+ 1 designer steroids/prohormones
I know now they aren't as widely available(good) now due to bans. But who like myself ran these before the real deal so to speak? Mind you some were the real deal. And who has ran them period? What was it and what were your results. Not anything really relevant just something to shoot the shit about. For myself Bold 200 was pretty damn potent. It was a precurser to equipoise which wasn't methylated so relatively safe. I remember running around a 1.5 grams of it and having real results. I remember using epistane...very noticeable strength gains with joint pain unrivaled imo. Ofcourse SD which alot of us know how potent that is. This Japanese shit called oxyguno if I remember right was like halodrol if you know what that was. I dont condone any of this shit if you can still manage to find it. Was just curious as to how many of you have used these liver ticklers as well...with bold being the exception of toxicity Edit:I meant for this to be in off topic as there is no question pertaining to need of advice or help in a certain area. If its cool here then cool...
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M1T, Superdrol, Pheraplex were all solid designer orals.
I used m1t myself for many months (I think it was over a year) as standalone when I was young and stupid. As it was a supplement I didn't see the potential for damage, and the internet wasn't as informative as it was back then (2003/4) Fortunately I didn't have any permanent damage, but it was by far the best mass builder I've ever used. Felt like total shit all the time, trained 6 days a week like a God but outside the gym I had no energy. Lived on caffeine tablets. Split with girlfriend as I was so moody, could barely get up to go to work. My liver was checked up as I had terrible insomnia and they couldn't find a cause, turned out it was an over-active thyroid. Will never know if m1t was the cause. Strangely my liver levels were only slightly above normal, but back then I had a extremely controlled diet and I didn't drink during that period, fortunately (if you see it that way) I had been quite a big drinker before this but a friend had bet me I couldn't stop drinking for 6 months. I managed 8! I don't drink now as when my wife got pregnant I said I wouldn't drink or smoke if she couldn't, and apart from the odd pint on special occasions I've continued this now for 2.5 years approx. Would that mean I'm tempted to get some m1t? No. The original m1t is no longer available, and 2 of my gym buddies gained nothing at all from m1t clones. And one said it gave him a buzz. Not it's normal effect! Oh and you asked for effects, gained 2 stone in i think 3ish months, got totally ripped on 15mg a day. After that I got stronger but didn't put on weight. Kept everything I gained though
Dont know if I'm fortunate or unfortanate to never have tried m1t. Probably good the younger me never got my hands on it. As its been described I wouldn't touch it with a 10ft pole nowadays haha. Thanks for sharing brother
bigurielThey are still widely available and legal in Europe. I've used them from time to time but it's hard to keep track with new ones coming out all the time.
For starters calling them prohormones is misleading as there are very few prohormones on the market. Most of them are steroids proper, they just happen to be legal.
Epi is a good product, not unlike var but much cheaper.
SD and M1T are fantastic for your physique, but the lethargy is really bad. Also messed sleep and high blood pressure, not to mention horrific lipid profile. They are very, very strong, stronger than dbol or anadrol in my experience. It is silly that these things are/were legal and plain testosterone is illegal.
These are the ones really worth bothering with if you have access to the regular AAS IMHO.
I still use SD from time to time. Nothing ever mades me look as good as SD. 20mg of SD for me is like the strength and size of 100mg of dbol, with none of the bloat. And it's dirt cheap too. I like pulsing it on training days with a massive carb and protein intake, and avoid using it straight for several weeks as it is pretty bad for you.
Informative post brother.
superdrol, m1t, alpha 1, m14, halo, bold, epistane, i was stupid enough to run all these pieces of shit when i was younger- around 23, i was on another forum back then and i mad contact with a guy who owned a shop in the uk, he used too send as much of the junk over as i wanted for free.
mdrol and m1t are potent ( no need for conversion) actual designer steroids, they work, m1t made me look like a road map, veins popping everywhere.
m14 is a precursor for dbol- the fkd part about it is that i think the conversion rate was something like 12% meaning if you pop 100mgs, it converts to 20mgs of dbol lol and i think the max daily dose was supposed too be 30-40mgs, so can you imagine all these young lads? probably popping 500mgs of the shit trying too get 100mgs of dbol, these were some of the problems with these products.
they were sold otc as stand a lone stacks- never did they get told too run test with it, never did they think they need pct etc etc.
they are largely unregulated- then when they are- they get ban- so then they change the structure by 1 atom and add some other bullshit product in it like "green tea extract" too make it appear "safer"
you really dont know what your getting.
superdrol has its place now, maybe even m1t, but give me some good quality anadrol over any of them anyday.
no need to even bother with this shit, thats what test is for, test is best.
Some nice info here as well on the subject.
I recenty Ran Superdrol, and M1t. on a Re-comp
I did Not give a detailed review, because i had so many other compounds in the same review.
However heres some details for those that are interested, or considering running any of these.
Superdrol, Weeks 1+2 = 20mg in divided doses 10mg in the morning and 10mg in the afternoon
Weeks 3,4,5 30mg in divided doses, mrning, aftenoon,Evning
The Good, Dry lean gains, overall 9lbs muscle, This compound is a Carb Scavenger, You can over eat, and eat a little Dirty and it will forgive you. You will lean out with this compound, while adding muscle.
The Strength gains = I usualy dip with 50kg for 8 reps, Well i kept adding due to the increase in strength and at 80kg stopped, My coller bones felt like snapping before my strength would give out.
Everything Felt light, I really felt i could Snap my bones or tear a muscle , Superdrol gave me so much strength.
The Bad, It gave me heartburn from hell, my joints were hurting, and i had a feeling of being generaly unwell, wich is a shame considering you perform like superman once your in the gym.
The bad sides were rather pronounced for me, there is extra power from 20mg to 30mg, but in hindsight i should have stuck to 20mg for the whole 5 weeks.
If you want a detailed report on M1t, i will add it here
Good ol superdrol. I had a love hate relationship with her during my months and months of dating. We were good in bed(lifting) but a nightmare everything else we did together. Aside from another stupidly toxic oral, superdrol was the most intense. For myself it put halo and anadrol in a fluffy pink skirt. To think it was at your neighborhood supp shop not too long ago. I'll never touch it again...not for me
hi Bolt
I wont touch it again neither.
I found it seriously strong, and not convinced if it was worth the sides.
Ive run just about everything,at some point but this batch of drol was off the charts.
thanks for feedback bro.
My very first cycle, me and my roomate decided to run hdrol, we were like 1.5 weeks and I found eroids and all these sources to buy real gear from so me and my roomate said fuck it if were gonna do it we better do it right and ordered some test an used the hdrol as a kicker to the 12 week test cycle. Ran the hdrol for like 6 weeks total on test for 4 of those weeks and when i had dropped the hdrol I was up like 17lbs i believe. All in all during that first cycle I put on 28lbs and kept 23 until i fucked up my shoulder about 2 months after pct and lost a decent chunk of size. Crazy size and strength gains from the hdrol/test run. It was summer vaca from uni an i just trained like 5-6 days a week and ate everything in site. Wasnt very aesthestic looking at the end of that bulk though lol. but I added alot of solid muscle.
Hdrol was great, except for the part where i puked blood towards the end of the 6 week run and my roommate was pissing orange lol. That was the end of prohormones for me.
It all sounded awesome till the end lol. H-drol definitely left me knowing it was a toxic fucker at the time! All I cared about was...shit man those crazy days I cant tell you anymore what I was thinking...
Ran halodrol a very long time ago before I knew what real gear was because it was legal and my buddy told me it would get me swole haha. Started at 50mg, didn't feel much. So I bumped it to 75, then 100, 125, 150, that's when the sides hit me like a Mack truck and I thought I was going to die. Laying in bed burning up with heart palpitations and severe nausea with a headache like I haven't felt since. But it taught me that more is definitely not better before I started with real gear at least
You must have been in your late teens I'd imagine. From that one go round you learned a valuable lesson though which is absolutely a good thing. The guys behind the counter were part to blame...not having the knowledge of what they were pushing on youngsters. And I know some did which also made them partly to blame for selling it to youngsters. Cant remember if there were age restrictions on them or not...again glad to hear you understand more is not always better. Another user, I forget who, said it best for myself, "moderation in everything, and I fucking mean everything!"
Lol yep I think 19 if I remember right. But I just ordered it online and it came to me like pizza. Easiest thing ever until I felt what it did. Only made it about two weeks into the cycle which is good because I didn't know what a pct was either
I wonder just how much more effective these products might have been knowing what we know now. If one utilized a mature diet with the proper amounts of protein and carbs etc. Knowing now any cycle needs a test base. Because at the time I used these compounds I definitely wasn't eating correctly and I definitely WAS partying correctly lol. I still had results. Maybe utilized correctly in a cycle these products might have worked on or near the level. Hypothetically ofcourse because nowadays I'd have no want or need to run them. Honestly have no need to run any orals any longer.
Maybe....then...just maybe...i did a 3-PH stack and incorporated standard TC 500 cycle...it was only 10 wks. Went from 182 to 200. But, 6 wks after Standard PCT i was 193 and my RDW was 17. Two wks later I dropped a unit and i shit u not bro....within 3 days i was stuck at 200 and eating pnut butters sandwiches to get it there. Diet and bloods make a difference. And so does lifting and juice. But its all gotta "run" right together for successful results....nice post bro!!
I fully believe that! There is so much more to progress then just lifting eating and using. You need a proper understanding of each and then a proper understanding of how they impact you. Trial and error is so much different when you pay attention and adjust accordingly. Not the haphazard trial and error of hmmm...Im not growing let me add this or double this dose. That was always my answer...I need more! Now if I ran the doses I once did these days the difference would be night and day. I dont have the interest in that anymore though. I lift because I love it and pin because I have to. Yea ill throw another compound in the pin here and there but that is only because I have to anyway. I've said it before but no more assaults on my body...only assault is while lifting
U gotta a good clear head...i agree
Appreciate that brother thank you
I used halodrol when I was a skinny kid. Took me from 190 to 202 in six weeks. I was in pain all six weeks from the growing. Stuff was pretty amazing but no other compound has made me hurt like that stuff.
TronWant to hear something crazy?? When i was in my EARLY 20's i ran test like crazy and had no idea what pct was...needless to say when i stopped using i had issues..sex drive and shrunken testies. Had this problem for a couple years...decided to buy a product called AHD by bpi sports. Advertised as a test booster..i shit you not by the 3rd or 4th day my testicles were sore..then they dropped...back to full size in less than 2 weeks..sex drive went crazy..and had energy again. Couldnt believe an over the counter product did that..did some research on it and turns out they claim it works much like aromasin. Product is still available as far as I know.
Thanks for that, have to look into that.
Ha! I remember seeing that stuff. I should have pulled the trigger on it at the time because god knows I needed some help with natty test production.
RustyhookerIt's about anabolics so here is good as any long as brands or sources are chatted about.
Years ago when the ban took effect, science knew you could build a better pro hormone. Those first and second generation ph were awesome. Not as potent due to it being oral but hit some great size/strength. After any chem is tweaked too much in order to be "legal", it's so far removed from the parent hormone there's nothing left but sides and issues.
1 methyl test and a 5 something were my favorites back 24 years ago. I bought a dozen of each before pulled then went to pharma gear. I have no faith whatsoever on today's ph market.
Designer steroids got squashed as far as I know when the baseball crap hit the fan. They made anabolics that were reported effective with passes on the pee test. Some guys adjusted for pee testing with balancing out the ratio
remember the "russian bears?"
RustyhookerNames familiar but never tried it.
They came in a silver blister pack with russian writing on it with a bear symbol. I got them from my russian friends back in the late 80's. Small white pills. I took them for 2 weeks and felt like a million bucks in the gym.
RustyhookerMissed those. Friends ate all sorta odd tabs though. Lol
I ran superdrol when I was 20 and still in the service back then it was a pro hormone...and more recently I gave Super DMX 3.0 a couple years ago. Got strong, lots of water retention and lost everything I gained when I came off. Alot of these designer steroids will shut you down something fierce....not to be played with or taken lightly in my opinion. Need all the same protection as if you were running AAS. Need an AI, need PCT and in my opinion a test base as well.
I agree. If I were to travel back in time and get a hold of the young me...I would of made myself use test along with them at least.
Lol definitely...younger me could've used this forum and a swift kick in the ass for the way I cycled at the time. First 3 cycles were oral only either prohormone or AAS. Part of the reason was I lived in the barracks on base and didn't want needles around and the other main reason was I thought I knew it all! 1 gland removal at the age of 22 is when I realized that maybe I didn't have a clue of what the fuck I was doing.
Most definitely! It was so easy...oh this builds muscle? Down the hatch with no regard. This mind splitting headache with bloody nose has nothing to do with the 3 methylated oral stack I am taking.
That is correct!! And probably even drop a unit after six weeks after PCT as evidenced per BW..
Agreed
I think u can ask a MOD to move it...
Thank you Med
Yep...np bro...fr sending now
Sounds good brother