posted Wed, 05/15/2019 - 15:27
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Real world tren experiences. Muscle builder or fat burner?
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Curious as to people who have real experience with Tren, not just those that have read “it melts fat” or “it’s used to bulk cattle” what their experience with tren is. Do you find you gain muscle on it or just burn fat. Let’s take out any appetite claims and assume diet and training would allow muscle growth, is tren good at adding size? I have used it in the past while dieting and it was excellent but wondering if it is truly worth it to try and gain quality size. I know anadrol, deca, test, and dbol are typical “bulkers” but I am looking for muscle growth, not the scale going up and shirts getting tighter because of water weight.
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I prefer to train without any additional steroids or supplements, as I consider it harmful to health and the muscles will not be real.
Both. Pretty impressive fat/subq water loss as well as putting on lean muscle at a rapid pace. The stuff works well.
Excellent fat burner and family ruiner lol
Yes it's great for losing weight. last time I ran Tren I lost a hundred and thirty pounds and then I dropped the tren and she came back
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Just trying to stay in my own lane these days
PcushionI use tren every cycle no matter what the goal. I fell in love with Tren the very first time I used it. Sometimes I think back and wish I would have left the bottle alone. Fact is Trenbolone is capable of extreme fat loss, extreme muscle growth, a ton of unwanted side effects, it’s also extremely bad for the cardiovascular system. Tren will do whatever your diet tells it to do. For my body I can’t think of any two steroids combined that are capable of doing what tren does but everything comes at a cost and the cost for tren use is very high. So with tren the question is does it burn fat or does it build muscle. The real question you have to ask yourself is what lengths are you willing to go for this goal. If your answer is by any means necessary then pin away. For anyone who hasn’t tried it leave that door closed and if side effects ran you away from it consider yourself blessed.
tren makes you shredded with adding a bit muscle mass, tren is magic compound strong shiiiiet
Tren sucks isn't worth it it doesn't melt fat as fast as people make it out to be. I've burned more fat on deca but everyone is different
Trens no fun. Yeah it works but what price do you want to pay. I want good energy and less sides. I like EQ or npp with test of course.
EQ and nandrolone (or any 19-nor) without any test feels amazing, so the “of course” isn’t quite as of course as may seems. EQ aromatizes about half as much as test so it’s perfect to run instead of test as a “base” compound just to be your functional androgen. Sometimes, mo’ test is just mo’ problems, and sometimes no test is even better
Not that I’m condoning/recommending this. Just speaking purely in hypotheticals. I know people lose their minds sometimes whenever there’s talk about going testless, as though it’s breaking some cardinal sin or something
I don't run test high. I think I have been over 500 mg ew maybe twice just to check it out. Your right mo test is not always better. What would the "base" be considered? The main Andro?
500 mg of test is nuts to me lol. I haven’t gone over about 200 in a couple years almost. I guess any androgen that aromatizes enough to provide adequate E2 to function normally I would consider a base compound
I'm enjoying this now. Nor 19 and low test. High libido, great pumps, clean feeling once u get dialed in. My next one I'm going to try a different androgen.
I mean even alone. Through the years I learned different things and things are still changing. It used to be run test higher than tren. Now it's lower less sides and I'm guessing deca being a 19 nor why would it not be the same? It can all be very confusing but I have to run off some of my own exp also. I have ran test lower than deca and had problems. I'm going to friend request you. We talk more bout it.
PcushionI run tren at 200mg a week and no more. Great results and I know my body appreciates that.
I gain the most size on tren
I don’t get sides as long as I keep doses low.
For me it's best for cutting! Retains muscle on restricted calories. Also, a great muscle hardener and a vascular wonder! I use it with Mast and T3 with Albuterol. The results are outrageous.
Great mass builder but a lot sides, nearly too much but the results are just awesome. But with Test , Deca or Eq and Dianabol you can reach also awesome results with less sides!
It’s incredible for retaining lean tissue while keeping scale weight under control (in the interest of staying in a weight class, for instance) while eating relatively little calories. And of course it does bind to ARs in adipose tissue, leading to lipolysis. That’s got to be one of my biggest pet peeve misconceptions about steroids in general, by the way, when people say they “don’t burn fat.” Lol of course they do. Adipose cells have androgen receptors just like muscle cells do. When androgens bind to fat cell ARs, lipolysis is stimulated, fatty acids get mobilized. Basic physiology. Done and done
Anyhow. Just like how they had to feed cattle substantially less food to “bulk them up,” we can get away with eating substantially less calories on it to build muscle
I say “had to,” past tense, because finaplix H like people used to use to brew tren A with back in the day doesn’t exist anymore. At least not in the States that I know of. Now there’s estrogen added into the fina so the steers don’t get too lean. People generally don’t buy beef without any marbling, so it’s just not profitable to butcher cows who are that lean for meat. Whoops, another tangent. Sorry
Can it be used to bulk? Of course. If one can get down enough food, that is. It does tends to suppress appetite, plus the gastric emptying/heartburn can be brutal.
But for competitive athletes who are trying to control weight without any degradation in performance, it’s a beast for retaining lean tissue while leaning out, even at low doses
For general bulking purposes, if there were no concern with weight classes? I’d prefer nandrolone all day. Much less side effects with very similar end hypertrophic results
Real good input HB as usual mate. I’ve always heard that steroids (maybe not all) don’t burn fat, which I’ve always believed without to much questioning. If you’ve got some studies which confirm that some do I’d be keen to to give them a read mate.
This sums it all up perfectly and in an easy to read fashion:
https://www.t-nation.com/pharma/steroid-dieting
Obviously just skip over the “natural steroid alternative” lip service stuff thrown in there to cover their asses lol
It cites every source I’ve personally looked into at the bottom and then some, so feel free to check out the individual citations in the references if you’re curious about the more nitty gritty science behind it
You know me well, I much prefer the dumbed down version. Cheers ++
jayiskWould say in a basic PL cycle such as Test e/c, dbol or drol, and tren a it could help there. But you need to been on top of you caloric intake esp. carbs. And training for strength and not BB aesthetics on reduced cals.
The way Tren A keeps lean muscle tissue is insane. I was able to eat everything and go to sleep bloated as hell. Even get up 2 to 3 x's a night to eat.
And in the morning i would wake up with a flat stomach.
it is one of the best for strength if you can manage the sides. which means getting in even food, sleep and being hot most of the time. which is rough if you use it to cut and reduce cals.
Exactly, when you take steroids you do so to build muscle and get stronger so therefore you eat heavy and properly rather than starve yourself.
I hope no one is suggesting I’m talking about “starving one’s self” in the name of aesthetics, which isn’t my interest to begin with. I had no choice but to reduce my calories on trenbolone because if I hadn’t, I would have strayed too far above my weight class to be anywhere where I’m comfortable trying to very quickly water cut before weigh ins. The weight was coming on too quickly and I had to make caloric adjustments on the fly based upon the weight class I registered, and paid, to compete under. The OP asked for real world experience; my experience is you can achieve phenomenal lean mass retention and even hypertrophic gains while losing body fat (getting stronger and building muscle is exactly the name of the game there) on reduced calories versus other compounds. I’m not advocating starvation. I hope no one thinks I am. Sorry if I wasn’t clear
Another point to consider; eating properly also involves eating the proper macronutrients to a big extent, and we can somewhat contextually distinguish eating properly from eating heavily (assuming you mean a surplus). I maintain (no pun intended), one can gain lean muscle tissue and get stronger, even if scale weight goes down, in a caloric deficit given protein intake is high enough to facilitate this. In fact, I would consider this the expected norm when properly strength training on trenbolone while recompositioning in a deficit
I wasn't referring to you as I don't take your opinions into account - I was talking about people dieting on trenbolone in general and voiding themselves of carbs and calories.
PcushionTren is a carb whore. Gotta feed this one or lights out.
Exactly buddy - it's why people can't sleep on it either if their bodies are in a fasted state...Then they blame the tren!
Ah. My mistake. Good call, though. I wouldn’t take my opinions into account, either. They’re pretty worthless ;)
‘nuff said. Good write brook’!
RustyhookerDont try tren bulking. Kills my appetite. Cant eat...cant grow. I like eq or npp with an oral for bulking.
Better yet....read makwas post on hgh/igf1lr3 with a simple test provi cycle. Both sides of axis, low dosed and growing.
Achilles412How great is npp
RustyhookerI went with npp the first time just incase i didnt like it tgen i could switch in another item with lil issues. But i did enjoy it a lot!
First run was 300npp and for me...nice! Big meals full pumps and good recovery. Currently on ebc cutter and flipped the quarter....npp it is! Strength and size went up on restricted diet and foods on point, train to failure...ive dropped a ton of fat.
Versatile is a good word for it. Just like eq is versatile.
Achilles412Absolutely. I have ran npp year round at low doses 200 mg weekly w test c at 200 and have held onto a great deal of size and strength. I also used it through prep just at varying amounts. Most pleased w bp n lipid profile during yr long runs never much of a rise. I retired from gear tho had a type 2 diabetes scare. Hows the ebc prep going?
RustyhookerSo close but so far. Lol! I definitly look 100x better but i gotta finish this thing off with a bang or else...
Achilles412Keep at it big fella!
RustyhookerDefinitly!
What do you mean by that question? It’s vague
Achilles412It was a statement. I’m a huge fan of npp it’s my favorite compound overall. Mainly for the “safety” aspect as far as sides as well as the strength gains. So I was just saying I think it’s the tits. Oh and also great post above
An accurate statement at that! Sorry, I misread the tone there. And thanks; I like to nerd out with the biochem every now and then
Achilles412No worries by brother. Keep it up I enjoy the knowledge you share!
Agreed. I only run it once a year, right before summer, Hence right now. I like it with low test, mast and T3. Sprinkle in some anadrol about a week before you go on that beach vacation and everything pops out nice. Make sure your taking all the precautions that come with a 19 nor. Tren can ruin your body vitality if not taken or respected correctly.
RustyhookerGonna try drol with it in future. Maybe ebc bulker? Lol
I have some sitting in a drawer staring at me lol.... I love taking it for two weeks leading up to a summer vacay with the wife and kids, I get stupid pumped and vascular. But yes, NPP/Test/Drol, my go to bulker!
I lose my appetite completely while on tren. I have to force myself to eat
For me tren is best for keeping my muscle mass while I cut fat off.. it is a great recomp drug or as a cutter.. some use to bulk but for me I have trouble eating on tren due to anxiety but some people don't get sides like others do.. Hope this helps
Ya that’s what I’m looking for, what people’s real world experience as far as building muscle or cutting goes. Thanks