+ 4 adjusted test/deca cycle
Start with stats:
25 years old, I weigh 200 now. 2 pound increase since last forum cause of the extra calories I added when I started the cycle.
Current body fat percentage I'm not sure I was at 15 percent last time I checked it I'm going to assume it's higher now since I'm a dirty eater.
Past cycles:
my first cycle I used just test enanthate at 500 MG a week.
My second cycle I used test prop and masteron prop in a premix bottle it was 100 MG of test and 50 MG of masteron per ml I pinned 1 ml everyday
Third cycle I used sustanon at 500 MG a week and oxandrolone at 80 MG a day
Forth cycle I used test cyp 750 MG a week and 50 MG dbol a day .
This cycle I'm going to run 500 MG test cyp a week and 250 MG of deca a week split up into twice a week so 250 test 125 deca on Sunday and the same on Thursday
I'll be using arimidex. 5 MG eod and caber I was thinking .5 MG ed but that I'm not sure about I read it's pretty much person to person.
The goal is to hit 220 225 after 12 weeks cycle.
pct I planned clomid 50 to 100 MG a day along with hcg. If I'm not mistaken I'd start this 2 weeks after my last pin?
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Had the bf% checked today 17.1 it's high but I expected that as I said I'm a dirty eater. I'm 5 foot 8 at 200 pounds I guess that's not to bad lol
Caber . 25mgs e3d srarting week 5. Get bloods at this stage and gauge where your at an adjust as needed. Same with adex .25 eod start week 3. 250mgs a week is sensible for first time with 19 nor. I dont see a huge issue here as long as you run your ancillaries and pct along with bloods. Im glad you cleared it all up and changed attitude to positive. Keep everyone updated.
I plan to give updates and I thank you for the input.
I like that u have turned your attitude around and actual wanting help and looking to learn plus two
Yeah I did some research and realized I was wrong and I admit that, I was a dick due to my ego and misguided thought I had enough experience to start deca at what I thought was good. I'm glad you guys were harsh cause it made me want to look it up and see for myself.
Plus one for the 180 on the attitude. Nice work!
See I told you lol I felt like I was being attacked in the other one I went on the defense I jumped the gun it was my bad
All I was trying to do was help u. I honestly didn't want to see u hurt yourself and u was very brash. I'm glad we had it out on the si and I'm glad i convinced u to start a forum. I may of came off as a dick but I was trying to get u to do more research lol
It worked lol 400 MG of deca to the 500 MG test would have fucked me up.
Not only that but not having anything on hand in case u had problems. Who knows u might be okay running deca that high compared to test but it's a very bad move not to be prepared. When I'm running a cycle. I have everything I need plus extra. An example say I'm running test e. I have test e from to different sources on hand in case I have a problem with one of them. This is critical for ai or pct drugs. U would be surprised how many guys have crashed and burn bc what they had turned out to be bunk or under dosed and boom they have nothing on hand
Damn that would be shitty as fuck man I got all my stuff from the same guy(which you know) so I'm going to say it's safe to assume it's not bunk but as far as reactions I won't know till I start the stuff.
Unfortunately it's a common thing in this game. It's always best to be over prepared. Especially with ugl. So just take your time and prepare and be safe
Will do I'll post updates every couple weeks for you guys to see
You should run the standard Nolva/Clomid pct. You don't know how 19nors can shut you down, so you'd wanna err on the side of conservativism and run both just to make sure you recover. Two weeks post cycle is the minimum, I prefer three weeks.
I'll give you a +1 to reset you to 0, seems you're taking our advice bit by bit.
And thanks for the reset sorry I got rude with you before I was wrong and didn't want to admit it cause I thought I had enough experience.
It's water under the bridge.
Okay so I should order some nolva? I already have clomid and hcg. You're saying skip the hcg and just run nolva and clomid for only 3 weeks? Then get bloods I assume, I've always done that explained to doc what I did say yeah I know I shouldn't blah blah he says I'll check you out see if everything is cool etc he is a family friend so I trust him
Run the Nolva/ clomid for 4 weeks (standard protocol here) at:
Nolva- 40/40/20/20
Clomid- 100/100/50/50
some guys on here will not recover this way, so they run more intense PCTs. The HCG is at your discretion, I don't run it, I know guys on both side of the fence regarding the HCG usage.
I used the hcg and clomid after the dbol cycle I did and when I got the bloods done everything was normal doc said so I did it that way everytime after. I'll try the nolva this time and save my hcg. And see how I do
AnonThats too much caber, especially for that low of a dose of deca, you might not even need it. Most guys run .25-.50 twice a week but that is usually for heavier cycles. I would run the deca 10 weeks and the test for 12 weeks, deca is a longer ester and needs longer to clear.
I prefer to wait about 20 days after last test e pin to start pct, thats my personal preference. I think 2 weeks is too soon, but I run a test prop taper at the end of cycles now so its never really an issue anymore.
Okay so the caber you're saying .5 MG like Sunday and Thursday? I'm going to use it just in case you know I wasn't going to at first but a lot of people said to so I'm going to assume I was wrong. And you're saying stop the deca at week 10 and still pin the test for the last 2 and taper it down like week 11 500 MG then week 12 250?
AnonSorry if I wasnt clear but the guys below me got it sorted out for you
No, you don't need to taper, and if you did taper, it would probably be best to use prop, but this is a more advanced protocol, stick to the basics for now. Just run the test two weeks longer than deca.
Okay so I'm going to but the deca out at week ten use the normal 500 MG of test for the last two, now I read I should wait two weeks before starting pct but that's when I was on prop is that a correct time frame? And how does the dosage I have setup look 500/250 split into two day?
No a taper is ran with prop I wrote a forum u might enjoy reading
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/test-prop-taper
I'll check it out man. I stay away from prop after the one time I used it pip was bad and it lasted for days man lol
That's what ugl gets u I've ran pharma prop and couldn't even tell I pinned it before
Yeah that ugl stuff was ugly if I pinned a delt it was over that arm was useless for at least two days and I normally stay away from the glue I switch site with both quads and delts I'll just move it and inch or two on the quads up or down from the last pin staying inside the suggested site. Delts suck to I have to have my fiance aspirate and inject for me lol
Dosage looks fine, and yes wait at least two weeks after your last pin of test e before you start PCT. Again, I prefer three weeks.
Okay I'm using test c but same shit pretty much. Thanks for the help I'll post updates as the cycle goes on
Shit sorry, yes, same protocol with the test c
He'll yeah thanks guy you seem knowledgeable, I'm going to send a request in case I have any further questions sure I will
Accepted.
Thanks
Oh I'm 5 foot 8 and this my first 19nor experience so I want to run it low to see how I handle it if during the cycle everything is going good I might bump it a little