+ 3 Tren vs DHB
I have been reading up on both compounds and curious to hear the thoughts of others. Here is the scenario:
Assume that this person's goal is to lean bulk and has their food and training intensities dialed in to a tee. They have made great gains on the last 5 cycles (all cycles never over 1g/wk) and want to try something a little more advanced or "hardcore." They would rather push food and push training intensities over pushing more drugs and take more of a slower approach to gaining the size. This person also has no interest in competing yet but sees that they would like to in the future. So, this cycle would be more as an experiment and documented throughout. This person gets bloodwork done once a month to always keep a gauge on where different values are at.
- Which would be better for someone to start with if they have no experience with either? The main concerns are DHB PIP/swelling and the typical Tren - short fuse/night sweats/insomnia.
- What do you think is the lowest effective dose for each compound?
- If you were a coach and this scenario came up, would you feel comfortable with someone taking either of these drugs after completing 5 cycles?
- Is the ratio of gains 1:1 with each compound or would it take 300mg of DHB to get similar effects of what 150mg of tren could provide? Thoughts?
- What are the effects on blood work for either compound?
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For me, DHB felt a lot more like EQ, nothing like Tren
Try dhb first.
It gave me nice roundness to my shoulders and no mental side.
Tren is magical the first few times, but tren is evil if you are not a moderate person then you will return despite all its disadvantages.
The side effects are what they are but socially the tren makes you so impatient, insomniac...
The slightest thing irritates you and you even end up waiting for the spark that will allow you to explode. I'm exaggerating but that's almost it.
But tren is magical and as I said tren is evil and it reminds you every time...
When everything is going well you are the king of the world but the slightest grain of sand...
If you don't compete avoid it, you can do beautiful things without it.
This should be on every Tren bottle. I always have it tamed until week 11 or 12 with Tren enth then the insomnia makes me insane.
beyond aggressiveness, impatience... insomnia only amplifies these side effects
Indeed brother. In my 20s I used to smoke weed to sleep and relax. I’m 40 now with kids, can’t do it like I used to and it definitely effected me these recent times. As much as I love Tren, I don’t think I’ll use it again unless acetate form.
If you go with DHB use it right away. It WILL crash of you save it
Your goal is bulk, tren shines best in a deficit. Simple as that. Use DHB.
Unless getting on stage, no real reason to run tren IMHO.
300 tren e and 200 test e. I like masteron e at 200 as well but it can cause a lil snappy attitude.
Bounty HunterSnappy like get you banned again snappy?? Rusty stupid hooker. Can’t snitch anymore bfg kicked you tiny i wanna be a big boy ass out. Jump off a troll bridge dumb little do you even lift bro hooker.
So you mother and wife go by mrs hooker.
Kick rocks fucking troll boy.
First thing I would like to say is short fuse is BS. It’s the person not the gear. As for the choice if you are new go with DHB but do your research. Choose a lab that’s reputable and uses a good oil like peach seed oil that may help the pip issue. If you choose Tren go with Parabola also with the peach seed oil. I’m my experience it makes a huge difference.
Maybe to an extent it's the person but it 100% will increase your aggression and make you more easily agitated. It's one of the things that makes it so great in the gym, that aggression can fuel you but it can be a negative when interacting with the general public
I’m not disagreeing with you but aggression to fuel a workout has many other things involved that the body goes through when working out but that aggression isn’t as pronounce while you are inline a ShopRite. I just think too many people blame their actions on circumstance or meds and so on. Of course high testosterone definitely can cause an increase in aggression but if you know you can’t control that aggression we have no business being on gear. That’s just my 2 cents but I do agree with you view as well.
ShopRite/Pathmark...that's a NJ/NY Eastcoast thing
until you get behind a lady who's paying in change and there's a screaming kid behind you throwing shit off the shelves while the mother does nothing.
Or the fat ass who parks herself in the middle of the aisle, aggravating. Or the blue haired old lady who has an entire cart load from the no-frills aisle at the A&P Market…
That’s ok they are old hopefully we won’t be like that one day. But I have a new biggest pet peeve. Everyone in the gym on the phone. I’m waiting for machines and people just sit on machines texting onX on FB so now I walk up and say “‘how many texts you have left”. That there is fighting level aggravation. Some guys give me attitude but I’m done play with social
Media bitches. I told LA fitness to start a new policy no phone usage in the gym or put a signal blocked. It really is annoying.
Hahahaha that’s an exception.
Although I love Tren, no one should use unless competing. I think the best compound is primo if you can afford it or tolerate Pip.
I wonder if you post a forum asking Primo vs DHB what type of responses you’d get.
My favorite is trenbolone acétate. This IS not for New user... ------
I was getting crazy pip from Primo 200 and Sus.
I ordered some gear from a trusted lab that uses peach seed oil and mixed them and zero pip. Prior it was debilitating for a week or more now it’s not even noticeable.
I used a very welll known lab that uses peach seed oil but didn’t realize what the carrier oil was. Turns out I was allergic to the oil and had hives all over my body. It’s too bad because I pulled great blood work and no pip lol. Even primo 100 mgs gives me Pip so until I find a lab that doesn’t have Pip, I use low dose Tren otherwise I would only use primo.
Damn Simon that’s some shitty luck. I had 5 bottles of Primo 200 and still have some left. The pip was crazy but I kept pinning it but now that I got the lab I’m feeling excellent. Zero pip thank god. The pip was so bad it was effecting my mood and my performance at work.
Yeah, I know what that’s like. I know more is better with primo but I’m going to try one last lab in January running it about 6 months at 400 mgs with a trt dose. I really hope this works out because I’ve said over and over it’s the only compound I would run if I can find Pip free primo.
Maybe you can find something that mitigates the hives. I’m not sure if that’s possible but I have a friend who breaks out from all clothes detergent and his doctor prescribed him something that completely stops that from occurring.
I used a Zyrtec everyday but I’m actually allergic to peaches so I feel it’s just best to stay away from that lab all together. I’m faithful I’ll find a painless 100mg product.
I’ll keep everyone updated because I know using Tren in all my cycles isn’t a solution but I really do experience primo like effects using low dose tren and sides have been very manageable.
Ph@@@@@@M Tren Hex is very good and it’s not Peach. Good luck buddy.
Hahahaha thanks my bro. Someone has said Tren is the meth of steroids and the truth is, I really enjoy meth lmfao. Yeah, I need to stop.
You ducking nut lol. I showed my girl your Gilgamesh comment she was disturbed by it and by me think it was great.
So the truth of the story is that every woman I have ever been with was disturbed at first but they followed me like a cult leader after a while. I truly absorb my inspiration from myths and legends of human history. Even knowing quotes from hermetic tablet or book of Enoch. I was in a bad place in my life in 07/08 and for whatever reason I obtained strength and perseverance through reading these texts. I have a group I meet with on a seasonal basis to share psychedelic experiences or share our journeys and perspectives of what we uncovered in our readings. I married a woman who accepts me for me. I’m not an ordinary person but I don’t strive to succeed at the expense of others and have always treated everyone with respect. This site has also helped me tremendously when I joined in 2012 and many members eventually accepted me for being a nut. I’ve been humbled on many occasions through life’s journey.
Very interesting Simon. I think you just gave me an idea of what to do today. I may read a little. Thanks buddy
JasonmcsherryWith DHB, using 2 legit sources at 100mg/ml I didn't get any pip. But I rarely pip.
I don't get much from dhb, even when running it at 500mg for l6 weeks. But it works wonders for others. We are all different.
For me personally Tren is hands down more effective but the mental sides for me are intolerable but everyone reacts differently to different compounds.
SwaveyDNice write up red.
I can’t truly comment as I’ve never used either compound. But it’s interesting reading others thoughts and perspectives.
DHB would be the first step. 5 cycles under your belt then you are ready for it. I have had DBH that has left me with a golf ball sized lump and I have had 250mg DHB pinned solo that I couldn't even tell where I pinned it was so smooth. All depends on the brewer. Don't buy 6 bottles worth without testing for pip first though. 100mg should have minimal pip and next to none if blended with something. I will say there is some really good 200mg/ml DHB with very minimal pip.
A coach isn't going to care if it is your first cycle or tenth cycle. You will be on test/tren/mast. Drugs are easy for a coach. you want someone who knows how to tailor your diet and water manipulation and how to successfully prepare for peak week. Me personally though, I would have them on some concoction of test/DHB/mast as the base and then we would fine tune with orals and injectable mtren. I have said this before, I get firsts and overalls when I use DHB and I don't with tren so tren can fuck off as far comp prep.
Gains are going to boil down to diet and workout program for the most part. I basically see DHB and tren as equals with DHB much lighter on the nasty side effects. They both will make you sweat like a whore in church but DHB doesn't mess with your mind like tren does. I have also known people who have had to go on dialysis because they ruined their kidneys using tren. Tren will also trash your lipids much more than DHB.
This is the jumping off point for a run of DHB
https://www.eroids.com/forums/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/my-experience-w...
Thanks for the perspective. I have read practically all of your writeups that you have posted on this site and they have significantly helped me over the last 5-6 months. Your DHB post is fantastic.
I didn't find DHB pip to be unbearable but it is noticeable. I would pick any compound over Tren since it's use resulted in beta amyloid plaque accumulation in rodent brains. Normally extra plaque is removed in sleep but given the Alzheimer's risk and bad effect on cholesterol it would be tough for me to consider the compound again but the freakiest I looked was on a tren/mast/test cycle. If you do run it don't use pramipexole use cabergoline
I didn’t know that Tren led to BA plaque, that shit is terrifying. Dementia as a whole, and particularly Alzheimer’s has been increasing for many years among the populace. Fuck all that
+1 Yea that seems to be true. I'm with ya.
it was in this website that I first learned about it and also 'more plates more dates' mentioned it. I think it's the right thing to do to bring it to people's attention I've tried to talk to influencers / coaches about it but they'll claim there isn't enough data to take it seriously. Could be just not wanting to change their protocol though
I read that article and I think Tren is toxic overall but that BA plaque Is drained every night when we sleep. Tren disrupts sleep cycles so of course it can lead to that plaque building up but there are also other things that can trigger plaque build up not even using Tren. The article even states it’s dose dependent. I’ve realized eating carbs late on Tren completely amplifies the negative side effects like night sweats or sleep disruption. Since I’m on carnivore or carnivore fruit diet, I’m averaging 6 hours a night which is pretty standard for me ok or off cycle. If I’m on GH at 2iu a day, I average 8 hours. There’s no reason to use Tren unless you’re competing which I’m not but I just wanted to add there are other factors that can lead to that plaque building up that has nothing to do with Tren but rather poor sleep, as it’s drained every night if we’re hitting that deep REM sleep.
The Dementia rumour has been doing the rounds for years mate, it was being mentioned back when I first ever started using it. All I will say is think about this Simon, imagine all the thousands and thousands of Bodybuilders over the years that have hammered the hell out of it for competitions and all sorts - plus the hundreds of thousands of recreational users. Have you ever seen a single well known Bodybuilder that we know of in an interview now diagnosed with dementia or anyone else speaking of it in the papers blaming it on all the Trenbolone he use to run? I never seen or heard of a single person. Compare that to the number of guys we have seen die of heart attacks or multiple organ failure often involving trenbolone.
If I’m not mistaken, DHB has its own effects on kidneys.
And Liver supposedly.
Agreed. I really think everything is dose dependent. Although Tren is a harsh compound, there are several factors involved when determining what caused ailments. I still think there are oral compounds that are far worse.
Anyway, what did you say your name was again?
Gilgamesh ?
+1 Now that's deep. I remember seeing that beta amyloid plaque issue and I always remembered that. No doubt I think that shouldn't be ignored.
I haven't ran DHB yet, although I do have a vial here for some point so cannot directly comment on it but can post what I have seen others say. DHB is supposed to give 70% of the results of what Tren does in terms of strength gains. With trenbolone everyone experiences the side effects differently - some go insane straight away and virtually have a mental breakdown as witnessed on here many times, while others remain calm and virtually no different. Night sweats you are pretty much guaranteed to get so just make sure you hydrate very well from the moment you get up and through out the day. Nightmares and broken sleep there is not much you can do about. If you have a pressurised job where you HAVE to get your full sleep every night then I would reconsider it. Lowest effective dose for Tren ace is 350mg/wk, with this you will experience very little sides also. The effects of trenbolone on bloodwork are quite simply HORRIFIC so be prepared for this - everything will get worse including Liver enzymes and levels, Cholesterol, Kidney flow rates/markers you name it and how bad they get is reflective of how high a dose you run but more importantly how long you choose to stay on it. It is also worth noting that DHB is supposed to be quite liver toxic also. If someone has 5 cycles under their belt I see no problem trying either, chances are if you have run that many you will be eager to see what all the fuss is about tren especially as I have seen you are into powerlifting, and tren is one of the best strength gaining compounds there is. Just make sure you get it fixed into your head that you are going to come off when you say you will - it can be extremely tempting to keep pushing it as it is just so effective.
I know this is old but, very well done Press.
Dude thanks so much for this post. This is extremely helpful. And it definitely brings things into the picture that need to be assessed. I love the no BS, straight to the point information that everyone here has provided. There is a time and place for everything and simply tren does not fit the needs of a non-competitor.
I meant to mention also that if you are into your squats and deadlifting then it makes them much harder to train in terms of multiple reps and volume. Just doing the single reps its not that bad - you get use to the breathlessness it creates. But damn you go for that Max Triple on Deads and for five minutes afterwards you will first be wondering if you are about to have a heart attack its racing that bad, and second if you will EVER get your breathe back LMAO The pay off is however that it creates surges in strength. I can't comment on how good it is in terms of body changes because I have never trained for that reason, just to get stronger and hopefully bigger.