Dbol Help Please
I am starting a new cycle & looking to add in some Dbol to try to get some added strength + gains , but after reading other post I see that Dbol cause a lot of water retention / loss of gains after . Is there a way to possibly run a smaller dose & keep any of the gains I get ? I have used C/E 400 at 600 MG a week with No water retention issues at all but was running 50 MG Var ED with that . My older friends at the gym swear by Dbol & that is why I am considering it
Cycle I am thinking about Running - Any advice would be awesome . I am new to eroids so please feel free to let me have it - good & bad . Thank you
Week 1 - 4
Dbol - 25 MG ED
Test Prop 100 - 50 MG ED
Week 4 - 12
Tren Ace 100 - 50 MG ED
Test Prop 100 - 50 MG ED
Mast Prop 100 - 50 MG ED
Week 12-16 PCT / Clomid / Nova / Ai
I am 38 years old 6'3 & weight 210 Pounds with 9 to 10% BF . Before I started running my first 2 Cycles I was 180 Pounds & about 13 to 14 % BF . Looking to get to 225 but stay lean . Thank you .
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RustyhookerYour cycling and goals/drug choices aren't good here bro. You're falling into the kitchen sink method. No tren either. If you want bulk....then get bulk. Bulk comes from foods.
Lean bulk relies heavily on foods. So if a lil fat pops on...add a lil sweat. Cardio. You should read up on provi. Unbinds test. Theres a stickie on it at top section of one of the forums. Then you can add mass without going psycho in dosing.
Read it....add questions and new cycle idea. I'll be back. Hollywood below....pick his brain too.
Thank you rustyhooker for your honest advice ! I just read up on the provi post you mentioned & that is very helpful info
I'm not quite sure what the kitchen sink method is , but it doesn't sound like the method I should be doing lol . I will take everyone's advice & create myself a better cycle without the Tren & Dbol . Thank you again for taking your time to offer your thoughts !
RustyhookerLol! You'll Recognize kitchen sink from here on out with a lil reading. Kitchen sink is adding compounds that dont match but sound good. Tossing many chems into the kitchen sink for a beast brew. Problem is they wont work towards your written goal. Dry lean bulk is different that wet/dirty bulk by compounds, retention and foods. Staying dry and hard is a lil difficult with a compound known for water retention. But if just all out bulking, the water will boost strength. Dbol is good for that. Dry compounds like the var you mentioned are great for no water retention and strength. The list goes even bigger with oils and running a stack. More bang for tge buck just by knowing which ones compliment the other. Dbol at the low dose should be drier for ya but simple old test and provi will add good mass with less hassles. Basically, turbocharged your test.
Haha thank you for the lesson on the kitchen sink , that is what was on my mind too = a beast brew lol .But the dry lean bulk is my main goal & I am starting to see the science in this now with your help rustyhooker , and will clearly do some revisions / more research to my cycle before I start the third round !! I greatly do appreciate you knowledge my friend , and once again thank you for taking the time to help me out !! That is really cool of you !!!
Your first two cycles were with test-c and then e, with Var on both of them? Please let us know exactly what they were, that way we can properly advise you on this proposed cycle.
Also, a general rule of thumb, only add one new substance per cycle. That is the only way to know how you are responding to the new stuff.
Hi vhman . My bad my first cycle was a mix of 200 MG C & 200 MG E . I did run the Var with that mix . I should have posted my second cycle as well - which was the same mix C/E 400 at 600 MG a week / 50 MG Var ED & then I added some Mast Prop 50 MG ED . Thank you for letting me know about adding the one new substance per cycle . I started with 3 different ones as mentioned then was thinking about adding the 2 new ones Dbol & Tren on this one ! I hope this info helps clear things up on my proposed cycle & you can help me from here .
Thanks for the info and willingness to take some advice. I would refer to hllwdbdboy below as far as tren goes. It's something that should never be taken lightly. I've never taken it and probably never will (it's just doesn't fit my goals). He has also given great advice as far as the rest of your cycle, so I refer to him on that.
I really think that keeping cycles simple and safe is always good practice. I still make great gains on test and occasionally one other substance. Best of luck.
Thank you for your help & advice ! Much appreciated , and I sure will !
dbol is water weight bro the plus is that water helps in the joints to help get your lift on til your esters kick in but seeing that you are running a short ester the point is moot
Drop the tren bro, you are far too early in your cycle history (IMO too early for a short ester cycle too), prop/mast will suit your needs (although IMO doses are a bit low)
Hi hllwdbdboy ! Awesome info , thank you ! Can you possible suggest what I should take the prop/mast upt to + a time frame in order to hit the 225 pound mark for my goal with this cycle ? I have run 600 MG of test a week with nice success / about 15 pounds in gains each one . Would the Tren be a good 4th cycle option for me , or is that to early for a strong substance like that ?