+ 1 dbol and liver
So I know I start a lot of forums but I'm curious about certain things in the past I did things very irresponsibly and I had a world of hurt from it. So I'm curious just how much does say 25 mg of dbol a day affect liver values. I know the higher the dose the more dangerous it becomes but can't it really be that bad? Just from my experience with oral compounds something I'm not proud of but I used a prohormone called alpha 1 max before I started real deal gear and the stuff was supposedly super toxic I had bloods done and my liver values were within the normal range, and I wasn't even using the cycle support supps they have out bp was hight but no liver problems.... can dbol really be that much worse cause I heard sides from prohormones are way worse. I also ran anadrol for like 3 months (us I know dumb as fuck I was 19 and stupid) at 150 mg a day and didn't have any liver problems until the last week which were bad jaundice constant nausea the whites of my eyes were neon yellow crazy shit.
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Its difrent from person to person and your habits (drinking water, eating healthy, mikronutrients etc., age) from personal use i live a very healthy life expet my heavy aas usage, where i check evrything from food to suplementation to fluid consumption and i ran dbol in the past 100mg a day for i think was 8 weeks as a blast liver values didnt change one bit, used liver support while on it (sorry cant remember the name) Syilmarin (thats whats in milk thistle) and all was good. i dont recommend this to anyone please dont get me wrong always respect this drugs. but 25mg drink a lot eat healthy, add a good liver support and your gonna be just fine.
I'm off the aas for awhile but thanks for the advice
Jesus 3 months of anadrol at 150mg a day, lucky youre not dead bro. I know the liver is strong and it recovers fast.
If you were to use 25mg a day of dbol with some liver support, your liver will be fine for about a month or so, but what you did to your liver in the past, I dont know how much it can really take any more, since you've already had jaundice.
Damn I haven't logged on here in awhile. But I stopped using before I even got to the dbol completely. I posted in another forum that I'm having heart problems so I stopped all together. Not saying my aas usage was the cause but I know it's not helping either. But yeah I did that shit I was stupid as hell not even 20 years old my buddy and I started working out and we decided it would be a good idea to run some shit without researching at least despite our age lol we just kept taking the shit... jaundice was actually the least of the problems I had my blood pressure was hypertension for at least 2 weeks after my resting heart rate was through the roof all the time not to mention complete and total shut down I expierenced soon there after I stopped using I was completely miserable that's the only way I can describe it. The jaundice cleared up before I was discharged from the hospital actually. It was everything after that fucked me up not saying the jaundice wasn't bad but having blood pressure 160 over 100 at least everyday for two weeks was terrible I got dizzy all the time hot flashes my head felt funky all day everyday all that on top of being shut down I wanted to kill myself... I stayed off for 2 years and started small with some test cyp and pretty much been using test only since but I quit all of it together. Suprisingly enough I've been putting natural weight on not much but some.
yes, too an extent, the "healing" or "re-generating" is actually scar tissue forming over the affected areas, there's only so much it can take, yes it's resilient, but not bullet proof, the whole liver healing thing is so over hyped and over talked.
caution must be taken, the long term damage is the problem, oh yeah ill just take a bit of the old milk thistle, bit of the old liv52 or even tudca, yeah they work now, but what about in 20-30 even 40 years?
recovery? not really, temporary fix/ relief of symptoms, yes.
CfrancoI've ran Dbol at Super high doeses for weeks and other Orals too, no signs of harm to my body besides my BP being slightly elevated. Think about it like this.... There are 60-70 year old alcoholics out there on the streets who have been drinking for years. They're still alive. The liver is the strongest organ in the body, Orals aren't certainly "good" for your health but there are things far worse out there brother
Yeah this is crazy man I don't agree with this statement
My first thought on this was "this is one of the stupidest, short-sided, idiotic things I've read in a while." Then I looked at your stats and realized you're 21 and it all made sense.
Try not to be so cliche son.
That has got to be the worst advice I've seen yet on here truthfully and I've had guys tell me a gram + of test a week is perfectly safe lmao
and by the way, alpha 1 is a pre-cursor of m1t- meaning it is converted in the body into m1t, 17aa, 2 passes through the liver, and no, its not as potent as dbol or anadrol, if abused or used for long periods of time it is, but usage is kept at 4 weeks or below at low doses, my advice is stiil stay away from orals, i would be running liver supps year round, milk thistle, liv 52- year round, and tudca i would be cycling on and off a few times a year for 6 weeks at a time.
And another question if alpha 1 is abused it can be real bad but if used normal it's not that bad shouldn't this same example apply to another 17aa oral? From what I understand 25 mg is a minimum dosage could that be considered abuse keeping in mind people run this stuff at 100 mg a day for more than 6 weeks I've heard of?
Shit I don't cycle that much I did two in the past year but after the anadrol incident I didn't do anything for along time. BTW man I'm sorry I blew up on you I felt like I was being attacked for asking a simple question I know the stuff is toxic basically what I was asking and how I should have worded it to begin with is is the toxicity exaggerated
nah mate, you werent being attacked, it just the way i roll, as for "get too fuck" its an old joke carried on from viking, but as i said on the other page if you were offended, my bad, why you want to run orals so bad anyway? short acting oil esthers are available, suspension, acetate, propionate etc etc, could easily kick start a cycle with a test prop kicker instead of an oral, will be way better for your health/ liver and cheaper easier to keep gains.
Nice...
I'll send you a fr and inbox the source and brand I got it from
I'm using test prop at 500 mg a week right now I have that posted down the line in here somewhere but I got 500 10 mg dbol tablets for free on a promo on here from a high ranked source I haven't decided if I was going to run it yet cause I never used the stuff I was just gathering info as much as I could cause I got a shit load of the stuff
That last week of ANADROL was a problem. Not good.
If I were you I wouldn't run any orals without Synthergine (liver aide)
and id keep a close eye on blood work.
I have a good plan for the dbol I'm planning to run tudca and some milk thistle just for the hell of it at a low dose for 4 weeks with test base of course then standard pct. I was 19 almost 20 when I ran that cycle I was brand new and I got the stuff from a friend I knew nothing about the drugs other than I was getting big and strong super fast. I did no research I didn't even run pct afterwards. But you live and learn I know if never run anything that high of a dose for that long ever again. That's for damn sure
I understand what everyone is saying here trust me but what I don't understand is why flash has to get on here and be a ass hole about shit. His first comment made no sense at all not even a little I read it like 15 times trying to understand what he said . It sounded like he just learned how to speak English so I asked if he worded it wrong then proceeded to say I have half a brain etc fuck that I don't care about a karma hit basterd isn't going to come here and talk to me like that just cause he's a advanced member on here make me negative 100 it's a damn site I could care less I mainly use this site for contacting sources cause I don't like do it through email
are you still going on? if you actually go pack a page, you will se i actually apoligised if i came off arroagant, go have a look, all this rambling nonsense is pointless, you have to realise that us guys deep in the trenches of eroids forums, helping daily, e have to be cautious, we are advising people on steroid useage and things that can change and alter lives, it can be risky buisness and we are here to help people be safe and do it properly, you had jaundice bro, enough said. move on because i dont even give a shit about you mate, i dont have any issue with you what so ever.
I'm not going on about anything anymore I stopped talking about that a long time ago and changed topic. I saw your apology and I did feel like you were being an ass for me asking you to re word what you said cause I didn't understand what the sentence meant you went from 0 to 100 in like half a second I dropped it water under the bridge dude...
Methylated orals require tauroursodeoxycholic acid. TUDCA, dosed properly in regard to the dose of the methylated oral compound, will keep the enzyme values on a liver profile with in normal limits. However, underlying liver disease and/or damage, from whatever known, or unknown, etiology will manifest on a liver enzyme profile and the values will not be with in normal limits. Therefore, knowing your history with the oxymethalone, i would recommend pre-cycle bloodwork before any of your cycles, as well as, mid cycle and post cycle. In addition to cycling methylated orals, it would be to your advantage to incorporate TUDCA into your regimen because 25mgs of a methylated oral might be low dosed, but its still an AAS.
I just got bloods done a little over 2 weeks ago and I was reading about tudca and some shit called live 52 I was going to run the oral for no longer than 4 week at 25 mg a day maybe 30 max
For first time user thats a fair dose. A max dose would be 50-100mg bid in divided doses for 4 weeks. If i used it again i would dose it low and/or pulse it 2wks on/off thru the cycle. It has a punch to it, but its copeable. I like the strength it puts out, plus the synergy with TE/TC.
if i ever got jaundice or what ever i would never touch anything that could harm or stress the liver again!
Me either...years ago i was hanging out with a trusted friend and a girl he brought along. I was sippin on a keystone...one friggin.keystone...it was free...lol!! Anywho, i kept feeling more tired than usual. Something clicked when i noticed my friend doing the same thing. The girl was all.smiling. i stood up and cleared out my house with a loud, "WAKE UP, LETS GO....SHE NEEDS.TO.GET HOME!!" He was laggy. And i was catching up pretty quick. Long story short, the chick put seroquel in our cans. The next two days i was slightly yellow faced. I spit my story out to others that new this chick and her M.O....turns out she had been drugging and robbing people.
drugging and robbing people, typical, why cant they drug and rape us?
Oh believe me...they will if thats their plan...lol!!
brother if we have to tell you not to mess with orals after what you just said what your experiences was with it then nothing we can say will help you... do yourself a favor and leave all AAS alone you obviously do not have the knowledge to know what your doing man.
I'm not sure I understand what you posted this was man years ago and it has passed I have a clean bill of health right believe it or not maybe you worded your comment wrong
This is what this guy decided to be a bitch about this comment right here cause he put sentences together like a 3 year old and I wanted him to clear it up for me so I knew what he was talking about all those advanced roid cycles you're running are fucking with your head bro lay off the tren hex my man
A couple of things chief: First, when responding to someone, click the "Reply" button in the right upper part of their comment. You've been here long enough to know that.
Second, you posted this and you'll get all kinds of responses. Acting like a petulant child because you don't like what you're saying will get you nowhere and you'll take a karma hit for it. Deal with it.
As for your comment, I would never take orals again if I had the issues you had with your last run. Just because you get bloods and it was a while ago, doesn't mean that you don't have some liver damage and could be prone to having similar issues again. Stay away.
So what you're telling me is asking him to reword his comment in a way that I could understand cause it made no sense at all was me being childish then when I got pissed cause he started to insult me warrants a loss of karma?
I was very clear. Just giving you some information.
Most get along here. Those who don't, do not last very long. No reason for it to come to that, but that's up to you.
All I asked was for him to reword it and he called me stupid the fact was I ran anadrol for 3 months strait non stop at a dangerous amount over 5 years ago it was ireesponsible and at the time I didn't know that I was young and stupid I know more than people think I do just because I'm basic on here doesn't mean I don't know they are toxic everything is liver toxic from oral to Tylenol. My simple question was how bad would that dose raise it. I'm not looking for a green light on a cycle I'm looking for answer about toxicity nobody on the forum asked for an OK to a cycle
What else thats related to AAS can we help you with regarding this thread?
Actually I do about the yes prop I'm running right now I get prop pain from it obviously it's prop I've used 3 times in the past my concern is it seems to linger for multiple days and the gear I'm running is a high end brand I use a 22 g to draw and I switch the 22 to a 25 I take around 15 seconds to inject the solution and I rub the site with a sterile swab then hit it again with another alcohol swab do have any tricks to help with this I've tried warming the gear that didn't work but this batch I got is overdosed or at least that's what the labmax said I'm thinking maybe that's the issue not only that I felt the effects of this stuff after the end of week one it's made with ethyl oleate I know that for sure and I w as under the impression that that stuff is supposed to have less pain that the normal cottonseed oil ba/bb solution....
EO is tough, bro. U tried cutting with gso? Also, how long is the needle ur using?
Depends on the spit I use a 1 inch for quads and delts glute 1.5 same gauge I tend to get prop pain worse in the delt rather than the quads I posted another forum about splitting up the dose into two different locations at once and make it to where I wouldnt pin the same spot more than once a week I tested it last week and it was better but still kinda bad if I pin a shoulder and try to do a shoulder day it's bad. The only pip I felt worse than this was when I ran test and Deca I was putting 1 ml test prop and half ml npp in the same needle in the same site that was terrible man.
No pain in glutes? Try 1.5" in quads and delts. U could use magnifying glass and search PIP...a lot of forums about PIP.
Glute is bad to lol
So 'fuck wit, jaundice want more pills, get too fuck' makes sense?
About as much sense as your oxymethalone doses...now lets move on and get to the real reason u are here. People piss me off on here and i say shit too them, too...lol...who cares learn to overlook it and go on...can u please do that?
it just boggles me that you have no clue, i mean shit its basic common knowledge, orals are liver toxic, simple as that, you have had jaundice- kind of answers your question hey? and im laughing that you negged me, you do realise it does nothing? mine for instance though can take -2 at a time, i wont do that though, as i can see you are lacking half a brain. good luck.
+1. Haven't laughed this hard on here for awhile. Thank you, Flash.
2,4, 6, 8, ....who do we appreciate...The Flash..The Flash...lmao..
yaaaaaaaaaaaaay!
Hellllll Yeeaaahh!! Thats the best way to get a look at them babe's livers....lmfao
You guys are cracking me up :-)
I'm with you on this one mate. It's a crazy question. Oral AAS are liver toxic. Simple. OP has had prior liver issues which resulted in jaundice and possible damage. So what is he looking for here? Someone to say hey don't worry man at a low dose it will be fine go for it. Seems to me that's what he wants to hear and isn't and so shows his true colours!!! The fact is who knows what this dose will do to the OP. If he wants to play Russian roulette with his liver then thats his choice but I'm not going to say it's ok and no one else responsible will either. Crazy shit this.