High DHT sides completely normal?
Hey guys, there is always talk about E2 levels and side effects but I rarely see any talk about dihydrotestosterone levels. Is that just because it’s a given when running more anabolics? I ask because I’ve been on trt for a while and recently ran a higher test dose of just 180mg for 12 weeks to see how I’d respond . I’m 38 180# around 15% BF and these were my results.
Total 1380
Free T 304
E2 75
DHT 186
Now I had zero E2 sides and felt great. But my high DHT gave me oily skin and back acne (really more like obliques and shoulders) already even at only 180mg of test cyp. Now of course I’m nervous of hair and even more acne issues if I run higher testosterone or wanted to add another anabolic like npp or mast in the future.
Is this just the nature of the beast and I gotta take the bad with the good on the DHT side? Or would a good second cycle maybe just be low dose compared to other at say 150cyp/150mast or 150test/75npp?
Thanks in advance as always
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Fix that e2...jeezes.
You're NOT on trt doses...so be real. What are you running and why? Goals? Prior use?
Micro dose bs doesn't do crap. How your body reacts....GENETICS....predicts outcome
What’s wrong with E2 at 75? I can’t speak for the OP, but mine rarely is ever in range and always on high side, zero sides and feel great, I just run high e2 and it works for me
I feel fantastic with it at 75 and also zero sides. My sides only come from the high androgens with oily skin and some acne. Blood pressure perfect. All lipids and blood markers spot on.
My E2 is always high as giraffe pussy, and high e2 is not a bad thing necessarily, you actually need e2 to support muscle growth. Now I’m not saying it works for everyone, but for me, I run best on really high e2 and I rarely get sides, if I’m at 130 or so, I tend to get some spicy nipples, when that happens I treat the symptoms, wait a couple weeks and pull labs
Agreed, but, Lowering the E2 could increase DHT side effects, such as hair shedding Because it competes with DHT in the scalp. Should definitely still do it, but just needs to be careful.
Milky breasts vs hair.....insanity. Get nizerol or quit steroids
But to be clear, I don't have any hair anyway lol, been bald since my mid 20s, before I knew anything about steroids
I don't know what all the fuss is about, personally, I think you would look great with a nice rack. I get it though. Not everybody could look that fabulous.
Boom! Hahaha
That was not my trt dose. That was my 12 weeks into trying a higher test dose to see how I respond. Before trt, a couple years ago, I was naturally at 314 total and 50 free confirmed multiple times and was always around the same levels. It’s been a blessing to finally feel good again.
I’ve only ever run trt. And then that 12 weeks of a “higher” test dose. Mini cycle I guess you could call it. My goals is ultimately to figure out a good way to go a bit further with some other compounds. I have been researching a couple years on aas and I find it fascinating. Definitely not the type that just does things without thoughtful research. This forum has a ton of knowledge I’m super grateful for aswell.
Ok so theres a 12 week 'cycle' ....your estrogen is too high....like trying a proper cycle of test only isn't available??
What's your end goals? Getting rest of bloods back to normal first?
Yes I’m just going back to baseline for a bit. What do you suggest? Run test only again but maybe pull labs at week 6 and now that I know e2 goes high learn how to manage it correctly on the second 6 weeks? There is a lot of conflicting opinions on e2. Most I see say don’t touch it unless you have sides. Which I did not. I see a lot of people like to keep it even higher than I reached.
Like I said previously my end goals is just like most people here, eventually be able to correctly utilize some other compounds in the future on top of test.
I found that ghk copper, ru, and micro needling stops my hair loss when I'm taking dht like mast and reverses it when I'm not on DHT products.
Interesting. Did the copper help with oily skin or acne ? I’m a big peptide believer maybe I should pick up some more ghk
I don't really get oily skin and I only get one or two zits on my back every once in a while if wash them with head and shoulders dandruff shampoo they dry out and go away in about a day. I only ended up taking the ghk because I found klow for cheaper then I was getting my bpc/tb blend for. After seeing what the ghk did for my hair I won't go back. I may buy separate vials though because the bpc/tb are supposed to work even better if you take it 30 minutes after the ghk.
Great info, I didn’t know that about the timing. I’ll have to research that
I slathered DHT cream on my weiner for a month to see if it would grow. I had no more hair loss than my normal test dose. Hair loss from DHT is pretty much ALL genetic. If you're gonna lose your hair, you're gonna lose it regardless of your DHT levels
Fairly nonsense right there. You even know what dht is or good for or you just jackoff a lot?
I have to jack off a lot if I'm taking any dht. But vigorous steve did a video where he said he used dht cream like that and it work and a few guys have injected dht directly in their wangs and documented the results. DHT does play a role in dick size not once you are grown up enough to take extra though.
btw, it didn't grow, the test failed but I found out DHT has no effect on my hair lol
lol great trial test, worth a shot right?!
Your total T number is high at that dose. When I first started TRT, I got some of the acne and oily skin that you’re getting but it went away after a couple of months. It isn’t uncommon at all for your body to adjust. If you’re worried about your hair then you’ll definitely be running NPP and not Masteron if you decide to add another anabolic.
Thank you. Yeah I thought that was high for only 180mg. I currently went back down to 135mg which was my baseline. Going to stay here long enough to pull labs again before anything. Im not necessarily too worried about hair specifically. I have no issues with loss or thinning naturally. But more or less was surprised to have such a high DHT number at only 180 test so made me curious how bad it would get when I decide to add more anabolics. Which eventually was my goal. I may do shorter runs like 8-10 weeks.