posted Sat, 07/23/2016 - 14:26
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AAS affect thyroid? Gurus help!
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I have read conflicting information about aas and thyroid levels... Some say tren lowers thyroid levels. If so how and why does it burn fat so well? Also some say that other steroids like deca lower thyroid levels, WHILE steroids like a anavar can actually increase t3 levels? Any gurus on here that can clear up some confusion?
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God damn. Did some more digging and found this extremely informative article, it is from another board not written by me. Hope there isn't a problem sharing this because the article is amazing.
http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/showthread.php/43292-The-Effects-o...
I am very curious to the claims that tren lowers thyroid levels, was there a thyroid problem before? Was the measured t3 free or total, because that makes a huge difference as seen with total testosterone or free test, total means nothing if bound to shbg, so we know that the real measure is free. Also people claiming to have lowered thyroid doing lots of cardio? Following low carb diet? Lowered calories? These situations are common with tren use since it is a great addition to cutting regime ans these situations will lower thyroid output by themselves. I will continue to get blood work as time goes on and post my results.
Bro, Tren has been impacting T3 in folks since the shit was invented. I haven't read the article yet but I'm writing this before I read the MD forum that says something else. I don't have any preexisting thyroid problems. None.
OK, now onto the article:
From your article:
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Nice work Mr. Hoffman (author of your article).
So, bro, use Tren. If after a few weeks of use you begin to experience lethargy gradually progressing to the point you find it difficult to get out of bed in the morning go get a blood test and look at your T3 level. If it's in the shitter, you may need to supplement to be functional or you could drop the Tren and wait to feel better. But, as Mr. Hoffman explains, we know it can't be the Tren so feeling like shit while on Tren is just a coincidence and your low T3 level is really the result of some more sinister endocrinological disorder.
Or, whatever you wanna believe bro!!!
Bottom line man - when I and others tell you about real world experiences and side effects of using certain steroid compounds than manifest over and over again with repeated use - you don't go to some article to dispute these facts.
Couldn't have said it better myself. Seeing this kind of thing happening a lot in the forums and even over PM with some guys who I'm helping. I make a suggestion based of some consistent real world experiences and get asked to explain the science and/or show the study that proves what I'm saying. Quite frankly if these guys don't like the advise based on year of experience they can simply not chose to follow it.
This one is new - Tren doesn't decrease T3 according to some study. Bull shit.
I'm waiting for the study that shows also that HGH can't have any effect on T4. I have not seen it yet but I know it's out there or some moron is writing it.
My favorite that comes around at least twice a year is the whole tread about whether or not deca and tren are progestins and whether they impact progesterone and whether they elevate prolactin.
I have lactated on Tren - thick dark gunk oozing out of my nips. My prolactin was sky high. I wasn't using a DA like caber or prami or bromo back then. I do now.
But tren doesn't elevate prolactin according to the study - it can't cause gyno according to the study. More bull.
Then there is the androgen receptor saturation discussion again and again - and my favorite crap about the "lean bulks" "recomps" and "bulk and cut on the same cycle." Those three I have decided to crack down on like it is my mission in life. LMFAO.
Ah yes totally so many "old chestnuts" to pick from we could be exchanging replies on this all day.
That said you know I am with you on the whole lean bulk, recomp and bulk/cut cycles. I'm bashing those down wherever I see them. Oh and on that note I loved your reply to the fella posting his recomp cycle log where you asked him to teach you how he worked his miracle. I see no further replies from him. Speaks words.
Have a blessed Sunday my friend.
RustyhookerBlood test is only real way to know. Just like estro...you might have metro while I need nothing. Don't mess with thyroid without proof
Tren lowers my T3 when I run it. I have to supplement. Not everybody has this problem. That is why you see "conflicting" info. Tren does not "burn fat." It is excellent at "nutrient partitioning" and fuels your muscle cells from your food intake while not laying down much in the way of new adipose tissue if any. But, Tren is not going to correct a bad diet for you bro. That much is certain. Bottom line is you need blood work to see how Tren is affecting YOUR thyroid.
I ran bloods when I was running tren, showed low tsh and t4 but normal, almost low t3? Could be adrenal fatigue I was dieting and doing Keto with cardio, so not sure how it would affect my thyroid normally, but what about steroids like deca and anavar? Or even test?
Test does not lower thyroid production. I know of nobody and have not read anything about Deca adversely affection the thyroid but, of course, I have not read all the academic studies that have been published on nandrolone in the last 50 years. If it has any effect it is not common. As far as var is concerned, I have no idea and have never heard of it, so prolly also not common. Thyroid issues with Tren ARE fairly common.
Also, what some folks refer to as "adrenal fatigue" (which I do believe in, BTW) is also not easy to slip into so I wouldn't rush to the conclusion that you are / were suffering from that.
I have no idea why my tsh and t4 were low then, while t3 was right on borderline of being low but still in range? Also found this to be interesting
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3661817
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12573299
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8473383
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6430603