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Wondering if anyone has any advice on this. I’m a high aromatiser and was going to run 375 of sustanon with 750 of NPP. I’ve done a lot of research and a bunch of people say nandrolone needs to be equal to or lower than test to avoid sexual dysfunction but none of them had actually tried it. The couple people that shared their own experiences said they had no issues. If running maintenance or above dose of test shouldn’t that be enough or does nandrolone actually cause some kind of neutralizing effect on testosterone. Anyone actually have a bad experience trying this?
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I done this and it was a great cycle, just make sure you have caber. Ran hardly any adex but ran 0.5 caber twice a well and sex drives was through the roof
we are all differnt. , i know ppl that run high npp low test , even high deca low test. .
you have to know yourself and how your going to react . your at least on npp. , and sust. so you should be able to adjust quickly , if needed , .
im sure alot of ppl had a bad experience , and alot had a good. , like i said its how you react. good luck
For me personally, if I am going to run a high level of test alongside nandralone, I run test prop/npp ad a high test-e/c + deca stack would bloat me so bad that blood pressure would go through the roof. I have also done a low test high deca cycle and bloat/BP was tolerable and it still made for a great bulkier. I agree that shorter esters are the way to go if you have any uncertainty as to how you will react as we are all different
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If you have high aromatiser still better than high prolactin bro . And both you can solve it with adex and caber . There is no need to use higher , just use the right rate and keep adex and caber in hand .
When do I know if I need a DA? I ran tren without one and the only side effects I had were a little insomnia and according to my wife a case of the “your a big giant itchy asshole”
the rule of thumb for the most part is keep your e2 in check , and generally a da is not needed (ALWAYS HAVE IT THO ) i made that mistake as a rookie with deca.
honestly. if your wondering when you need the da. , im asking please go do alot more research. before running this. , look at cycle logs , and ppls logs.
research , research. im always sti researching.
I understand prolactin induced gyno and sexual dysfunction but are there any warning signs or do I just treat if these issues arise. I would like to prevent rather than treat
sorry i thought you were running deca. , but npp is decas little sister , i would still take my time#and learn yourself and signs. before jumping in. thankyou
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i can only speak from my own night mare , i was a rooky. i done a tonnof time. and i mean over 20. and i lifted 20 natty. ,, even when i got out i was natty till i met a ex inmate not con a con is through. , (you had to do time to know differnce. )
anyway. he hd juice so i ran anadrol , yes anadrol alone of course i blew up#and lost it. , then dbol. same result. , then he had test so i ran that. (EVERYTHING I DID WAS SO SO WRONG BUT I DIDNT KNOW ). then i ordered from a source , i saved 110% in money he set me up with test. , anadrol and deca. , no mention of a ai, never mind a da. , and needless to say ,, I WAS FUCKED. , the warning were there but i dodnt know them. i do now. breaking out , i was getting lack of energy. , sex drive started to dwindle away. , to the point of no desire and i believe then the prolactin was kicking in. .... i had no desire and i use to go to my man cave put on porn because i was married. and a gorgous latin. and try to get myself aroused. , and if i did. my dick didnt work. i couldnt get hard. i almost got a divorce till#i explained.
YATHZEE, i found the sites. I CRAWLED INTO THEM. , #but doing all that time#i didnt know the internet. , i didnt know how to use a phone (smart) or a computor. but. i shut my mouth got grinded ,up. took it. and. never stopped researching and learning. , so yes theres alot of signs. that your e2 is getting out of whack.
this#is why it is HIGHLY RECOMMENED. RUN TEST. , learn your e2 signs. and ask questions if you dont know start a cycle log. , and forum.
then if you c9ntrol e2. chances are prolactin wont kick#in. but i have seen exceptions to the rule. , i suggest honestly letting the deca alone. ...
bro i had such depression honestly. , it was the worst feeling. , theres no rush. learn your signs.
this a long answer but i felt it was necessary. to show where i came from. and if your not sure please put deca on hold
Hashtag1981Edit your location in post down below brother.
I’ve heard running winstrol with NPP can help reduce water retention block shbg increase strength. Could I run low dose like 25 for 10 weeks or should I keep it to six regardless of dose. Or not use it at all for this cycle. I’m looking to do a leanish bulk.
As rusty said mostly want to do low carbs. It also depends on your goals. Are you gaining cuttiing ect. I personally like to run my test higher than my 19 note but that's just me.
RustyhookerWater can be controlled by foods and vitamin c. Running a nor like deca/npp high.... no idea what retention will be like but wouldnt run winny long. It trashes cholesterol as well
Ok thanks
RustyhookerVit C 1000mg a day is a start. Am pm dosing 500mg each. Some guys go up a ton higher. Tgeres forums all over on foods that help as well
Everybody is different brother & some will do better with certain number than others. The reasoning behind people suggesting lower test is due to the fact that Deca or Npp fight for the receptors which can leave some extra test not bound to the receptors. If it doesn’t bind, it can cause higher e2 problems. So the theory is this, it can be a waste of Test if it’s too high. In reality though, I know some who aware they have to run it equal or test a bit higher. In my case, I have run it both ways & lower test works better for me. Make sure to stay on top of bloods to know for sure what going on brother & you can adjust an AI of DA or the Test if need be.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/dominant-receptor-bind...
Ive done it recently, twice the npp and no test
And then afterwards with trt level of test e (slightly lower than your dose) and the npp
I changed to deca because npp is weak sauce
Anyways, you will have enough test in there to create enough estrogen and dht so that your erec functions will work and plenty of androgens to make you a horndog
I would recommend keeping a dht on hand
I would also recoend deca over npp
I would also recommend lowering the test dose just a smidge and upping the nandrolone a smidge
You wont need an ai or da if you have the test at a try level dose that would not require an ai.
Hashtag1981Why is it weak sauce?
See below fella
Hashtag1981I see
Can you clarify this statement? I’m just wondering why you believe this to be true.
Sure, i know to be true from both research and testing it out.
Less anabolism despite being more swiftly metabolised and giving a swifter shutdown and reboot of the hpga (npp versus deca that is). If you check the pharmaco's of nandrolone it will confirm this but in reality/in use by you or I, the difference on a solo cycle is quite big. Less pump/libido/strength/agression/growth (or weight shift rather, as i didnt do dexa or anything, just scales/mirror/calipers). Dont get me wrong, its still there, just noticably weaker.
I wasn’t necessarily doubting it. I prefer long esters over short any time it’s available to me. This seems to back up irongame427’s post wherein he posts studies showing more nitrogen retention and greater anabolism with long ester steroids vs short. I’ll link it here; it’s a very informative post
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/test-is-not-t...
Yeahp, thats a very strong post. Right on the money.
There is a big difference between test and other aromatisable esterified steroids, as suspected by irongame. Deca for e.g. allegedly aromatises at 20% the rate of testo. Therefore, simple maths may lead you to believe that 5x a trt test dose should see you aromatise enough estro (say 5x 200mg at the upper end =1g deca), but it just isn't the case in reality. I can tell you that even at 2g deca it doesn't generate enough to prevent a crash.
Sorry, I digress... Im on a bit of a rampage with this stuff at the mo.
Hello Sir,
Only thing I would suggest with this is to have a Prolactin agonist to hand as more likely your Prolactin hormone level may go above reference range and side effects will occur. To monitor this the blood work needs to be done 3-4 weeks in to your cycle to adjust the dosage. Obviously, as you mentioned yourself, alongside Prolactin levels also Estaradiol levels need to be monitored and AI adjusted accordingly.Hope this helps Sir.
Regards
Running test higher than everything else is very new school. I like the thinking behind the old school approach of keeping test on the low side and letting the other compounds do their thing with as little aromatization as possible. I’ve only done so with trenbolone, but I can confirm the sides are considerably less harsh with lower test than with higher. But it’s individual. Some guys swear by it, others can’t get away with it. It’s such a cop out answer but it’s true.
Honestly, I was planning on doing test and deca over the winter starting around November. 200 mgs cyp, 600 mgs deca. That’ll be my first try with running nandrolone higher than test. I’ll just have to see how the 1:3 ratio works for me.
This post does not constitute advice, merely my thoughts and experiences. I don’t know your priors and I don’t give out cycles, as I’m not qualified to.
People saying that your testosterone needs to be ran equal level or higher to avoid sexual problems is only getting their information from Bro science and not real science.
If people are on TRT in between 100-200mg of testosterone then why would you think you need more than that to avoid a problem? The answer is simple, they're avoiding the acknowledgement of the fact that they are having a prolactin issue. We all know that prolactin will give you erectile dysfunction. So yes if you run a ridiculously high dosage of testosterone you will of course have a better sex drive. But that is not fixing the fact that you're having a productive issue.... it is just masking it or covering it so you don't know that it's there. So the answer to your question is yes and no. If you run high testosterone it will more than likely help you avoid sexual problem. But is that fixing the fact that you have high prolactin? No it's not. You still need to deal with your prolactin problem. Whether you run 100 mg of testosterone or you run 1000 mg of testosterone, neither one is blocking your Polactin issue.
If you put a Band-Aid over a gun shot it may look better, but it's not actually correcting the real issue.
RustyhookerCrashed prolactin also causes erectile dysfuntion. But without bloods its all guesses.
I still havent seen bloods from anyone doing the high deca. That type of info would be very informative along with step by step of full cycle, gains, losses, pix....basically teaching us
So when the time comes do I start a thread and do weekly updates or do I wait till the cycle is over and then post it all at once. My plan is to be completely transparent including if I cheat on my diet or skip a training day. I’m going to work hard but I often wonder if people are brutally honest about those things
RustyhookerTraditionally, cycle logs is the easiest to post and then update. Not sure you need weekly unless big changes hit. Maybe every 2 or 3. Guys in your area drive a state over for bloods. Theres forums on your area. Get a start pic and finish pic as it can be helpful. Mainly just seeing how well you do, issues, changes etc. Ive run tren high of course but not many doing deca npp high. Will be interesting!
I plan on logging my cycle. Unfortunately I live in NY state and can’t get bloods without a Dr order. I’ll try to keep track of measurements and post everything. Looking to start next month
Me to man I'm curious how it goes as well
RustyhookerSounds good! Will watch for your report
Hate to cuss like this but I was reading a deal from Tony huge about running nandrolone cycles with no test
Currently running 700npp and 250 test. All is great! Been a really great cycle for me so far. I don’t do well on high test at all, took me a long time to realize that.
That's the way to do it bro......less sides and actually enjoying your cycle is important for maximum goals
Spread the word boys
Lol!
How you doing bid fella?
Few months now Kibby. Big npp then switched to bigger deca getting bloods soon to check levels, shed some light on prolactin etc
Ill never go back to high test... never!
× 10 mate I'll never go over 200mg of test again....it's seems to cause me more problems than its worth lately.
Looking forward to blood mate will be very interesting to see what's what ;)
I like what rusty said I would for sure be intrested!
Definitely mate!
We need bloods from start to finish (but from a few members) as we need more than one set of bloods to see how each individual reacts.
RustyhookerYou should really create a step by step forum. Its an against the grain approach so a teaching forum would be excellent. Bloods, approach, any deca dick etc etc.
Honestly rusty my next cycle was going to be low test Primo but I've decided to go low test high deca and put this theory through its paces..
I'm going to get my pre bloods on Monday/Tuesday and will start from there at 200mg test cyp per week and 500mg deca per week and get bloods done 6 weeks in.
Hopefully this will give the cycle enough time to present itself and we can take things from there
RustyhookerExcellent approach! Youre a good dude here and i know your info will be top notch.
Im going to stock up primo. Try to go easier on body chemistry.
Cheers rusty thanks man
+2 for running smart dosages
I just ran Test 315mg and Tren 700mg with zero sides. My next bulk cycle will be test 150-250 and 700npp
Hashtag1981why lower the test?
RustyhookerDo you run npp high often? Any bloods etc?