posted Wed, 05/08/2013 - 19:45
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Cycle advice for a friend
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Okay, Guys. I'm writing this out cause it sucks trying to do a cycle log on an iPhone. So I have a friend of mine that's wanting to run these compounds below. This is based off of his ideas but I just tweaked them a little but I want your opinions and see if there is anything you would change or do different. Thank you for all of your input in advance.
Week 1-16 T.E500@ 500mg split dosage
Week 1-16 EQ @600mg split
Week 17-20 Test prop @ 200mg EOD
Week 15-20 Anavar @ 50mg ED
Week 12-20 HCG @500iu split dosage
AI is Aromasin @12.5 ED
PCT starts 3 days after last injection
Aro 12.5/12.5/6.25/6.25
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 20/20/10/10
External supps- Milk Thistle, Hawthorne Berry, Saw Palmetto.
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couple things i, personally, don't like here are:
1) the eq frontload: if he's not ran this before, just advise him that it will take some time to kick in but the wait is well worth it. i've that double frontload, and it sucked. yes, hunger/appetite kicked in the second week, but so did the INSANELY painful lower back pumps. by the middle of the second week, i couldn't walk around without being in pain. i realize the idea is to save time and get to the peak quicker. he still won't reach that peak until week 5-6, even with the double frontload. as an alternative, i'd recommend bold cyp. there is a domestic source here that sells it.
2) two orals: you're a sharp guy, so i don't have to really tell you why i feel that way. tbol or anavar, not both. personally, i'd go with anavar at the tail end for a solid 6 weeks (15-20). if he runs with the eq cyp, it'll kick sooner than the eq and he will have more time with the hormone at an active level. also, keeping that test dose just right, he'll see some gains very similar to what he can expect with the tbol, yet saving the liver for the var.
to substitute the tbol and get results about the same timeframe, he can frontload one week each for test/eq-cyp, or run a prop kicker with a 1 wk eq-cyp frontload. this provides quick results of solid/lean gains.
looking at these test doses, i'm assuming that he is wanting to go with the lean bulk for this cycle?
RustyhookerBoom! ^^^
The two orals was kind of an option thing but I also wasn't sure that since they are both milder compounds if he could get away with running both just not concurrently.Personally I prefer Anavar but you already know how I feel about that compound.
The frontload on the EQ I can see your point. He's already bought his EQ I believe and it's dosed at 400mg per ml. He is wanting to go for a lean bulk since summer is around the corner so it worked out well that his test is dosed @500mg. Can he just do a frontload of the Test for one week or can he use his test prop for a kicker. This way we use one oral. We don't frontload the EQ and he can get a quicker kick in time with the test. I know he'd feel the test before the EQ anyway.
I was just trying to work with what he already has without him having to go buy other gear. We did end up switching the Adex for the Aro for estro rebound reasons.
First out I wanna thank my man Abaddon for all the input and help he's helping me with, since the only way of communications is a cellular device.
I am all in for suggestion though Abaddon is right. I already have everything on hand except some hcg, I can save the tbol for another cycle if it saves my liver. Just didn't know from where I was going to have them so spaced out. I've never ran the eq but I've done a lot of reading and that's where I got the idea of front loading the eq for at least one week and possibly even the test. Just trying to get all theses suggestions where I can crunch everything to one great lean bulk cycle that will hopefully make me have a small transformation. First pin I am wanting it to be by June 24.
Thanks everyone for the input and suggestions. And again Abaddon thanks brother for everything
It's no problem at all, Bro. I'm glad to help. It benefits both of us cause we both got schooled on a couple of things. You had two of the most knowledgable guys on here for advice to show you and I both that are more than one way to skin a cat. When it comes down to it I would D's and Rusty's advice over a lot more cats on here.
Gotcha. Yeah, bro. I'd just go with a pro kicker. I'd rather see him do a one week frontload and save the oral for a dry finisher, or just wait for the eq to kick.
Although there's a bit of a gap between orals, the liver is still taxed with degrading the 17aa, and there isn't enough time for recovery IMO.
Would rather suggest kicking at 100mg EOD or 200mg EOD. Same thing for the taper. 100 or 200 EOD?
For me, I like 100 ED for the kicket. Works better with fewer sides. That's me tho. Then drop back to EOD for the taper.
I am here brother. I just now jot this to be able to pull up. My home boy has my stats for most part
25
5"3
155
Around 11% bf
I know I started young but was tired if being little. I have ran test only cycles. Just wanna know what some veterans insight is.
RustyhookerRegardless of your goals, you gotta learn to eat. Or you'll lose it all after.
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/its-not-the-gear
For the most part I eat like a horse. The warmer weater put a dent in it from where I work outside all day. I usually keep a lot just lose a little due to bloat. I do lots of reading and research. I believe I am eating 3000-3500 cal a day
RustyhookerGiven your stats....you'd better hit 6000 calories a day. I'm your same height and have been up to 205cut. Its ALL about food or you're better off lighting the roids on fire. Remembet....you came here for real advice. You got it.
Shit that's a lot of calories guess I just gotta force more food down the hatch. I appreciate the advice
RustyhookerYou can meet or exceed any goal. Gear simply boosts recovery. Food rebuild the muscles. Good luck bud...you can do it!
So on aromasin you only take it when your estrogen levels are too high? It's not something you take every day?
One more quickie, hcg would you recommend that for a 18 wk cycle. I usually only run 10 was but I wanna get the full effects on this longer one.
RustyhookerAromasin is an every day ai. Wait til estro signs Pop up so you dont crash your estro. 6.25Ed is a low start when estro pops up. Thats why week 6 bloods are important. Keeping estro in range creates a better growth.
Hcg.....I've never needed it. But if you get bad shrink then 500iu split for last 6 Weeks as needed. If balls plump right back up...hold off. Ai is typically run anytime hcg is in effect. It has some estro conversion.
Thanks bro for sharing. Just didn't wanna crash hard. My libido takes a real hard crash when I come off just a 10 wk cycle. I just wanna have all the precautions
I would cut out the tbol. Too much going into the system the first couple weeks. JMHO.
I like opinions! Thats exactly why I posted it up.:-) If we were going to drop the Tbol, I was thinking the he could either taper in with prop or front load the test as well. Either way he'll notice the test before the EQ. Also if he drops the Tbol that will save him some money and save his liver for a longer run of Var at the end.
RustyhookerStats? Priors? I dont like double dippin orals. Var at end is last 6Weeks. If cutting lower test 2Weeks prior to finish.
dirty_d where ya at?
I'm not a fan of double dipping either but I figured since it was 2 mild compounds run non-consecutively with liver protection he could get away with it. He's on here. I have sent him the link to this thread. His stats say
Age:25
Hiegh: 5'4
Weight: 155
Prior: Test only cycles.
Obviously, if he has none to very little experience, everything will be re-evaluated and we will start from scratch. Below is what he sent me in PM as his regular idea. Up above is what I suggested but I'd rather have it out here so we can have more opinions and that way we both can learn from it.
Hey man just wanted to see what u think of this cycle. Advice or suggestions welcome
Te 500. Wk 1,2. 1000mg
3-14. 625mg
Eq400. 1,2. 1000mg
3-14. 500mg
Tbol. 1-2,5. 50mg Ed
4-5. 100mg Ed
Test prop. 15-18. 200 mg eod
Anavar. 14-15,18. 50mg Ed
16-17. 100 mg Ed
Hcg 3-18. 300iu. Ew
Clomids. 100/100/50/50
Nolvadex. 50/50/50/50
RustyhookerMidget power! Im short too...lol.
Like above...no tbol.. If he frontloads.....I'd just roll with it.
Hcg last 6wks IF needed. The rest i put above keeps it simple. 3wk prop taper....6Weeks var 50 split am/pm
I'm 5'11 so at least I know that you look up to me! Bahahaha. J/k. While I have you on here I was wondering if you could explain to him (and me) exactly what an estro rebound is, how Adex can cause one and Aro will prevent it. I figured it was a sudden spike in estro levels at the end of cycle before and/or maybe during pct.
RustyhookerAdex binds to estro and holds onto it....as long as you continue the use of the adex. Stopping and the medication lets the remaining estro free and back into your system. Rebound.
Aro is a suicide inhibitor. It grabs/binds that estro til the estro is gone from the system. It does not let go.
Blood tests are the only way to properly block excess estro and grow. Estro is very important as a hormone. Keeps joints lubed, keeps cells full of fluids etc. Too lil and you don't grow, squeaky joints etc. Too much and you can be bitchy, lethergic,, no arousal.
Keeping ai on hand and use as needed when symptoms appear. Blood test at week 6 gives a helping hand in knowing bodies reactions.