posted Tue, 05/22/2018 - 09:15
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Equipoise and Deca ONLY cycle
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So I was considering a cycle of around 1 gram EQ and 600mg Deca. Do you guys think this will work out ok? I'm on TRT so no PCT ever. I want to take a break from test but I'm not done blasting. I just feel that my test only cycle kind of petered out. Not getting the big pumps, strength increases and libido. I've been running Test cyp at 1g for about 10 weeks now. I'm wondering if maybe my body jacked up its production of SHBG to try to maintain homeostasis. I don't even need to take my AI very often any more. Any ideas what's going on?
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That’s a recipie for panic attack’s and anxiety, let alone turning your blood into molasses. Not sure what you’re trying to accomplish here, but it sure doesn’t seem to be working so far.
Get bloods done ASAP and get back on your trt dose and stay there for a while and see if you can get back to normal. Not sure how old you are, but this is. It good for your health, especially anyone over 40. Good luck.
BTW, I've had social anxiety issues for most of my life. I've ran EQ before but I can't remember if it had an effect on this problem.
My thinking is that switching to the EQ and Deca will give my body a break from the test and give me some new gains. I'm normally on TRT but I'm blasting for mass. I will get some bloods done. Honestly, I don't want to stop this train. I want to keep gaining as much as I can in as short a timespan as I can. I believe this will help me in my life right now. Health is definitely a concern, though. I just turned 42.
Why are you chasing some teenage dream??? You’re a 42 year old man and your body drastically changes in your forties. No one wants to see some middle aged man juiced to the gills, trying to be the biggest guy in the gym, so a bunch of teens will ask you questions.
It’s time to accept your age and get off this destructive train you’re on. Life is actually better when you aren’t beating your body up with the heaviest weights and the most drugs. I feel great and look great and I’m 50 this year. I’m only on a real trt dose, I eat well, lift reasonable weights, with high reps and do cardio, core work and stretching. Again, I look and fell better than I did in my 30’s and people like and respect the way I look.
I really hope you reevaluate your path before it’s too late. There is a different and better path to follow chief. Best of luck.
That all sounds reasonable as general advice given to a theoretical average person. But don't presume to know me and my life situation. This cycle has already had a significant positive effect on my life. It's pulled me out of a bad place.
So I’m the “average person”?
I don’t see hardly anyone my age that look like me. I also don’t see many middle aged men doing what you’re doing either. So, I’m not sure what you’re taking about.
You came here asking for advice and you’ve been given solid and sincere advice, but you turn you’re nose up at it, because it’s not what you want to hear. You’re free to do as you please, but don’t ask if you’re not willing to hear what’s being said.
You’ve got your mind made up here, so I wish you luck...
You sound like you are in great shape and have things in order. That's awesome.
I'm only interested in cycle advice, not judgement by other sinners. This is the last time I open up and be honest here.
I'd wish you luck but it doesn't sound like you need it.
You need to take a break from all androgens, not just test. Your body is burned out and trying to tell you something....it is hopeless trying to fight it.. sacrificing health for little in return.
Second.
I hear you. But what about the Pros who hit it hardcore year after year with no breaks? How do they keep gaining so much mass?
It is very flawed thinking to try and emulate the pros. These guys are genetic freaks of nature and trying to do what they do is a recipe for disaster. We would all be pros if all we had to do was follow what they are doing, but it is clear that it doesn't work that way.
I'd pull labs for sure. 1G of test is more than enough to increase strength,libido,and pumps in the gym for sure. Is your test UGL or Dr. RX'd?? Some cats can look at a bottle of test and require and A.I..others can run it at much higher dosages and not encounter the estro side effects to any significant degree. If your test is UGL its a very good chance it's under dosed,that could be a big reason why you're not getting desired results. I've been on TRT 5 years now,and only blast in the summer. My dosages are very mild to say the least..500-600mg test for the first 4 years,this year i'm adding in 600mg EQ. TRT wise i run 150-200mg of test/week...when i started my blast on may 1st i could feel the effects within 2 weeks. Skin got more oily,felt a bit hotter,metabolism increasing,strength going up,recovery/endurance,and libido. That's at 600mg/week. So for sure man at 1G you should be feeling something. I would NOT run EQ/Deca together without a test base,and i wouldn't touch anything until you pull labs. If you really want to run the eq/deca i would keep it mild to moderate with a test base. My ideal in that situation would be 400mg test, 400mg eq,200-300 mg deca. You would grow nicely off that,get good joint support,and likely wouldn't blow up like a balloon seeing as estro is kept at bay and are not sensitive to progesterone/prolactin issues. Def get your blood pulled and see whats going on. Best of luck and keep us posted.
I'm getting a regular blood panel this week. But I gotta pay extra for the test/estrogen one, which I will. Don't want the doc to know I'm on gear. The test is all UGL. I'm normally fairly sensitive to estrogen. It could be underdosed. It's not the best brands. I started off with only 800mg a week and felt it kick in at week four but noticed it dwindle since then. But my skin is more oily and, like you, I am running hotter. But pump and strength are subpar compared to earlier on. Thanks for the cycle suggestion. That sounds doable.
Well said man..+1 you're out the negative bro
Damn man, you don't play with the doses. You don't feel much on a gram of test? I have no idea how advanced you are but maybe the problem is not the gear but rather training/diet. But like the guys before me suggested, start with the bloods, you must be holding a lot of water with that dose and no ai, not enough info to help you properly though.
As far as gram of EQ and 600 Deca only - forget about getting laid for quite a while and hope you don't have any anxiety issues.
This reminds me of the enhanced athlete guy...wonder what ever happened to them.
Also maybe try proviron, heard that can be great with running longer test cycles.
Who's this enhanced athlete guy? I'm curious.
Well it’s prob because your estro is high.. and your supposed idea of a Equipoise and Decca only cycle is absolutely crazy..
What's wrong with an EQ and Deca only cycle? My theory is that at the large 1g dose of EQ, it would aromatize to enough estrogen to prevent a decline in libido.
Tried that. After about 6 wks or so test definitely had to be added back into cycle. Wouldn't suggest trying it out.
Libido dropped off significantly and started to feel really run down and lethargic. Gains were still coming but was getting an overall "yucky" feeling. I like feeling good during a cycle and adding test back in helped everything out and made it a more enjoyable cycle.
What happened Makwa? Why did you need to add the test?
They both suppress your natural testosterone production. So if you want to have a limp dick and horrible sides with no gaines then . Please be my guest
But I have zero natural test production and I never will again, due to the TRT.
Hmm. Maybe. I was thinking it was too low. No bloat or nipple sensitivity. Have you experienced a decrease in effects from having too much estro in your system?
Agreed...I don't see how a gram of test= no AI either.. I'd pull blood and see what's up
Maybe if he gets the EQ and DECA from the same source he got the bunk test from he wont get any sides with that either.