posted Sat, 11/18/2017 - 21:59
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+ 1 Remain fertile on trt
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My total came back at 311 and free at 8.5. If my doc will give me trt is there anything I can do to remain fertile. My wife and I are trying to have a baby. Do I need to just wait for trt? I’m getting fat and lazy with these levels it sucks. Any advice?
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Area-1255Looks like the question has become redundant. Congrats brother! For future reference, anyone reading this. Generally HCG + SERMs can maintain fertility if started early enough or used properly and for long-enough duration. However, that time window can be narrow and then genetics and such come into play.
Nutrition of course is a big one too.
Once the regimen and a strict diet is employed.
Mission accomplished!!! She took two tests last night both positive.
(Damn double reply. Ugh. Congrats again!)
Shit just got real, brother! CONGRATS! When that baby is born, your current identity is over. "Remember why you lift." The world needs your strength. Your family needs the healthiest version of you possible. It's worth it, more than my limited vocabulary can convey to you. Soak it all in, brother. Kids are the coolest thing in the world. Total pain in the ass, but the best high you'll ever experience. All the best. +1 for your upcoming sleepless nights. They're awful, but that baby is worth everything in your world, I promise.
Thanks man. We both brought kids into the marriage but my son is almost 7 so it’s been a long time since I’ve done the baby thing. I’m very excited and happy that we didn’t have trouble conceiving. Thanks again for the support
Ah, then you know this roller coaster all too well. VERY COOL. +1 again, simply cuz you have a kick ass attitude and your positivity has made me damn happy as I type this! (That's not just the copious amount of caffeine coursing through my system that's saying that! Although coffee is extra delicious today, not gonna lie.)
I've always heard from old timers, "go on as many vacations as you can, and have as many kids as you can." (Granted, I'm surrounded by Mexicans & Greeks on both sides of my family, none of which are afraid to procreate... good Lord.)
Very sincerely, CONGRATS!
Again, your loved ones need your strength. Get your lifts in. You're a man. You can do this. You're not alone. Cheers indeed!!!! KIDS ARE AWESOME.
Damn reading your exchanges with the OP made me smile and I’m on my commute home which is always horrible and I almost always never smile during this time. I’m going *2 you both for that!
Congratulations!!!!
GET IN THERE MATE!!!!!
Over the fucking moon for you both
look at the hcg discussion under my forums you will find some other members there who can relate
I did look here. Great thread thank you. I feel better about going to talk to the doc about HCG
Ok so if I get the run around from the doc and decide to do this independently what dose of cyp would you guys recommend and should I start hcg right away or can I start later if needed.
Nice try, noone will cosign self trt. If you are saying the lab "changed ranges" that sounds suspect. There is reference range. What was your E2? The question you asked was definitely for your doctor. If that's your pic in your avatar it certainly does not look you suffer from low test.
In fairness the labs and medical profession did change/lower the reference ranges in Jan of his year. I know this because I am currently going though an endocrinological assessment for low T. I’m at 300 Total Test and borderline low free test with low LH, FSH and estro. Waiting on semen analysis. I’ve got pretty bad symptoms though and also desire to have a baby so it’s complicated. Next endo appointment on 6 December so let’s see what the next steps are.
When was your last cycle? Also your age is different from the op and your cycle history. It could be not enough time has passed for you to have fully recovered. In hindsight a friend of mine came back at 290 total test and does not want to trt, he is not having any "symptoms" of low T. I honestly believe that most of it is placebo. Not all but most. When I was at 250 i gained weight, lost a little libido and was drinking heavily. But I still functioned fine and had no problems getting out of bed or living. Thats why when those commercials came out everyone had symptoms of low t, shit my wife has symptoms and she is a woman if you follow what they say.
Oh no doubt mate very different circumstances than the OP. It’s been 9 months since my last cycle. PCT went very well. Labs came back fine after and was at my baseline of 600. I’ve been cycling for years and have always done so responsibly. Always PCT’d, always taker proper time off, always done my bloodwork etc. Missus and I decided we want kids hence me coming of and staying off.
I started to feel progressively worse and worse the last few months. Symptoms of poor mood (not depressed but just extremely grumpy and bad temprered) at home and at work, low energy, weight gain around my stomach, significant drop in strength in the gym, zero libido (i.e. no interest in sex) and sometime problems with an erection when I did manage to get interested. So here I am. I know how I am meant to feel and this is not right.
We still want to have the baby so I’m waiting for the results of my semen analysis and then further discussions with the endo to figure out the right treatment option.
Good luck, hope you can still get her knocked up.
Thanks brother.
I’m 33, couldn’t find where the age discrepancy is. I’m 8 weeks out now was ten for my first test. I’ve done 3 cycles. First was 500 test for 12 second was 500 test for 14 with dbol 30 for 4 and tren at 325 for the last 8 ( I know way to soon and my wife said no more cuz I’m a dick on it). This last cycle was 14 weeks of test at 625 with 50 of windy for the last 5. My pct was 500 daily hcg 4-14 days post last shot. Weeks 2-4 50 of clomid 40 nolvadex. Week 5 25 clomid 20 nolva. Week 6 20 nolva. 6g DAA weeks 5-now
It does take time for your hpta to kick back in for some people, research more here on some people that it took a few months after PCT for their numbers to become normal again. You are still in the PCT window to get your levels back. I am an advocate for TRT if it warrants it as I am on it myself. I am not an advocate of how everyone thinks they have low t or issues without even looking at any other factors. You are going to get answers here for and against but you are on an aas site, its like going to a mustang forum and asking them if you should buy a camaro. Research trt forums, not going to aas sites.
I’m new to using any forums. Is there a way to post my labs? In March I tested at 273 and at that time it had a reference range from 353-1150. I just tested the other day and was 311 and now the range is 264 916. My original value of 273 still has the (L) next to it even though it is in the new range. Not sure about E2 he never tested it.
If you first tested low then another test came back like it did higher you wont be put on trt and you should hope you dont have to. You may want to look at other things in your life that could be affecting your levels like stress, diet, sleep, work.
Why do you advise against trt. 311 is pretty low and I’m symptomatic. I’ve heard a lot of guys advise against PCT saying that if you are considering using aas it’s wise to consider blasting and cruising to avoid the lows.
Yes its low, but not low enough. Do you think being on trt is a get out of jail and cycle your ass off card? You are under 35 so there is something else going on that is causing you to have signs of low t. Your levels raised by almost 100 points from your last test so right there tells me you dont need it and so does your doctor. You need to find anything you can before this road. BUT based on your answers you are just waiting for a cosigner so do whatever you want, you will anyways.
No I’m honestly looking for a little guidance that’s why I’m asking. I have heard opinions that differ from yours so I was just looking to get an explanation of why you feel the way you do about trt. From the little I have read there is no increased risk of trt vs pct. I know it’s a life long decision but the only drawback that I have understood so far is the fertility issue. I do have 3 kids (1 biological) and we want another so that’s my only concern unless someone has some more insight. I probably jumped the gun a little on posting this because I just got the results this weekend and haven’t even gone over then with the physician but I’m a little anxious about the outcome. I am honestly looking for any constructive criticism and advice that’s why I decided to get on the forum.
Both of my children were conceived while on cycle. There 15 years apart. That’s a myth.
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Congrats mate
Thank you. Congrats to you too!
It depends on the person. I just got my fiance pregnant 7 weeks into my test and deca cycle
Congrats brother , Same here and on a heavy cycle 5 years ago , best thing that ever happened to me , I was going a very dark path with drugs and alcohol , my little boy literally saved my life
Congratulations. +
ClassyChassisTalk to your doctor but thankfully we have two very valuable compounds, hCG (Human Chorionic Gonadrotropin) and hMG (Human Menopausal Gonadotropin). hCG is a hormone typically produced by the embryo following implantation (all pregnancy tests test for the presence of hCG in the female subjects urine). In males, the importance of hCG comes with its ability to mimic LH. Injecting hCG is the equivalent of the pituitary releasing LH and giving the gonads the signal to produce testosterone. The gonads go back to work, keeping your system from shutting down completely. Though hCG has no effect on FSH, it does have an effect on spermatogenesis. Though your system is shut down there is FSH lingering around in the body. Studies have shown that there is usually more than enough FSH in the body to cause a rise in a males sperm count enough to conceive. A dose of 250 iu 3x/wk is pretty common.
If the desired response from hCG is not met, the use of hMG is a more practical approach. hMG kicks both LH and FSH into gear and causes a considerable rise in sperm production. Recall that the production of sperm takes up to 3 months to complete so the use of these medications have to be sustained for at least 3 months to start to see the real benefit from them.
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I've seen some of your posts and you have a wealth of knowledge. Maybe you could create a forum about this. +2
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We need more posts from him
ClassyChassisI appreciate the vote of confidence guys and I try to contribute as the occasion rises. But I'm pretty sure most of what I know is already on here somewhere. I realize its hard to look for something if you don't know what it is. But by the same token it's difficult for me to know what someone needs to know until they ask.
This post should be a sticky if it isn't already , I didn't know much about HCG or HMG until I read this .
Cool thanks. I’m hoping he’s willing to help me out. The lab I went through recently changed there reference values so my total is “in range”. Free test is still low
I was on cycle with no hcg or anything and got my wife pregnant