fun
Ha thanks I guess. EOD injections wasn’t my first choice but prop is what I ended up with and I’m not going to space it out further than that as it seems like begging for side effects. The pinning won’t be a problem as my wife is a nurse and does my injections for me and she already said she’s cool with doing it eod for me, guess I will just have to be extremely nice to her the whole cycle
Course she's cool with it!!
It's not her getting stuck with a pin eod lol. Trust me brother it's going to get really old really fast so just prepare yourself for that mate
No doubt about eod pins getting old quick. I just completed week 9 of my test prop and provi cycle, pinning the prop at 100mg eod. By week 4 or 5 you'll be ready for it to be over. Good rotation is important, I planned all my injections and spots on my calendar on the phone and went by it. It's easier than you think to loose track of where you pinned and when. I pinned 8 sites - delts, glutes, quads, ventroglutes. I'm on TRT too, so once a week I would have to pin my prop and cyp, 1.75 ml, so I did my rotation so that bigger volume always landed in the rump.
Best of luck bro. It's gonna be a bitch and a half, but it's doable. And btw, it's my first cycle too, so if anybody calls you a dumb ass for choosing that as a second cycle you can tell them I got you beat, lol.
Great advice on the note taking.
I've got a notepad that I write down my weight, size, injection location and dosage each time I pin. I'm making great progress but its even better and more reassuring to see the actual numbers down on paper.
I'd love to see an app made for it lol but thats just wishful thinking. There is no way it'll be able to list on the Apple store.
I do the exact same, even with my workouts. Everything is progressive loading so I need to keep up with each exercise of each workout to keep climbing. What's really motivational for me is flipping back a month and seeing how much I've progressed. Helps me push past the pain and keep adding more weight even on days when I don't necessarily feel up to it.
Nice mate!
How did you find pinning your ventroglutes mate?
That's actually my favorite spot to pin now. And, if you are going to have to suffer pip, that's by far the best spot as far as dealing with it, with glutes coming in second. Quad and delt pip absolutely sucks and can mess your day up, but VG pip is much easier to soldier through and not effect your workouts or day to day activities.
Pinning tonight so will keep you posted buddy ;)
Thanks man
Ventroglutes for the win. Defo my favourite pin spot. Never get any pip there and can get a decent volume in ifnit have to - not that I am advising going high volume pins but sometimes needs must!
Mine too dacky, to me that spot is just more accessible and I feel like it gets better absorbtion. I read that VG's is an area with excellent blood flow, so I think that's one of the reasons that area doesn't pip much, just great absorbtion.
I guess it's time to man up and try it.....thanks brother
Nothing to worry about my friend. Find the right spot and will be the easiest pin you ever do!
I've got an excellent YouTube video that shows exactly where ton pin, shoot me a pm if you want it.
Pm sent bud
Haha thanks. Makes me feel better knowing running prop went well for you. As long as any pip is bearable I should be g2g I like to do a lot of planning with the calendar on my phone as well so I’ll probably do the same as you to make sure my cyp dose always lands on glutes or ventro glutes. Thanks for that advice.
You're welcome. Hopefully you got some prop that won't give you pip too bad. I had some that I'd never be able to do a solid week with that got trashed, switched to another brand and got no pip and much better results. So in my experience there is prop that is pretty pip free - except for virgin muscle, always gonna get at least a few days discomfort outta that.
Yep..and being just a second cycle with all that pinning, bound to pin virgin muscle at some point...with prop ouch.
Definitely mate
basskiller89I would opt for test e or c over prop any day. If you already have the prop that's a different story. The ester refers to the speed at which the compound decreases in total mg dosage. Test begins working immediately regardless of its ester. I personally start my AI from day 1 as I am very prone to developing gyno at low dosages of estrogen. I also developed a tiny ball without any signs. I probably would have noticed if I was feeling for glandular tissue regularly, so 12 weeks of no symptoms and not checking led to tissue growth
Thanks for the advice. I’ve spent a lot of time reading about difference in esters in here and was planning a test e cycle but that fell through and I’ve already got 4 vials of prop sitting here so I decided to forgo the test e cycle and give prop a shot but I won’t start for another 2 weeks. I’m just going to wait till my next order to get some test e and stock up on other things since I’ve already got prop and Adex on hand.
You also should have your pct on hand in case you need to drop the cycle for any reason mate
I’m on trt so i never pct I just never get a break from a needle either.
basskiller89Anytime, I'm here if you need help brother
I'm going to be running a similar cycle this spring except I will use proviron as well. Obvious answer as to when to take an ai is when bloodwork dictates you need to. We all react differently but I seem to do well with my e2 slightly higher. I dont mind being a little oily as long as my libido is up, my dick is operational and Im gaining. No one can say when you should start an ai, that will depend on you and how you feel. Keep sodium down drink plenty of h20 and keep your diet right and that should help with bloat. Ive not used test over 600mg and Im good at .25 e3d. As long as I feel good, when I run mine I will start this protocol around week 2- 2 1/2. Get bloods done half way or anytime you feel like you are having issues dialing it in. Good luck.
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Thanks for the advice that’s pretty much what I did with my first cycle was went by feel and never had any libido issues and had bloods pulled pre, mid, and post cycle which is the same plan as this time. I don’t remember exact numbers it was slightly elevated but never crazy according to the lab ranges and went back down after I got on my trt only dose. I was just wondering others experience with prop as it will be my first time with it and I was planning to start ai about 2 1/2 weeks in at low dose and adjust accordingly.
What cycles have you done? 30 yrs old and on trt. Im wondering if you have mess yourself up doing a cycle? U should post a pic u sound like a beast at 6 4' 230 lbs.
Yes I got on trt at 30 a year and a half ago. I’ve only done one test cyp cycle. If I had to guess what messed me up was my younger days when you could buy prohormones at any supplement store and I didn’t know what they were and I did that shit several times no pct or anything and being young didn’t know shit was wrong till I hit about 29 and felt like crap all the time even with proper diet and exercise. I’m not sure I’m exactly a beast bro just a big guy but I’ll see if I can post a pic later just be warned I’m so white you may need sunglasses haha
Only color on me are tats and im covered but this isnt a dating site so your safe brother.
Lol
RustyhookerYoull never minimize bloat without bloods and proper diet. After seeing so many 'bloat' forums i wonder if anyone has ever really been moon faced?
Current stats?
No worries Rusty I’ve had the moon face many times. Not on that doseage though..
I was hoping you would respond I’ve been lurking on here a lot and truly respect your opinion and advice. Truthfully I’ve only done one cycle and no I never got moon faced thank goodness but after seeing so many vets preaching blood work and being on trt it is something I firmly believe in and will keep getting done. Stats are 31 yo 6’4” 238lbs. don’t know an exact bf at this time last checked post cycle it was 12% and don’t suspect it’s changed much. I don’t eat bad at all as the wife is on the keto diet and most of my carbs come from sweet potatoes and green vegetables, however I do eat a banana every morning before my workouts. Almost every meal we eat is cooked at home. My biggest issue most of the time is getting in enough healthy calories because I refuse to just eat garbage to up my calories. I’ve been training since I was about 19. I’m a former amateur strongman competitor but I stopped that about 4 years ago as it wasn’t exactly paying the bills and I was tired of killing my joints and my bf being closer to 20% then. I’ve only run one other cycle and that was a low dose test c 400mg a week and had amazing results which I’ve held onto all but about 2 lbs. I know bloat is going to happen to some degree I didn’t mean for this to come across all about bloat I guess I was just wondering some other people’s ai protocol just for some guidance before mid cycle bloods as I’m terrified of gyno or crashing e2 and not being able to get it up.
RustyhookerSounds like youll do well. Keep your trt base as normal so theres no dip. The ai advice posted above is fairly normal for me as well.
Oilly and horney...im growing. Bloods are always best. Bout beginning week 3 is good time to test. If you start ai and getting greasy and water loaded, the test maybe off a bit. This is where the learning comes in. Compare test to body results. Low estro i get dry skin, lips and sore joints. High estro the spca commercials are too much. Lol
Lil water helps strength. Too much and 500mg vit c am and 500pm will act as natural diuretic. Other food points noted by others.
I like var too! Simple and effective. Kills my appetite which is easier on cutter. Foods dictate as you know
Thanks for the response. I will definitely keep all this in mind I’m really lookin forward to trying the var but this is my first time with both compounds so we’ll see how it goes I’m gonna try and keep the ai as dialed in as possible. This is why I love this forum man! Freakin awesome advice from a bunch of people with way more experience than me!