Test E / Proviron question
I’m looking at running my third cycle in about 2 months and wanting to get things figured out in advance. So far I’ve run a low dose test c cycle and a test p with anavar cycle both yielded decent results. Obviously with any cycle diet and training play the biggest part. My next cycle will be the end of summer and I’m looking to put on more size this time. I was planning on doin 600mg test e for 12 weeks, I had thought about using dbol as a kickstart but not sure I want to use another compound that aromatises so easily, I don’t mind bloating this time around but don’t want gyno. With all of that said I was wondering if anyone has any experience with test e and proviron and what were your results? I’ve read the sticky and google till I’m cross eyed. It seems many people use it for the sexual benefits, but I’m more interested in it for lowering shbg and hopefully freeing up more test. What do you veteran guys think? Is it worth it on such a simple cycle?
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I'll play devils advocate here.. Boost your ego and run ANADROL! You'll look like a monster while on, lifts will go up and you'll bang that girl at the front desk of the gym, you know the one with the massive knockers.
I can't promise the last thing but anadrol in my opinion is a lot of fun at 50mg ed split am/pm or pre-workout, pulsed or ran as a kick starter/finisher (have a play around). It's one of the few steroids that makes me feel like on the steroids that you used to imagine they were like when you were natty if that makes sense.
You'll either love it or hate it, it shouldn't turn your oestrogen levels of that of a 18 year old woman either like dbol would. W your BP and drink plenty of water if you run it.
I actually tossed the idea of anadrol around before dbol just because of how much dbol aromatises. Like I said I haven’t decided on anything yet just tying to learn as much as possible to run a safe effective cycle next go around. Anadrol can’t aromatise and like you said people either seem to love it or can’t tolerate it, but I’ve read it still causes gyno in some people and nobody really seems to know what causes it so how do you prevent it when nobody seems to know how it happens?
Provi is a worthwhile addition to every cycle and is pretty safe in the grand scheme of things. No need to go above 50mg with 600mg of test. I usually save the provi until later in the cycle when things start to slow down. Provi gives a little boost then to help get over the plateau and finish the cycle strong. Quite a few people I know and 1 coach implement provi in that fashion. Nothing says you have to start it at beginning of cycle.
Thanks man. I was hoping you’d reply, another member told me you and rusty are pretty much the experts on proviron. So it’s sounding like on a 12 week run I could just add in proviron at 50mg week 6-12 to keep things rolling and just keep ai dosed the same throughout out unless blood work says different. Sounds simple enough and should be able to have another good run without the headache of additional compounds.
I know some people bring it in once peak serum test levels are reached. Around wk 4 or 5. Lots of ways you can incorporate into cycle. Nothing really wrong with any of them.
Hi mate.
Personally, I think less is more. On 500 mg of test e a week I find 25 mg proviron a day taken in the morning to be a great adition as I do feel the testosterone does more for me with the proviron then it will do without.
Always use Aromatase Inhibitor as you would rather prevent the out of control estrogen levels then deal with the effects: bloat, gyno etc.
Good luck.
why should he always use an AI?
Bloods will show if needed or not, I'd never use an AI when I don't know my actual e2 level. Much sides if your estro crashes or you don't tolerate Ari for example...
Definitely not blindly throwing in an ai. I did that my first cycle thinking I’d need it 2 weeks later my wrist and elbows felt like they aged 25 years overnight got bloods drawn and e2 was almost non existent. Got it dialed in after that. Just .25 of adex at night on injection days was able to keep things in check the rest of the time. My prop and var cycle I never needed an ai and felt good the whole time and didn’t get any acne like I did on my first cycle. I learned quick slightly higher e2 is necessary on cycle for me as long as it’s not through the roof like over 90 I’m not using an ai.
My bad mate. Of course bloods and then use AI. Not just taking AI blindly. I have had crashed estrogen and it feels like crap.
If he needs an AI after bloods confirm estrogen is too high then it will be beneficial. And find the right dose of AI.
do you have high shbg? why lower shbg?
Frees up more test - more growth and bang for buck with low/limited side effect profile. A good choice of wanting to add a compound for a novice user. Certainly better than the hey I did one test cycle and now I’m going to run test/tren/mast crowd :-)
the last sentence, lmao
I can’t remember my exact numbers from my last blood work. I just checked to see if I had the papers with me but I just had a sudden move about 900 miles away due to work and obviously left all that behind. I remember though last time I had bloods done on just my prescribed trt dose that shbg was at the higher end of normal I honestly can’t remember the range they used. I’m not going to cycle again without bloods I just was looking for advice and opinions in advance. My reason for wanting to lower shbg is I just didn’t want to run a cycle with multiple compounds and was thinking if I was able to lower shbg that it should make the test more effective.
Guys got you below. Provi at 50mg per day with your test dose - I see no problem with 600mg per week and am just assuming you’ve got some 300mg/ml test so will pin it 1ml twice a week. Nothing wrong with that for a third cycle.
Just make sure you get pre-cycle bloods done and focus on your lipids. If you already have issues there provi is going to make things much worse. Check mid cycle to see how you’re tracking and dial things in (low dose AI maybe needed/maybe not). Add some decent cycle support to help keep lipids in check and you’re good to go.
Thanks. I’m always cautious about lipid profiles that’s something that really concerns me is just general health. I don’t want serious heart issues for a little more muscle. I forget the name of the test but I know about a year ago I had a blood test done that your gp sends off and when it comes back it basically draws a pic of your arteries and heart and tells you anything you might be predisposed to, I know insurance didn’t cover it but it was 150 dollars well spent in my opinion and yes the test e i can get is 300mg an ml that’s why I’ve pretty much decided on 600 a week. I was considering pro I just for the fact that I’m not sure I’m ready for anything much more serious than test alone as I’m not stepping on stage ever. Is provi really harsh on lipids at 50mg? If so I may just keep doin solo test runs.
It can be harsh on lipids. But unless genetically predisposed to lipid problems it is normally short lived and resolved without about 8 weeks following the end to the cycle. 12 weeks of deteriorating lipids is not a big deal and with proper cycle support this can be somewhat managed. Now of you have a genetic predisposition to lipid issues I wouldn’t touch it or any oral for that matter as well as some injectable compounds.
Got ya. Thankfully I’m not predisposed to any heart or cholesterol problems. I try and keep everything in check with diet as much as possible but before I cycle again I’m going to log and then track my food for a month to see where I’m really at calorie wise and macro wise. If I’m being completely honest I’ve never done that I do meal prep but never actually made a food journal so I know I can improve in the diet department to help in the future on and off cycle. I also take fish oils, cinnamon, and niacin as just some natural precautions for the small benefits they may have.
I would instead kick start with test p and wait around 2 weeks in and then use provi the whole way through 50 mgs is optimal you free up all the binded free test and you will feel the strength! I use proviron in all my runs it helps lot ! And yes 50 mgs is the right spot any more you will see sides that u do not want.
You should really lay out ur goals also ur pct protocol so we can square you away.
Thanks. I could definitely kick it off with test p still have some left. I’m not about to cycle right now just came off cycle less than 2 weeks ago I just like to plan ahead and I’m thinking of doing a straight bulk this time since summer will be almost over. I don’t pct as I’m on dr prescribed trt of y’all 100 mg test c weekly.
FortySIXand2I agree I won't go beyond 50mg...some guys don't care because they are bald. I still have great hair, so I won't push it.
FortySIXand2I got provi on the way. Ill start at 25mg and go up. It is not toxic to any degree. Gotta keep that libido up.
Well worth it as part of every test cycle imo, for more free test. 50mg ed, split morning/evening.
Is 50mg pretty much the sweet spot for proviron?
It is for me. Some people will say 25 is enough, others do 100 or more. I was satisfied with 50. Gotta consider cost too. Good provi isn't cheap, and I'm thinking of after my next cycle also running it on cruise at 25/day.
Yeah that’s why I was asking if it was worth it. I know where I’m getting it is legit but it’s not the cheapest stuff like you said. So would you start at 25mg and pull blood work a few weeks in to see if you need to go up to 50?
I would just go 50 honestly. Do pre-cycle bloods and get shbg, then do your 5 week bloods and see where you are. If you want to baby step it you can obviously, but I went 50 with my first cycle and will do the same with my next.
Thanks man.
Search search and more searching is your friend. You’re asking questions regarding two of the most popular compounds. Plenty of discussion on here about them.
Thanks will continue to do so. I’ve seen a lot of discussion on proviron but it always seems like mixed feedback. Some guys seem to say it’s a staple for every cycle, others swear by it for sexual benefits again not what I’m after, and for some that seems to be all it really helps with.
Proviron doesn’t actually give you any “gains” per say. However, it does give great benefits adding to any cycle weather bulking or cutting or Recomp. Because it allows the other compounds to work better.
Thanks man. That’s pretty much what everything I’ve read says. It really doesn’t do anything on it’s own just binds to shbg freeing up more of what you’re taking is that pretty much correct? I was just looking for some veteran guys advice on if it’s worth it to throw in with a test cycle. I have a lot of respect for the guys on here that have been doing this for awhile and sharing the knowledge. I’m still relatively new to the game.
You can run test a little lower and add 25-50mg a day of provi. Try running 400-500mg test e with 25-50mg provi a day. You can run less test and get more out of it and not bloat up if diet is on point.
Thanks. So in your opinion you think the addition of proviron to a basic test cycle would make it more effective? I know that’s what everything I’ve read says, but I haven’t found anyone that’s logged identical cycles with and without it except the sticky at the top and the gains didn’t seem significant but then again proviron was added the second time around and we all know after the first time you’re not going to keep getting the same results. Sorry for the rambling just trying to figure this one out.
Yes, it makes the test more effective as there is less sex hormone binding globulin to rob it's effectiveness. Hardens me up, makes me more aggressive and happy, I need less exemestane with it, and I'm ready to hump everything that moves. The guys have you covered above.