posted Sun, 12/28/2014 - 13:39
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I know this topic should not need any discussion on a site where we inject every single day. But sadly it is. I can not believe how many people I talk with that do not aspirate or even know what it means. If your going to go through the process of giving yourself an IM than learn all the proper shit you need to know first. This is serious stuff. Yes aspirate even in the delts! I make sure to not fucking budge the pin when I pull back slightly and when I finally inject. There are many youtube videos and forums on this so please study them before you inject if you have even the slightest question about the process.
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I am pretty moderate by eroid standards, and can get away with just pinning my glutes at this point. And I do aspirate, but for me, it requires a bit more dexterity and flexibility than I posses to do it well with one hand reaching behind me. I feel like I am often making things worse by being unstablewith the pin.
Does anyone have any tips that help them pinning and aspirating glutes? Would pinning quads be safer in that regard?
CoblerWhen i first started i never aspirated, thankfully no problems and im much wiser these days. Ive seen my whole needle fill with blood a few times while aspirating.
moojOne of the only few times I haven't bothered to aspirate I was only shooting .5cc of TNE into lats with a 25g and I'd only shot a drop and christ I felt it go straight through my heart - It felt like I'd had an adrenaline shot straight into it, heart palpitations and everything. Can't imagine what it would be like with something that burns like tren....
Aspirating is a must
Know people who havent. Taking a big risk if you dont.
I appreciate all the responses to this topic. Always good to see the viewpoints of others in this lifestyle. Not like you can just talk about it to anyone.
I have tried aspirating. I use 1" 25g pins and it seems like there is such a vacuum when I pull back and nothing happens. All that does happen is I end up moving the needle around more and cause more pip and tissue damage so I have stopped trying to do it.
After feeling comfortable with my injection sites I stopped aspirating. IMO aspirating is more for IV injections to insure you hit a vain, not so necessary with proper IM injections
I've never seen a doctor aspirate have you? I think you'll be fine.
I guess I can see that if you're dead in the center of a vein and have positive pressure working with it. I'm always fortunate enough to pierce them on the way through, aspirated to no avail, and be surprised after.
Aspiration definitely has its place, but it's pointless to me with a 25 guage pin. Noticing scar tissue build up, I made the change about a year ago. If you've ever tried to draw from a vial with one, you know they don't work so great for that. You'd have to aspirate for minutes to really see anything.
I'm not offering advice. By all means, pull those plungers back. I still do out of habit. But being realistic it's a futile attempt with a smaller guage pin. I rarely get the air bubble, let alone any blood.
Ya if you don't know the exact areas and the proper way to give a intramuscular injection you should probably aspirated. I don't think very many of us went to nursing school so we don't know Exactly what were doing. If you did go to nursing school and know exactly what you're doing then you were not taught to aspirate, you were actually taught it's not necessary and there's no evidence that suggests it's beneficial. Here's a list of associations that say do not aspirate.
Centers for Disease Control (CDC)
Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP)
Department of Health Services (DHS)
American Academy of Family Physicians (AAFP)
U.K. Department of Health (DoH)
World Health Organization (WHO)
"ACIP guidance does not recommend aspirating (pulling back on the syringe plunger once the needle is in the arm before injecting, to see if you get blood return) when administering vaccines. No data exist to justify the need for this practice. IM injections are not given in areas where large vessels are present. Given the size of the needle and the angle at which you inject the vaccine, it would be very difficult to administer the vaccine intravenously."
Regarding IM shots of vaccines so not much different. Vaccines are meant for IM use and will be dangerous if injected IV and they say do not aspirate
"There are data that show that aspiration is more painful for the vaccine recipient. IM injections are not given in areas where large vessels are present. Given the size of the needle and the angle at which you inject the vaccine, it is difficult to cannulate a vessel without rupturing it and even more difficult to actually deliver the vaccine intravenously. We are aware of no reports of a vaccine being administered intravenously and causing harm in the absence of aspiration"
http://m.nursingtimes.net/1952004.article
very well quoted and good article. I was just offering my opinion based on twenty plus years of experience. Not insisting anyone follow it. thanks man
Like I said 99% of us did not go to school for this. In nursing school they show you the exact spot at the exact angle to inject in the glutes delts and quads, I'm sure were all good at it but we don't know the exact spot or angle to be safe like them. I'm sure you're like me if not worse after 20 years you try to change around where you inject slightly in each muscle to avoid hitting scar tissue or buildig up more. Nurses don't do this , they hit that exact spot they know is safe. So with us doing it how we do we should aspirate. Not to mention if you're shooting places like pecs traps lats bi tri. That article was not written regarding those places so it's smart to aspirate. But I say this, when I started doing reaearch on this subject a while back I came across the proper way to asperiate and they stated it must be done for like atleast 10 seconds. I just started to wonder one day at the doctors, I've never once seem them aspiriate so I had to look I to it and see what's up.
Yeah very true man. I move around a lot as I have to do to so much scar tissue.I can not even hit the normal exact spots anymore because of all the scar tissue. Great point I should have mentioned.
Fuck I haven't even been doing this 1/4 as long as you and my ass is riddled with scar tissue I can't even imagine what it's like after 20+ years. Idk how you find a place to shoot lol. I wonder how I can avoid this from occurring? Tons of injection sites maybe. Or slin pins and more of them as opposed to 1 3-4ml shot do 3-4 1ml shots with slin pins.
Yeah man its very tough thats for sure. I really have to hunt for areas. The shoulders are almost impossible now. I have a number of pro friends that inject in all sorts of crazy areas now as they have to because of all the scar tissue. I cant use a slin pin myself as it just causes me way too much pain. If slin pins work for you that that is def a plus. My pro friends just use tons of sites. they shoot their lats, calves, biceps, fucking everything. lol I just cant do that.
I cringe at the thougt of pinning my calves and biceps lol. Those guys are crazy! Next for me to try is my teardrop, lats, triceps and ventro glute if I can ever find the injection site. But I really need a better rotation.
biceps take a while to get used to almost fainted a couple times after pinning lmfao there is definitely a mental factor there.
also the chest at first I liked then pinning there also kinda makes me nervous especially the left side near my heart.
i thought this wasnt discussed much because its a given. apparently not. take the two seconds to pull the plunger back, if youre going through the trouble of sourcing gear, paying for it, getting pins, all your supplies and going through the pain of sticking yourself several times a week why wouldn't you do something so simple?
I can recall a time some years ago when I did not aspirate and I was injecting in my quad. I was about half way through the injection of about 3 ccs when I felt some fucking horrible pain in my chest. I pulled the needle out and threw it across the room in agony and and collapsed on the ground. I coughed for about 20 minutes and felt like I was going to die for sure. Things like that can happen when you do not aspirate.
I see and I realize many feel its not important to aspirate but I feel like I at least need to advise what I think is critical after many fucking years of doing this.
I aspirate every time and was about to stop when boom I hit a blood vessel in my glute. When I pulled back the plunger it filled with blood rather quickly, glad I aspirated and will continue to do so! Especially with 2-3cc pins, Id hate for that to go directly into my veins.
witekit really hurts when you pump gear into your blood vessel
Tink22I did at first I don't do it anymore.
I really only inject glutes and ventros
Sometimes I'll sit tris with a slin pin depending howuch I have in it I may pull back when dose are full it's just not happening. I've aspirated and will still get Tren cough sometimes.
It's not as crucial as I once thought it to be.imo
Why is it so important though?
RustyhookerDirect dose of solvents and oil right into your vascular system. You hear folks cry with tren cough, same happens with any long esters gear as well. It sucks.
Wouldn't you think if you pin with a 25g needle or smaller and you inject slowly you'd notice pain or something? Can't imangine you would be injecting your whole shot into a vein without noticing something is wrong. But idk for sure?
RustyhookerSmall leak into vein makes my chest and lungs warm. Body has to expel the solvent so coughing is where it went for me. Just be safe. Many techniques that work.
havent had problems yet, only tren cough once and it wasnt too bad...i'll stick with what ive been doing cause it seems to work for me...be safe and take your time works great for me!
thetdog623837lets just say you dont aspirate and you hit a blood vessel and you inject whats going to happen?
Well if you inject a big dose of oil based solution directly into your bloodstream its not good. Maybe it will just be uncomfortable and you will get a lot of pain, or maybe it will stop your heart. Its highly unlikely but jesus just aspirate to make sure its not possible. Some people will still get tren cough even when they aspirate as they may have nicked a blood vessel on the way in or out and thats all it will take for the tren.
Soo very true and important-should come natural as doing the whole process imo-very important to do-nice read
Lol, I just schooled a buddy who said "I never aspirate" so true quad