posted Tue, 05/22/2018 - 18:15
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Equipoise and Deca ONLY cycle
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So I was considering a cycle of around 1 gram EQ and 600mg Deca. Do you guys think this will work out ok? I'm on TRT so no PCT ever. I want to take a break from test but I'm not done blasting. I just feel that my test only cycle kind of petered out. Not getting the big pumps, strength increases and libido. I've been running Test cyp at 1g for about 10 weeks now. I'm wondering if maybe my body jacked up its production of SHBG to try to maintain homeostasis. I don't even need to take my AI very often any more. Any ideas what's going on?
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Bad idea!
TricepatopsWow
I can tell you straight up; no. I can tell you this from research and then testing it myself - the results which I am past due to type up (see my 2 posts on test versus 19nor versus prolactin).
But, if you continue to take a minimum amount of testo needed to create estrogen, then you have a cycle, of sorts.
Without test, after 5 weeks, your body will be practically devoid of estrogen (depending on what point your estro levels start from). Physically you will be in pain. Mentally you will become depressed and if you continue too far, suicidal.
But, if you continue to take testosterone or a testosterone producing product like HCG (needs careful measurement and control of prolactin from the estrogens HCG creates), then you have a cycle, of sorts.
I can confirm from experience that a DECA only cycle can make you depressed and suicidal.
I can more than imagine, Deca can be a strange feeling compound especially with low test. With zero test it must be hell.
It's not it's OK, run deca solo at 900 MG per week, until week 8-9 I was like a god lol, then I got something like brain fog, my estro was totally crashed I believe, took a couple of dbol for 5-6 days and problem solved!!
No way bro - I will leave that one for you Lmao I'm not even tempted to try it. I know at points where my prop is low and fizzled out, or I have had some bad prop but the NPP is medium level because of the longer ester all I can feel is NPP, not a fan at all of the feeling. Sure the Dbol lessens it somewhat but a good solid test feeling is still king of all for me.
Press my brother I have no reason to lie, this is my personal experience, I have the same post in @giardap s post couple of years back that is!!
JamesClapperWhy not add 125mg of test cyp...?
Well after 50 replies I guess you not understanding.
1. No amount of deca and eq will make you blow up
2. You need to go down to 150 to 200mg of test a week for 6 months and take a break
3. Your 42. Your gonna have serious issues if you don't take a break ie...stroke, heart attack, bp problems, cholesterol issues, and alot more
4. You quit working out. You gave to regain what you lost for the next year on try dose only before even thinking about next cycle and need bloodwork!!!!
5. I have been in this game for 20 years. Been a nurse for 15
6. Be smarter and take care of tour body. Good luck
I'm a bit thick skulled. :-)
I know you're right. I just don't want to admit it to myself. I want to be back in the game and I want it yesterday. I tell myself it's worth the risk. But the advice is not falling on deaf ears. It's definitely being taken into consideration. Thanks for your time, RangerVet, et al.
Just be safe and don't jeopardize your health or muscles won't matter anymore. Focus on regaining the routine and training and diet for a long time. You gotta think about overall health. You can do that. Then in a year you will respond great again and get back where you were. I am hopeful for you. If your dead at 50 then what's The point. The reason the pros get so dam big is that they are superresponders to any anabolics, gh, and one other ingredient. You will never look like a pro no matter what you take. The quicker you accept that the better you can strive for a muscular beach body and be happy with that. Get back to basics buddy. Focus on being lean, your 6 pack, and your health. Make some new goals
Good advice mate +
Since you told Brother Vhman your not an average guy and your defending this unusual cycle why not post a picture to enlighten us. Most of us have had multiple ones up. I cant recall yours..
I meant that my life situation is not your typical one. I'm in a place that few could understand. I'll leave it at that because I'm not feeling super loved on this thread.
And the worst cycle of the day award goes to!! Drum roll please! ^^^^^^OP^^^^ you won stand up and take a bow!
Some good advice below. Get back on trt for awhile. Stop abusing steroids. Reassess your life and goals. Do a lot more research on dieting and training and a mountain worth more of research on aas use before you harm yourself. Gear will never make up for a poor diet and inadequate training. Most of all it should not be used as a crutch to try and overcome other addictions.
That's not my cycle. It was an inquiry as to whether this proposed combination of steroids would be work ok.
I appreciate the advice.
If you are proposing such a cycle then you have not researched enough about aas. Stick around and learn. This is a great place to absorb info. You may take a few on the chin but we all have to, to grow and learn.
I read Dan Duchaine's USH I & 2 over and over when I was a teenager. And studied this stuff in my earlier twenties. Then again in my late 30's. But I've been out of the game for awhile.
Although I agree with you that AAS should not replace other addictions, I think that at first they can help to realize that we will have to make a choice in our lifestyle. That's how it happened with me, and the obvious incompatibility between alcohol, smoking ..., and AAS made me realize that I had to leave that. I know that in the case of alcohol dependence there are drugs that are supposed to disgust you with any consumption.
I use to be a pretty heavier drinker. When I made the decision to not let alcohol control my life. I had to make many changes. Stop hanging out with old friends and prioritize family and work as most important. I will admit that the gym helped carry me through a few rough years. Working out became my sanctuary. When I got back into fitness. I trained natural for 2 years on diet and training. If an addict jumps into training with aas right away they are simply exchanging one bad habit with another. Obsessive compulsive behavior. In my observation an individual like that may be good for several weeks while on cycle but ultimately return to the same addiction and potential end up in worse shape then before. Addiction and recovery take time. This is a marathon not a race. In my case I tell my self everyday day this is for life and one slip up and everything can easily go to shit again!
RustyhookerSo you switched addictions or cleaned up?
Good question. I have always been addicted by the search for performance. Am I addicted to AAS ? I must be honest, yes I think but it is not a destructive addiction. Everyone who knows me and meets me today tells me I look better than I did 10 years ago. I feel much much better. I also know that it's only been a few years since I started and that I will have to slow down. But frankly it would not have been possible if there had been no beginning.
RustyhookerYou want to debate a gram of test for trt? Lol...gtfo! Dont come to me for a cosign. It doesnt make ya cool, neato or nifty.
FortySIXand2My first thought is RBC...be careful. Both Deca and Eq are know to raise RBC drastically.
Are you going to run any test with this?
I wasn't going to do so but I will now. And I'll monitor my rbc and platelets. I don't want to stroke out.
Not certain why asking a few questions about my cycle got me downvoted. There seems to be a real pressure to conform here on eroids. Not a place for me.
Just some ideas
If your not responding to 1,000mg of test a week and it is genuine than you have been on cycle too long in past. Be honest because if you are we can help. I have an idea that you have been running high doses longer than 10 weeks.
After a while you have to stop and give your body a break. I guarantee increasing the dose and adding more compounds will probally give you 5 more pounds maybe. You need time off and do real doses for trt for 6 months and then do a cycle. Food for thought
Oh, and I forgot to mention that I ran a 6-month straight test only cycle about 5 months ago. I was making solid gains and then there was a family crisis (girlfriend problems) and I just quit it all in despair.
About 3 years ago I stopped bodybuilding because I got into all this spiritual stuff. Losing the ego and such. Up until then I had been on a high-dose course of multiple steroids for a couple years straight - nonstop. I was pretty damn big. People would come up to me all the time and ask for advice. It was a huge mistake to stop lifting. I lost ALL my gains. And eventually my confidence and joy in life. So I want it back. And I will do everything I can to get it back, short of a deal with the devil. Call it mid-life crisis, if you will. I just turned 42 and I'm not too thrilled about it or the way my life is right now.
Trt is not a gram of test
That depends on who you ask. ;)
No it doesn’t. TRT is doctor prescribed replacement therapy.
Anything else is steroid abuse.
Yup. People confuse Trt with cruise. Trt is Rx dose, while cruise is when the big boys lower their test dose less than usual blast dose, but there's no set amount. You can cruise on a gram of gear, trt is usually no more than <200mgs/wk.
Just my poor attempt at humor. Do you guys ever laugh or are you just angry all the time?
Nope, angry at all times
Well, you made me laugh. That's something.
RustyhookerNo pumps....fix your carbs.
Cycle ideals....no way. Have i tried...yup. Give ya insiders secrets....nope. not worth it. Harmful, no sex drive etc
Trt....this is where the real bs happens in general. Trt means a constant blast somehow. As if off time is no longer needed. Switch gear and keep blasting.
Not saying you directly but that bs is common bro...
Right, that's what I'm doing now. I was on TRT for almost 3 years but now I'm just blasting. And I intend to continue until I get where I want to be.
RustyhookerSo youre a full blown drug addict looking for a cosigner. Your answer above of a gram is trt....be real dude. You been here long enough to know cosigning crap wont fly.
Rusty, there's definitely something wrong. I heavily abused alcohol and cigarettes for over 15 years straight. Basically most of my life thrown down the toilet. Thought I was self-medicating. But it was only poison. That's just how it is. I'm not crying about it. But I'm not asking for an ok here for the steroids. I'm fine with what I'm doing. I'm just using it as a jump start anyway. This won't be the never-ending cycle.
RustyhookerSo 3 replies towards 12 steps?
Its your health buddy. You been here a while. So you post up for what then? To brag yolo, im gonna run this. At your age, you dont need to brag on bad choices. Youre not i your 20s but something is amiss.
Whats your gain other than being an addict? To scream out im addicted?
Yeah, I'm an addict. Not alcohol or recreational drugs anymore, though. Working on improving things.
RustyhookerI hope you can find your happy spot bro. Weve chatted many times over the years and i hope you find your zen.
I'd rather not use any drugs of any kind. But I want to get big as fast as I can. What's wrong with that? I'm not advocating or advising this behavior. Just being honest about it.
Not sure what you mean. I only wanted to know if the EQ and Deca cycle would work ok. And why the test effects fizzled out. The rest of the details are irrelevant.
Fizzled because you abused it. Tolerance and dependence. How many times does a person start having fun with one perc. Then its ten. That's not enough anymore so shoot dope. Soon you'll say I need more then a gram.
I thought it was common "knowledge" that steroids don't lead to tolerance and receptor downregulation. So what's causing the effects to dwindle?
basskiller89I've never heard of a serious cycle without a baseline of test brother. It's possible you are not consuming enough carbs, water or electrolytes. You may also be getting in your head a bit. I would also imagine that RBC is still climbing as it's only week 10
That’s a recipie for panic attack’s and anxiety, let alone turning your blood into molasses. Not sure what you’re trying to accomplish here, but it sure doesn’t seem to be working so far.
Get bloods done ASAP and get back on your trt dose and stay there for a while and see if you can get back to normal. Not sure how old you are, but this is. It good for your health, especially anyone over 40. Good luck.