+ 1 Post Injection Pain From First Pin
Hi All,
After several months of research and apprehension, I just started my first cycle a couple of days ago. It's a simple 12 week Test Cyp/Novaldex cycle, although I do have some other ancillaries on-hand just in case.
My first pin was in my right glute two days ago in the afternoon. By the time I went to bed, I had a dull pain at the injection site. When I woke up the next day, the pain was a bit worse. It feels like a deep muscle bruise. Although I haven't done a workout targeting the glutes since, I seem to have no trouble using the muscle, it just feels like a deep muscle bruise that smarts when I roll my weight onto the outside of my right asscheek. There is no discoloration, swelling, or heat. The area is tendewr to the touch, though.
I have plenty of experience with peptides, and I followed injection protocol to a T. All of my pins to date have been subq in the abdominal area, though, this is my first IM in an area as awkward as the glute. I have a natural aversion to needles, and I'll admit that I was shaking pretty good through the whole procedure.
My question is this: Could the pain I'm having be due to wallowing the needle around in the muscle with my shaking hand? Or could I have bunk Test C? Anyone else have experience with the type of pain I'm describing?
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RustyhookerClick my avatar. Check my huge pip forum out.
Thanks, Rusty. Some of this I'd read before. Some of it, not so much. From what I can tell, I'm pinning correctly, so the problem is gear, or virgin muscles. Time will tell, I suppose...
RustyhookerIt's definitely a learning curve. Study sterility and injection protochol. You'll learn your body.
I think I do well with sterility. My wife is in the medical field, and has me pretty well disciplined in that area.It must be whatever is in the bottle that is causing the pain. I'm just now feeling more normal from the quad injection last Thursday. There's no way i could pin a quad and do a leg workout within the following two days.I'm going to try heating the vial before tonight's pin, and see if that helps. I'm a little nervous about mixing any oils to cut the solution, but that may be my next step. I appreciate all of your help!
Are you pinning high mg gear? That would be the only reason anyone would need to cut it with additional oil. Regularly dosed gear you shouldn't have to do that with.
No, 250mg/1ml Test Cyp. Although I've seen lighter doses out there, that doesn't seem too heavy. After reading one of the forums on the rate of absorption of oils vs. test, it seemed like an option, though. I just don't know where to start as far as oils, or doing the math to get the mix right. That's what makes it a last resort for me.
My first pin was to the right delt, and I can tell you that SOB was on FIRE for 3 days. Needless to say, the swelling goes down, and the more you pin in that same spot, the more scar tissue will build up and the less pain you'll experience. Welcome to the world of alpha bro!
lol............... scar tissue is exactly what we dont want building up.
DO NOT be advising pure bullshit on here please.
Just imagine a delt for instance being all damaged with scar tissue through poor pinning techniques,,,,, how long do think it will take the gear injected to fully absorb?,,,,, this leads to blood plasma levels being shot to bits and the cycle is another failure.
You can pin the shit out of yourself but dont be coming on here telling newbs wrong information.
I am taking your karma away to learn you real fast we will not tolerate poor advice here at eroids.
Testrogen_PropC...C'mon Vike, you know you're not alpha until your entire mid delts are nothing but scar tissue. Lol
Yeah that's all bad dude. I've seen a few guys who took the delt injections overboard for way too long and the lower part of the mid delt where it caps out permanently sags. Looks like shit. Jerry Ward is one that comes to mind. And that Dylan gemelli toolbag as well
i use nothing but slin pins bro (have done for over 10yrs)................ only thing i have had that i couldnt push through a slin pin was some EQ dosed at 1000mg/ml...... the stuff was like jam!...... i had to revert to the old 23s for that shit, and it struggled to flow through that!.......... ended up watering it down with some real loose parabolan amps i had instead of binning it.
Do you draw through the slin pins, as well?
Testrogen_PropC...I back load them with a 3cc/18ga. I'm sure he backloads them too. You don't want to draw from a vial and pin with the same needle
I have plenty of 29g 1/2" slin pins from peptide use. If those will work, and possibly reduce PIP, I may give that a shot. I have a little more research to do on backfilling, though. If my dose is 1ml, would you recommend splitting it in half, in two different areas, due to the 1/2" needle?
Testrogen_PropC...My test flows through a 29ga 1/2". I would warm up your test to be sure tho because we probably have different brands of test.
Backfilling you load your 1cc of test into your 3cc syringe, grab slin pin. You pull the plunger out of the back of the slin pin, (I hold plunger inbetween my teeth) then you hold slin pin at 45 degree angle with ass end pointing more upward than needle end.
Uncap 3cc syringe, start filling slin pin through ass end, until you get to .5cc. Then you just BARELY insert plunger back in. Hold slin pin upright to allow air bubble to move to top of slin pin, push air bubble out with plunger.
Then you repeat with second slin pin.
I usually do each one in a different area. But if I decide to hit my glute with it I'll do both in the same asscheek.
So, I followed your instructions last night, and managed to load two slin pins without losing more than a few drops of gear. They weren't very balanced, and I ended up with one loaded at .3ml, and one at .7ml. I pinned the .3ml in my virgin left glute, and the .7 in my previously pinned right glute. It's now been 18 hours, and my virgin glute with the small dose is much more sore than the one that got the large dose. So, my conclusion is this: I'm a pussy. I just need to deal with the pains of novice gear use, and let them go away on their own. Thanks!
Testrogen_PropC...Lol! That conclusion was awesome. They definitely reduce the PIP from the needle itself but the PIP from the muscle holding oil will obviously still be there, especially on a virgin muscle.
Also if you end up trying it again and want to fill them equally, 50 units = .5cc.
I'm guessing yours are 1cc slin pins since you managed to get .7 in one? I use .5cc slin pins (50 unit)
Awesome, maybe, but quite true. I've been terrified of needles since I was a kid. I had to get multiple weekly allergy shots, and I occasionally had horrible reactions to them. The first time I pinned a peptide, I was literally sweating for 45 minutes, sitting in the bathroom with a shaking needle. I just need to get over it. I'll live.
Yes, my slin pins are 1cc. As I was filling the first one, I thought I was losing some out of the needle, so I stopped at 30 units. I'll balance them better next time.
Testrogen_PropC...I still hate needles at times bro so I feel your pain. The slin pins help a lot tho because they arent as gnarly looking. You should've seen me when I did my first pin (which was with a 23ga) it literally took me 2 full days of getting ready and pussing out before I finally did it. Lol
As for the pinning and filling of slin pins its just a learning curve and gets better/easier with experience. Remember to rotate injection sites and soon you'll no longer have to worry about the virgin muscle thing either so that'll help nerves as well
I may have actually pissed myself a little when I first unwrapped a 23. I was really glad to see people talking about slin pins on here. I'll never use a 23 again unless I need to lance a boil or some shit. Are quads and glutes enough of a rotation, or do I need to pin delts, as well? Really not looking forward to learning how my shoulder will feel...
Testrogen_PropC...It depends how many shots a week you're doing and what esters are being used.
If you're taking test cyp at 500mg (2cc) a week then glutes and quads are enough. If you were shooting a gram of cyp a week (don't do that, just an example) then you'd need to rotate all 6 shot sites. Just listen to your body, if your left glute is super sore, do not shoot it again yet hit a muscle that isn't sore from injections.
Delts actually aren't too bad with slin pins. I pin .5cc in each one. I found when I'd pin a whole cc in one with a long acting ester, that's when my delts would be really sore
Nothing crazy, just 500mg test cyp a week. The only reason I'm considering delts is because I may be able to shoot them right before leg day, and the following day is a day off. That means I won't really need my shoulders for a couple of days, but I will need my glutes and quads!
Testrogen_PropC...That's a good plan. And when I do pin my delts its always in a similar situation. I just try to avoid doing it right before chest or shoulder day
Thanks for the advice, sir. I'll try that tonight. Maybe the separation will reduce the PIP to a more manageable level.
Testrogen_PropC...Just make sure to push in far with slin pin to be sure you're in muscle, and inject slowly. Don't want a jet stream squirting out of there lol.
Also when I said BARELY insert plunger back in, I mean BARELY. Doing so you won't lose any oil. If you put the plunger back in more than a cunt hair before the air bubble gets to the top you'll lose a little bit of oil. But once you get the hang of it its really easy
Yes, I can visualize what you mean.As soon as the plunger makes a seal, something is coming out the needle, and it will most likely be gear. And burying a 29 still has to feel better than a 23 with a light touch! Haha!
Testrogen_PropC...Same here brother! Nowhere near as long as you tho. I built quite a bit of scar tissue up in my quads and glutes from using nothing but 23ga 1.5's. About 4 months ago I switched to 27 and 28ga slin pins and haven't touched another 23ga since. Slin pins are the way to go!
absolutely bro.................. i dont understand why everyone is not using them,
i used to have lots and lots of forum posts covering almost every subject... one of those was outlining the benefits and comfort of using slins and was popular here.
one day after having a head on collision with another mod in the back room i made my mind up to leave so went about deleting all my forums and pictures etc.............. i cant be assed writing them all again, and prefer now to just drop comments in threads that interest me or i know will help the person.
Testrogen_PropC...I'm sorry to hear that bro. But I know I have seen you help a lot of people even without those threads. I left something similar in one of the 40+ TRT threads about my experience switching to slin pins but I friggin suck at explaining shit so I don't think I worded it too well lol.
Found it- https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/over-40-trt/sub-q-testosterone-vs-im
Thanks for correcting that, although I hate to see action taken against anyone. I pinned my left quad last night, took my time, and the needle was much more steady due to lass anxiety, and an easier reach. I still have a similar ache this morning, like I did with the glute on Sunday, but it's compounded by pretty severe DOMS from Wednesdays leg workout. Didn't really think that one through... :/
Thanks for all the help on this question. By the end of day three, the pain was subsiding, and I was able to do a heavy leg workout yesterday with no problem.
Try spotinjections.com. This will help with where to inject.
Virgin muscle will almost always give you pip. You're causing trauma every time you inject. Keeping a steady has helps. Ventro-glutes are pretty safe, easy and relatively pip free. I wouldn't use anything but a 25 g needle. 23 is ok for one cycle, but you'll cause scar tissue over time.
It sounds like what you're experiencing is pretty normal. Obviously follow injection protocol thoroughly and be sure to check on any worsening pain, redness or itchiness.
I found quads to be pretty easy and really not very painful, there are a few good videos on YouTube to help you find the sweet spot. I experienced similar pip with my first injections but by the time I'd rotated my sites twice I no longer got any pip. Could be my technique got better but I think more likely my virgin muscles just got used to it.
Definitely take heed of PCT advice, and I'm guessing if you haven't nailed that part down then you haven't thought about bloods, which you really should.
I've heard of people getting blood tests, but I'm not sure where I'd go to have that done. That was another question on my list for this forum, I just didn't want to pepper everyone with multiple questions.
I guess it depends on where you're based, I know nothing of blood tests in the states. I've used these guys here in the U.K. https://www.medichecks.com
But I'm soon to be using these guys
Bloodhoundonline.co.uk
Because they've been recommended to me and here is that list of tests that the recommender(?) gave me to get
http://www.bloodhoundonline.co.uk/athletes and then select the following tests:
Biochemistry and Full Blood Count
Testosterone 1
LH
FSH
Estrodial
SHBG
If you're uk based, check them out
I'd mention here that every self test with the pin-pricks were hopeless and would recommend going to one of their centres.
Also, there is shitloads of info on this forum, read all the stickies in the steroid cycle forum and do some homework. You shouldn't have started without reading all this stuff.
That being said, good luck dude, stay safe, enjoy your cycle
Thanks for the info, I'm starting to find places here to do testing, including some that offer a specific anabolic profile, but it's pretty pricey. I've been reading on this for the last two months, but there is always different information everywhere you go, and no official place to verify what you read. That's why I have so much stuff on-hand, I didn't want to be caught needing something I didn't have. That being said, I was hoping to keep my first cycle as simple as possible.
Also, how the hell does someone fast for 12 hours before their test when they're on cycle? That sounds impossible...
No need to fast unless you are testing for glucose levels.
Testrogen_PropC...The PIP is normal at the beginning of a cycle. Every time I change brands of oils I get the same PIP you just described. Your muscles will get more used to it over time if you keep shooting the same oil. Remember to rotate injection sites.
Also your pct sucks. You need to take Clomid 100/100/50/50 and nolvadex 40/40/20/20. The HCG is up to you
unreal89Wheres your aromatase inhibitor at??
Sorry, I do have a couple of bottles of Anastrozole on hand, as well. Hoping I won't need them.
virgin muscle and pinning technique has a lot to do with it, inject slowly and don't try to push gear in so fast.
I was attempting to go slow, but he awkward position, and poor nerve control made it difficult. If I had to guess, I pinned 1ml in about 15 seconds. Too fast?
i'd say it was more like the awkward position, when i inject glutes i'm always shaky, hard to reach my little ass lol. More u move the needle the worse off u are, i know it can be difficult to hit ur own glute sometimes. the more u inject the better ur technique gets. this is just my 2 cents bro
I'm probably gonna have to avoid that glute for a bit. It's tough enough to talk myself into pinning a healthy muscle, let alone a hurt one. Ever pinned a quad?
yes i mostly noun quads due to it being hard to inject my glute. it's very important to rotate injection sites. i rotate when i'm doing more frequent injections. if i do test only and only inject twice a week i do quads only. what gauge needle are u using
I'm using a 1" 23 gauge needle.
all different options and preferences on her but i use a 25gx1" and it seems to work better for me if i'm shaky or moving. i draw with an 18g and put a 25g pin on, little slower injecting but it's not a race anyways.
Yeah, I definitely noticed that drawing with a 23 was a bitch. I have to order some more pins for my peptides soon, I'll probably pick up some 18's at that point. Glad to know I'm not the only one who stares at a needle with dread!
RustyhookerI would NEVER draw with an 18. It breaks the stopper then you got rubber floaters.
Do some reading
i have read, do read and i use the same hole in the stopper, i don't blindly start stabbing away at the stopper. never had floaters ever, however i see your point, being i'm low on the eroids totem poll doesn't make me stupid
RustyhookerYou're foolish is the problem. You think microbes can't enter with big holes?
Totem poles b.s. ain't stopping a great infection and drain. Smh....