+ 55 ESTROGEN AND TEST
I wanted to pop in a quick post about how important estrogen levels are during and off cycle as it pertains to your ability to achieve and maintain goals. I've touched on this before but as I get more and more questions about it in PM I realize its worth another reminder.
So we see people say things like, "I just feel flat or sluggish or I'm not achieving and my test level is very high, whats going on"? Very often the first thing you hear is "my reseptors are smoked or burned out or full or spent etc..." My first question as they report their through the roof test and bad results is "what was your estradial number?" Oh, its only 100 or 150. So there is the problem....as estrogen rises so does se hormone binding globulan. SHBG is a binder that follows around estrogen in numbers and its only job in life is to rob and bind test to save for a rainy day. The only problem there is that the rainy day never comes. This means your high test number doc gave you is not very relevent. If over half of your test is being robbed then you are getting half the benefit of you on or off cycle test and that spells failblog to your goals.
Keeping estro in check is not only as important as keeping test high, it may be more important in the overall picture. If you take off cycle bloods post pct even, and the estradial number is high, take your AI at a half tab eod for a couple weeks and get it under control, its robbing you. Yes , you can take your AI off cycle for short spirts in order to maximize your natty test levels and make them matter. This does not mean we want them too low thinking "even more benefit". Its not, estrogen is a very important hormone in your goals. And should be kept in the 28-50 range ballpark and really only "killed" in a pre-comp where one wants to dry out. when you see numbers over 80 you are hurting in the test department no matter how high test level shows to be....did not even touch on all the other nasty shit high estrogen drags around with it but you get the point here, check yourself, before you wreck yourself bitchezzzzz! PEACE OUT!
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Bro where the fuck did you come from??!!
I like your posts bro, Ive come across a few over the past few days. Thanks for sharing that knowledge. Im going to do a bit more research but I think its aromasin rather then adex for me from now on. +3
dbolzPart of the reason i rejoined was the influx of pros comming in so it works both ways i am really happy that i can learn from the pros here. Always glad to help when i can bro. You will never look back once you switch to aromasin.
tread-mIts so individual shrap, very hard to say. Such as, I have a guy who knows his aromasin is good and has to stay on it non-stop eod or it
Spikes quick, thats just to keep it normal range on cycle. Another person could do that and crash estro, lose the wood, joint pain, sluggish poor gains etc etc. The absolute ideal situation is to get bloods not using any estro reducer while on cycle, on cruise and off cycle if not trt and see what the numbers are doing. Running at it blind one could run a half tab (12.5) aromasin eod for 10 days and off 10 days and might find medium to great results. With myself I have come to know my body so well I tend to be able to see the signs which usually mean I'm flat, lost the walk around pump and vascularity to some degree. In that scenario if I'm on a pretty good cycle I can pop in the Aromasin eod and the veins pop within 3 days or after second hit. Obviously this is in a situation where a ton of water is not present otherwise its just obvious. Estro can spike with someone drinking a ton of water and limiting salt and those real obvious signs are not there. Really comes down to just learning yourself and knowing the things that should be happening and if they are not knowing whats causing it. This is one of the reasons we push these new guys to start with test only and only add one compound per cycle. It will be impossible to ever learn your body and the response to each compound and certainly combinations if one comes in way to fast, multiple compounds etc. Its like driving with a blindfold, clueless and just constantly battling the sides and not knowing whats going on and why. They then just start throwing shit at the wall hoping something sticks. Having said all that I've seen a few people do very regular bloods and estro stayed perfect whole run without an AI at all. That will be the exception to the rule but those people are out there. I think the 10 on 20 off eod half tab on may be a good place to start if running blind without the roadmap of bloods. Wish we all had labs in our homes and could watch it all day by day! Lol...perfect world
I know this is a older post but still relevent.
I have been on TRT for a long while (Axiron gel). I had good libido and energy.
I recently switched to injections. I am doing 250mg Test E a week (only in third week).
Also since I dropped the Axiron, I chose to pin Test Prop 100mg/eod for 4 weeks to kickstart or better yet, to maintain my existing Axiron test levels.
Well...I have seen nothing but a strong decline in libido and energy. On the 40+ forum I was advised to up my AI dose (was .25mg Adex EOD). I did .5mg one day and started doing .25 ed. I thought I was starting to get libido/energy back but now I kind of feel not...back to no libido low energy.
What direction should I take at this point? bloodwork would be good but trying to hold off abit from going in to doc for bw.
Anyway...should I up the AI dose? What is suggested here?
Thanks Tread. this is some good info! So where does and how does hcg fit into the whole estrogen battle?Once again ty so much tread and viking and everyone else for your time and effort.
Just closed a guy down in HCG section advised him to come and read this! hope he does it was exactly the info he needed.
Great post again brother,thanks for keeping us all on our toes re/estrogen issues,very important to all of us to be savvy with these issues +3.
tread-mAppreciate the referal, thats why we work in the same clinic! Lol
dbolzGreat post as always from the guru but imo it should be considered as part deux:
Some great info from the guru here are well:
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/estrogen-discussion
tread-mYeah I knew I had it here a time or two...get a lot of queestions on it and then some just have no idea. I've learned a lot more about it myself with two other vulgar hormones it brings into play and may hit that later too....its like herpes though, you gotta control it! Lol
dbolzIndeed it is mate you are one of the lucky ones at least you can control it one week here and there and you are all sorted. I just posted part one cause the mention of shgb and its effects is rare in this forum and its importance is significant. Now we got all parts in one place
another great post by our resident guru.