posted Tue, 02/28/2023 - 22:51
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Currently running test e 400 MG. Week, tren e 250 MG. Week, superdrol 5 days a week ( gym days) on week 8 of 20 week cycle. Joints feel terrible, shoulder and elbow. Wanting to add low dose deca for joint comfort. Looking for the community's input on a good low dosage or even if it's a good idea, I've read several conflicting opinions. Thanks for the input fellas
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Catalyst hit nail on the head advising you to keep a close eye on your Haematocrit levels, especially with the length of your cycle. Your Haematocrit is going to creep up even on a test only cycle for 20 weeks and the tren is going to amplify that. Adding deca to the mix, even at a low dose may not have a huge impact on your Haematocrit levels in and of itself, but added to the increases from the test and tren could put you at high risk of dangerously high blood pressure, seizures, etc. If you aren't a regular blood donor it is a great way to hedge against AAS induced elevated Haematocrit levels.
I have a fair few issues with joints destroyed from years of this weird hobby we all love. Deca at low dose helps me a great deal, but I’d suggest a couple of other things too.
1) Advise drop the weight, up the volume (if you can). Reps rather than big weight. Only continue on.that path if it makes a difference. If I train heavy heavy heavy, my dodgy joints tell me about it real quick. So I back off the weight and push more volume.
2) Get blood work. Particularly get you Haematocrit checked, (effectively your blood viscosity). If it creeps up, joints can tend to get more grumpy and any arthritis gets worse.
Hope things improve.
Great advice. Just had Bloods done 3/29 everything looks good. I do therapeutic phlebotomy frequently. Was not aware of point #2 will definitely keep that in mind. Weird hobby we all love.. soo true. Thanks for your advice and experience
Well followed suggestions and took a few days off from gym. Damn hard to do mid cycle, damn hard to do period. Feeling a lot better. Work up this morning with one of the best pumps ever! All over pump can really feel all the muscles I've been murdering for so long. How often and for how long do ya'll usually rest?? Or just listen to your body and quit pushing so damn hard?
I had some joint issues as well recently I was running test e at 750 a week tren e 400mg a week and cycling off and on anavar every 4 weeks at 40 MG a day. I was simply getting too strong for my joints to handle. With some advice from someone not on this forum I dropped my test dose down to 250mg a week and kept my ego in check and lifted lighter for a few weeks and now no more shoulder pain. I'd suggest letting the body heal rather than trying to hide the pain take some short term rest to avoid long term problems
I get this way on superdrol and masteron, especially when not taking enough rest days. Given that blood work is in check with e2, I suggest taking a break from the gym just for a couple days.
You could try different forms of training that put less strain on the joints and tendons.
Yes taking low dose of Deca or adding some fish oil may help but you should look for the solution that doesnt involve using more first.
TricepatopsSounds like you crashed you estro or dropped estro to low. Mast on a cycle did that to me and when my estro gets low joints hurt.
Contest prep last few weeks so yes estro was low. The only times i use mast is for contest prep
Just for future reference do you think its the superdrol or the mast?
Ive only ran mast at very low bf% for contest prep which means my joints were already dying.
Superdrol increases my strength significantly which puts more strain on joints and tendons.
Overall, I think mast has a bigger impact on my joints but both of them do in a drying way.
Also maybe start some joint mobility type work in your warmup. I know for me if I do certain shoulder mobility work in my warmup it greatly reduces my shoulder pain on pressing movements.
May be just lifting to heavy. Happened to me and my elbows. they are better now but yea it did suck. Not sure if Deca or NPP will really help like you want it to. I mean MAYBE BPC 157 or TB 500 but even then Im would maybe just stick to lower weight.
GunShow22inI feel your pain man. I have run low dose deca with tren and it has helped a bit without any undesirable sides.
For my torn up shoulders I do rotator cuff strengthing exercises for 10-15 mins a couple times a week. This has worked wonders for me. Any laxity/instability in the joint will cause pain when lifting.
I am around your age thinking of taking the leap and running a long round of HGH in hopes it will help restore my joints over time.
Best of luck with the rest of your cycle.
You must be going too heavy. Deca will just make you feel better, it’s not going to cure it. That Tren and Superdrol has you a lot stronger for sure, but you have to know when to back off, because If you keep pushing heavy weight, you’re bound to fuck yourself up to the point where you won’t be able to lift at all for a while, and that’s really going to suck. I would go lighter/ more reps for a while until they heal. What you really need is rest.
Hell yeah! Thanks fellas. I am a heavy repair mechanic by trade, have been for 25 years. The joint stuff has just hit me past few years. I I'm conscious now of the way I work and do things differently according to the impact it has on my body. Sometimes it still takes a toll regardless, especially with added aggression in the gym. Have not used deca yet, excited to see if I can get any relief with it, just wasn't 100% sure about throwing it in with tren. Would like to throw it in with my current cycle just kind of keeping things light to help with sides. It's a marathon not a race. Already up about 12 lb and loving it. Definitely will dump the superdrol and add in dbol, looking at Anadrol too will that dry me out?. Have not done Bloods yet since my last cycle it's on my to-do list to get scheduled, And as always shout out to Rusty for the coupon codes. Have not run any AI yet, I do have it on hand but haven't had any sides so far. I do take vitamins and supplements, collagen along with liver support. Trying to stay healthy and get big at the same time
The Deca or NPP is fine to put in with the Tren bud, you are running both at low doses anyhow - I use to do it all the time and they work brilliant together. If you have never used it before then wow you are in for some nice lifting from now on, EQ works better overall as it helps with collagen synthesis but its whether you can handle the compound or not, many don't like the anxiety and high BP it brings including me. Powerlifters often run a joint replenishing cycle that includes Test, EQ and Deca along with BPC 157 and TB500 to repair and ease joints. Dbol will provide more water in the joints, tendons and muscle than Adrol I have found, helps them feel more spongy and like an elastic band lol
Looks like you are approaching 40 in your profile so this is the time as I found, where shoulder joints and tendons really aren't what they use to be especially if you enjoy benching and shoulder pressing etc. When cycling now I HAVE to run some kind of wet compound to get water in there whether it may be NPP, Dbol etc. Without it I simply cannot lift heavy without soreness during training and then soreness that lingers for days after. Although tren helps heal tendons it also makes you much drier during training due to sweating all the time during sleep and lifting. So the 2 things I make sure I do nowadays is add in NPP/Deca and I also meticulously supplement with Collagen peptides, Vit C to increase collagen synthesis, BCAA's to reduce soreness, Glucosamine & Chondroitin. Do not eliminate all estrogen either with AI's. You would be better getting rid of the Superdrol as it is not a wet compound and add in Dbol if you tolerate it well. Makwa is a big fan of Dbol
If your joints are hurting they are telling you something so I would listen to them. Adding nandrolone won't fix them only mask the underlying cause and by ignoring that you can really injure yourself and put you out of gym. I would personally back off any heavy weights. The SD probably isn't helping either.
Shit thats definitely the best answer I've read , itsike taking pain pills to mask the real problem, never a good idea.
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Spot on!
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RustyhookerJoints....bloods taken? Ai used?
It's kinda tough if you're already running tren. People say say not to combine two different 19 nors
But a low low dose say 150mgs a week should wk for joint support. Perhaps take the superdrol out.