posted Thu, 05/03/2018 - 15:03
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hey guys, what do you guys take to help you sleep? im not sure if its the test or the clen (taken with breakfast), but i have been waking up a couple times a night. any ideas?
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Why not cut the clen and increase cardio? Just a thought...
Already did, thread was updated days ago
Test usually doesn't affect your sleep in a negative way, especially if you are older and keep your weekly dose below 500 mg . Clen DOES and in a major way. Lower your Clen dose for a few days and then try to gradually increase it again. Personally I cannot even touch the stuff. Makes me nervous and shaky. There are better and more powerful compounds for clean gains and burning fat.
For improved sleep try melatonin but be prepared that it might actually cause even more sleeplessness. It doesn't work for everyone.
2-4 grams of L-Tryptophan before bedtime can work wonders for some. Definitely worth looking into. Good luck, brother!
JayD718Sorry beforehand, I forgot the paragraphs!
It could be both, but I think it's likely from the clen. Either way, there are a few natural things you can take, like melatonin, which can also help release growth hormone, and things like valerian, which actually really helps if you take a few. But, some meds that truly help are alprazolam, diazepam, clonazepam, and any of the benzodiazepines really! I'm currently taking alprazolam(xanax), for my anxiety issues, and I also take one or two right before bed, and they put me right out! There's also something that I'm a little hesitant to recommend, so for the record, I'm not promoting this in any way, and I'm just talking about it in an educational way. What I'm actually talking about is GHB. I know it has a very bad reputation, but when used at the correct dosage, and with good intentions, it works as either a central nervous system depressant, with feelings similar to alcohol, or it could put you right to sleep. Many bodybuilders used to use this substance when it was available right at GNC! It was know for inducing R.E.M. sleep, in which the body released your natural growth hormones. Also, the sex on GHB was fucking totally amazing. It takes away all your inhibitions, makes both sexes soooo horny! I actually had my first three-some, at 21 years old, under the influence of GHB, with my girlfriend and her best friend. Arguably, the best thing that had happened in my life until that point! Getting back to bodybuilding, many bodybuilders across the U.S. and abroad, included GHB in their supplement regimen, until a lot of dirtbags began to use GHB to date-rape women and had it Scheduled 1 in the U.S. I'm not exactly sure of what the legal status of it is in other countries. For a while, people were getting around the law, by using derivatives of GHB that converted into GHB once ingested by the human body. Substances like, 1,4- Butanediol, or GBL, but even those were scheduled after the government got wise. It really can be an extremely dangerous substance if improperly used, in which you can overdose on it very easily. I myself actually ended up in a two week coma, not from overdosing, but from trying to just stop taking the "drug", after consuming it for about one year straight, about ten times per day, with no break in between! I had so much, because at the time, you could just order a 10 liter drum from a chemical supply store, which is exactly what I did. So, when I went to the hospital and told them I needed to get off of this shit, and they needed to give me something right away,but they just treated me like a junkie and said I can wait. Anyway, I ended up in a coma for two weeks, and almost died in there. Well, like everthing else, some peolple abuse it, and some date-rape women with it, so now, none of us can use it for it's beneficial effects. Maybe that was for the best with GHB, because of all the deaths, rapes, and GHB fueled three-somes, they definitely shouldn't of been selling it at GNC. But, GHB without a doubt, is definitely a part of bodybuilding history. So, I may of gotten off course there, sorry, but below, "Eagles 2013", listed a few more possible meds that could help you get some sleep. Peace fellas!
7I’ve read studies suggesting melatonin suppresses gh instead of increasing it, yes no?
JayD718No, exactly the opposite. Melatonin causes your body to release it's natural store of HGH, while your asleep. Also, recently I've read some article suggesting that melatonin is actually a good supplement to take before training, because of the same reason. Just like almost everything, you can find articles claiming that it does do this, or it doesn't do this, but with melatonin, I believe it's safe to say that it does cause the human body to release it's natural store of HGH during sleep, which I'm pretty sure is only a small amount anyway, but as for the claim that melatonin will also cause your body to release HGH during training, I don't know.
I don't recommend this other than an absolute last result. However, I have ALWAYS had issues sleeping and even worked with my doctor and had sleep studies long before I ever started juicing. We tried ambian and it didn't work. Low dose seroquil and it knocked me out but kept me there for 16 hours. Trazadone didn't do shit. However, Lunesta works like a charm and I take it every night. It is also the mildest prescription sleep aid and the only one that commercial airline caprains can use due to its six hour half life. Just be warned, one got start it sleep is impossible without. It fixed a very long term problem for me that was not related to AAS, but I recommend it to you as an absolute last resort. It's not a fix to a short term problem because it will only cause a long term problem (dependence for sleep).
All the best
Its the Clen.
Also for others with poor sleep don't forget cortisol!
UPDATE: my 2 week clen cycle was over about 5 days ago and i have slept fine every night since. i actually slept ok the last couple days of the clen too, my body was probably just adjusting
RivaMagnesium to calm the nerves and melatonin at 5mg works wonders for me
JayD718Magnesium is also very healthy for your heart. I've actually never heard of it being good to calm your nerves, but that's good to know.
Clen messes with my sleep so bad!
5htp and melatonin worked the best for me as an otc stack tried zopiclone during Clen and tren cycles but just made me feel like a bus hit me every morning for a couple of hours
the otc stack was much preferred although 5htp gave me some fairly intense dreams! Not necessarily a bad thing
Always remember growth occurs in the kitchen and the bedroom (not a sexual inuendo atall)
I have a remeron script but honestly melatonin works just as well.
JayD718I don't know how you can say that melatonin works just as good as Remeron. Remeron is a close relative to the barbiturate family, and has a strong sedative effect, which is nothing like melatonin. I got the doctor to prescribe me Remeron while I was in jail, because I knew about the drowsiness and long hours of sleep it caused. This way right after the last meal-time, I could take the Remeron, and go to sleep until morning to try and make the time go faster. But, I guess it affects everybody differently.
7I’ll take some remeron, any water retention with the Ron?
I find 5htp works really well I used to use Valerian root and found that used to give me a good restful sleep
7Valerian root diuretic or anti diuretic?
Not having a pop but it makes me laugh lads would prefer to fight through sides rather than lower or drop a compound.
Sleep is one of the most anabolic thing we can do as well as eat. You fuck with sleep you'll look half as good as you could.
Drop the clen, it's a shitty drug and really not worth it, needless stress on the heart and for what? An extra 5% fat loss? Duck knows why it's glamorised now a days.
It's not rocket science, exercise and eat a 500/600 deficent cakorie doet if you want to loose weight. On a side note I'd bet you're no where near 8% bf
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Haha my Mann!! Grow more has it right! Sleep is one of the most important factors in order to grow and recover properly! Without good amounts of sleep your body will become catabolic anyway! Sleep is more important than the drugs in my book!
You know the JH! I've got a heavily pregnant mrs and a 18 month old son, fucking gain stealing goblins
I’m actually lower than 8% now, and there are only 2 days left in my cycle anyway so there’s no reason so drop it but thanks for your advice though
Upload a selfie brah
I just measured it using calipers and got 5% so even if it’s a little off I’m still under 8% for sure...I’ll put up a pic When my cycle is over cuz it’s not complete yet
Fair enough mate. See you in 2 days!
i meant ill post a pic when my whole cycle is complete....not just my 2 week clen cycle
Sleep is a problem for alot of people especially if your taking anabolics or other compounds. They affect everyone differently. They mess with the cns to a degree so that cause cause sleep issues. Sometimes doing certain cycle combos your kinda screwed in the sleep department. But when the cycle ends you should be good. Best thing to do would be to try over the counter herbs, Valerian toot, melatonin some sleepy tea.
JayD718What you mentioned about trying OTC products, like melatonin, valerian, 5-htp, can be very helpful to a lot of people. However, with me, I usually need something stronger. Im prescribed clonazepam from my psychiatrist, which really helps do the job. Especially, when you also suffer from anxiety, those OTC products just don't seem to do it for me. Actually, there is one OTC product that seems to work pretty good, and you should try if the others don't seem to work for you, and that is Diphenhydramine (Benadryl). You can likely get a big bottle of Diphenhydramine from your local drugstore for a cheap price.
7Valerian root diuretic or anti-diuretic?
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7Everything is contradicting regarding valerian on the internet, you don’t know of any studies on it regarding water retention do you? In your experience with valerian root have you noticed any water retention?
Hello Sir,
More likely Clenbuterol causing this, as soon as you stop taking, sleep will get back to normal. Starndart side effect for this substance.
Regards
Red.1979You can try a supplement called ZMA. I do not know whether it is effective. is a natural remedy
JayD718I've tryed ZMA years ago, as a natural testosterone booster that they say to take right before bed. But, as for it having any sleep inducing effects, I've never felt anything like that. It actually contains vitamin B-6, Magnesium, and Zinc. What makes it supposedly effective for it's testosterone releasing effects, is the form of zinc that's in it, which is mono-L-methionine sulfate and aspartate, and the form of magnesium, which is magnesium aspartate. Those two ingredients, mixed with the B-6, is supposed to cause a raise in your testosterone levels.
I have the same problem.... I wake up every 3 hrs to piss,....oh wait a tick, I’m an old fart tho
Seriously, it’s prob the clen like said below...no need to add anything other than a “natural “remedy , it’ll pass when you drop the drugs..( also said below), ....why am I even commenting.....off to Zumba class to get pumped!
thats actually a similar problem that i have....i fall asleep but i wake up periodically. typically that would only happen when i was on tren. hopefully it sorts itself out over the next week or two
For myself or if any friends are complaining of sleep issues I always add cardio. If 30 mins a day doesn’t do it, try 45. Then 60, then 90 etc... until you’re tired enough at the end of the day that you just sleep right through the night. All natural and no side effects except maybe a little extra fat loss.
100% it's the clen causing your sleep issues , it has a very long half life so even if its taken very early in the morning its still in your system when your going to sleep at night .
Thanks
1 tab cyproheptadine makes me always very tired, it doesn't make addicted only side effect is that u get very hungry the next day.
7Cyproheptadine water retention?
It's probably the Clenbuterol, if you're at 8%BF I'd stop taking it. Try taking 1 sublingual melatonin 10mg a little bit before bed.
Valarian root and melatonin too might help bro..I deal with sleep issues myself that shit sucks for sure... on the rare occasion that i really can't sleep for anything I'll take 2 otc benadryl and that seems to help me get at least a few hours in.. good luck
7Valerian root diuretic or anti diuretic?
The clen causing that
When I was taking clen making my mouth dry at sleep time that’s messed up my sleep when I stopped it after two days everything came back to normal
Now that you mention it my mouth actually is a little dry right now
Everyone respond differently to it i was getting dry mouth only at night time and keeping me up drinking a lot water but it doesn’t help if I were in your shoes I’d lower the dosage or just cut it off
Good luck to you
By all means dont lean towards any rx drugs. I take kava kava or gaba to help relax and fall asleep rather than something that just slams me to bed. A benadyl or something like that just doesnt cut it for me. Ofcourse we all work different so you might start with maybe a benadryl. I cam tell you that clen isnt helping you sleep any lol, just when u think its worn off its not.
im gonna try kava kava....i dont wanna just take a sleeping pill, im almost done with my 2 weeks on clen, im gonna enjoy my 2 weeks off lol and ill see how my sleep changes
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