'Healthy' Options?
Hi, new to the forums. Apologies for my ignorance hence any advice will be helpful.
My background - 46 years old. Mix of weight training and cardio for the last two years at least 4 times a week. Taking the usual supplements and sticking to a good diet. I've never chased the 'bulging biceps' image just trying to keep fit and healthy, but just before Xmas I met an old friend who is built like an outhouse. He's using a mix of this, that and the other to achieve this.
My goal - To bulk out but not to 'bulging' size. Just enough to look 'built'.
My health dilemma - I've had some problems in the past with my liver and kidneys (hence starting the fitness regime two years ago). They are delicate to say the least. On top of that, I have a real fear of needles. So bad that I can't even watch someone being injected on the telly.
My confusion - having looked at all the information on the net about steroids, I am now truly confused as to what I can take safely oral wise.
My 'solution' - The safest product I think I can use is Anavar. I have purchased 200 x 10mg Anavar and want to start at 2 x 20mg a day but will this help at achieving what I desire on its own? Or can you recommend something else in tablet or powder form that safe for me to take along side or after using Anavar to achieve good results?
Thank you for any advice.
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It's cool no worries I expected worse I just don't agree with most of the argument. First off 100-200mg of a compound orally really isn't a "shitload" not when it's not 17α-methylated. Secondly there is not that much difference to your liver whether you eat a steroid or inject it, if it's liver toxic it will be liver toxic whether it goes straight to your liver or makes a round through your body first. It's like saying winstrol depot is somehow different than taking it pill form, well it just isn't, it's the same stuff just in suspension. Your liver values will rise either way. Lastly the fact that they are "meant" to be injected under the skin isn't an argument at all, they are pressed with methyl cellulose into pellets, that's all they have in them. methyl cellulose is in all kinds of stuff it's essentially inert in your body. If I was gonna make an argument against Tren it would be because the sides suck ass but then it's powerful stuff which is why even if you only get 10% of what you swallow into your system it will still work.
JonBThanks for the replies. Undecided now. :-(
I was in your situation a few years ago. I saw anavar and orals only as the only solution.
The simple answer is: FACE YOUR FEAR.
It's just an image. Your brain has been trained to fear the image, and the small amount of discomfort associated with it. But really, is it that big a deal?
I am speaking from experience. I went from afraid, and I just started looking at imagines and videos of pinning, then I realized, what was I so paranoid about?
Now, I can watch the needle in my body, put it in, no problem. Yeah, I don't really love the hell out of it, but it isn't a big deal to me any more. I can't believe that it really ever was, but it sure as hell was for a long time!
I equate it to some girl you felt your really LOVED in the past, who you are no longer with. Are you still sitting there there saying, "damn, I love her!", or do you love who you are with, and think, why the hell was I ever so in love with her? Something like that.
Of course, being a guy, it was probably actually lust, but it was real enough all the same.
You can do it bro! Do it right!
ok I'm going to make an unconventional suggestion that will get me flamed for sure but I'm going to do it anyways. In a pinch in the past (early on when I couldn't get any real gear) I made some surprisingly good gains on 6 weeks of oral tren (about 12 pounds). I bought the fina pellets crushed them up and then put them in capsules I bought at GNC. Since it isn't made to be an oral most of it will get taken out by your liver on the first pass but it WILL work and it won't be hard on your liver like normal orals. I would take 40mg (2 pellets crushed) 4 times a day with grapefruit juice and it worked like a charm... though like any tren cycle you will be cranky and you will need to make sure you do your pct.
So thats my unconventional suggestion for a guy who can't do orals and won't pin.
Let the flames begin.
Why isn't anyone recommending Clen? It's an oral, it doesn't interact with the liver and kidneys (does it? we barely talk about Clen around here), will help him lose fat, thus making him look better and has a slight anabolic effect that doesn't compromise the hormonal axis like running Anavar would.
The other option: man up and pin some test like everyone else is doing, just be extra-careful and get tested regularly.
sounds like propper nutrition and hard training is what you should stick with bro tbh
dont want to recomend orals to somone with comprimised liver/kidney function.. and if your afraid of needles the traditional testosterone cycle if out of the question.
anavar by its self isnt worth the money you are going to be spending running it without a testosterone base. you need high doses to see results that are worth while, and with your liver thats not something i would recommend. low doses of var alone generaly leave people dissapointed.
you probably dont want this anaswer but good diet and training are the best advice anyone could give you.
JonBYeap, needles are now deffo out the window!! Ha! And I should have added more to my initial comments above. My liver function test was done in 2006 and I was advised due to my weight that I needed to radically alter my lifestyle. I was touching 19 stone (266 pounds)! I had the usual other tests done for an 'obese' patient (diabetes, cholesterol) and the doc wasn't happy with my kidney results. Through 2007 and into 2008 I followed a diet, lost weight and had more tests done and the doc was and is happy with the results. It was only 2010 when I was down to just under 15 stone (205lbs) that I started cardio mixed with weight training.
I have an appointment next month for a checkup which will include the usual blood tests, but I would assume that my liver and kidney function are okay hence my reasons for choosing Anavar (although this will be confirmed with these tests). I would like to say that I would like to try injectables, but it is absoulty a no-no. The funny thing is, I occassionally box in the gym. At least once a month I get smacked around the ring and end up with a bloodly nose or mouth but walk away smiling. Put the opponent in the ring with a needle, and I'd run the other way...!
I'm trying to ease the poor bastard into this and you want to tie him up , scare him to death, and pin his ass with a 16ga needle.....Nice.
JonBif my levels are low, any recommdations for a suitable TRT product, either mouth/skin patch or gel?
Anonsorry KMC... I am sending him to the doctor.. armed... first off Orals alone are a huge no no AND with your preexisting Liver issues a big fat huge NO NO...
Get tested and get on a clean diet, you'll find some real good ideas and food lists written up by sgtstedanko.. in the weight loss/gain and nutrition sections..
Testim is a pretty decent gel but you'll want to get your doc to get you on at least two tubes a day and then save the empties because you'll want to add those to the daily regime when you get to the point where .. you are starting to feel not so good again.. diet and training will go a long way to getting you where you want to be even without the gear.
Get tested first,....then we'll talk.
I would stay from any orals and i also agree with what kmc said get your test checked.
Most orals will be hard on your liver. At your age, get your blood serum Testosterone levels checked, you may be a TRT candidate.