posted Mon, 09/18/2023 - 20:18
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I have been running Test C 250 every 3 days, Tren A eod, proviron 25 twice a day and just started Anavar 25 once in the morning and I'm getting a lot of swelling in my ankles and at the end of the day I notice some bloat around the abdomen. I got blood work done a week ago and all was great aside from an increase of liver enzymes but I have been eating Tylenol like its candy. So I stopped the Tylenol all together and had blood done again today and everything was perfect so I'm wondering if this is a sign of water retention from aromatization. I started taking Aromasin a few days ago at the advice of a more experienced "cycle coach" and he has me on 25mg every other day. Any thoughts?
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Well, I noticed last night that the swelling had gone down significantly and this morning its about 99 percent gone. This is after taking Aromasin 25mg EOD for about 5 days now and Im gonna back off of it now and see what happens. I also haven't touched the Tylenol for almost a week so Im doing something right. I guess Ill see how it goes. I appreciate all the advice and Ill keep everyone posted.
Sorry to hear about the troubles you are going through I hope you can find some relief. That is great you have a cycle coach I would probably listen to his advice or at least ask his advice if you decide to make altercations to dosages.
Aromasin has a decent half life period. Personally I would not just decide to take 25 mg a day and hope that that clears up an issue that is sort of like throwing a dart at the board and possibly hitting your foot instead. Jkjk
Crashed estrogen is not fun, I would take a little bit of fluid retention over that any day. But,
I will say that I noticed your glucose levels are high.
"High blood sugar levels can weaken veins and the one-way valves in them. Obesity-associated with diabetes "also" causes additional strain on veins deep inside the body, leading to a condition known as venous insufficiency. Venous insufficiency causes fluid retention in the ankles, feet, legs, arms, and wrists."
I'm not saying you are obese or diabetic. I'm saying there's a correlation between high glucose and water retention.
I wish you the best on getting the issue figured out. Those are my thoughts. A personal suggestion would be to acquire some berberine, and or make adjustments to diet.
+1, for the effort by sharing blood work and posting here to help become a healthier you
DamikeThe reference range of 70-100 for glucose is normal values for a fasting glucose test. If he had anything to eat or drink in the last 12 hours prior to testing this is a false positive.
DamikeDoes the aromisin seem to be helping? Did you get your estrogen levels checked? I didnt see levels in your blood work. High esteogen def can cause water retention. My guess is it's due to high estrogen.
Based on your blood work the only thing I see that could possibly be causing your symptoms is high (CK) creatine kinase causing electolyte imbalances, leading to water retention. However since you sre working out this is likely the cause of high ck.
"What happens if your CK levels are too high?
Higher CK levels are associated with greater burden on the kidneys, causing acute renal failure, severe electrolyte abnormalities, and acid base disturbances, resulting in significant morbidity. Early rhabdomyolysis assessment should not be missed in similar cases, particularly in a toxicological patient"
I have to get test and est checked outside the VA because when they see my test levels I know they will be on to me about using gear and that will go on my VA medical record and they consider that substance abuse. I haven't been consistent with the Aromasin because I keep getting conflicting advice about how much to use so the Im gong to start taking 25 mg a day until I see an improvement. I just got my recent bloodwork results and they were better than the ones I posted because I cut out the Tylenol completely and liver is normal now. I will get with an outside doctor to get the other things checked to be sure but for now Im sure its high est. Thanks for the help.
DamikeI personally see water retention initially in my face. What dose of tren? Did you have kidney values(BUN and creatinine) checked?
Do you have a job where your on your feet all day? If you press your finger into the swollen part of your ankle gently for 5-15 seconds then release, does the indentation persist?
Like others said posting the lab values up would help.
Post up the bloodwork so we can see the full picture.
Okay so here are the results from last week, Ill have the updated ones probably friday
Test Name: LYMPHOCYTE %
Result: 14.5
Units: %
Reference Range: (14-45)
Interpretation: --
Performing Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC 7305 N. MILITARY TRAIL , WEST PALM
BEACH, FL 33410-7417
Status: Final
Test Name: BASOPHILS %
Result: 0.9
Units: %
Reference Range: (0-2)
Interpretation: --
Performing Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC 7305 N. MILITARY TRAIL , WEST PALM
BEACH, FL 33410-7417
Status: Final
Test Name: EOSINOPHILS %
Result: 2.5
Units: %
Reference Range: (0-7)
Interpretation: --
Performing Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC 7305 N. MILITARY TRAIL , WEST PALM
BEACH, FL 33410-7417
Status: Final
Test Name: MONOCYTE %
Result: 10.0
Units: %
Reference Range: (2-14)
Interpretation: --
Performing Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC 7305 N. MILITARY TRAIL , WEST PALM
BEACH, FL 33410-7417
Status: Final
Test Name: EOSINOPHIL #
Result: 0.2
Units: K/uL
Reference Range: (0.0-0.5)
Interpretation: --
Performing Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC 7305 N. MILITARY TRAIL , WEST PALM
BEACH, FL 33410-7417
Status: Final
Test Name: BASOPHILS #
Result: 0.1
Units: K/uL
Reference Range: (0-0.2)
Interpretation: --
Performing Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC 7305 N. MILITARY TRAIL , WEST PALM
BEACH, FL 33410-7417
Status: Final
Test Name: MONOCYTE #
Result: 1.0
Units: K/uL
Reference Range: (0.2-1.0)
Interpretation: --
Performing Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC 7305 N. MILITARY TRAIL , WEST PALM
BEACH, FL 33410-7417
Status: Final
Test Name: LYMPHOCYTE #
Result: 1.4
Units: K/uL
Reference Range: (1.0-4.8)
Interpretation: --
Performing Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC 7305 N. MILITARY TRAIL , WEST PALM
BEACH, FL 33410-7417
Status: Final
Test Name: NEUTROPHIL #
Result: 7.0
Units: K/uL
Reference Range: (1.8-7.8)
Interpretation: --
Performing Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC 7305 N. MILITARY TRAIL , WEST PALM
BEACH, FL 33410-7417
Status: Final
Test Name: DIFTYPE
Result: AUTO
Units: --
Reference Range:
Interpretation: --
Performing Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC 7305 N. MILITARY TRAIL , WEST PALM
BEACH, FL 33410-7417
Status: Final
Test Name: NEUTROPHILS %
Result: 72.1
Units: %
Reference Range: (40-77)
Interpretation: --
Performing Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC 7305 N. MILITARY TRAIL , WEST PALM
BEACH, FL 33410-7417
Status: Final
Lab Test: Hemogram+Platelet
Lab Type: Chemistry/Hematology
Ordering Provider: DVOR, NATHAN
Ordering Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC
Specimen: Blood (substance)
Date/Time Collected: 11 Sep 2023 @ 1047
Collected Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC
Test Name: WBC
Result: 9.7
Units: K/ul
Reference Range: (4.0-11.0)
Interpretation: --
Performing Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC 7305 N. MILITARY TRAIL , WEST PALM
BEACH, FL 33410-7417
Status: Final
Test Name: RBC
Result: 4.37 Low
Units: M/ul
Reference Range: (4.4-5.9)
Interpretation: --
Performing Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC 7305 N. MILITARY TRAIL , WEST PALM
BEACH, FL 33410-7417
Status: Final
Test Name: HGB
Result: 13.6
Units: g/dL
Reference Range: (13.4-17.5)
Interpretation: --
Performing Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC 7305 N. MILITARY TRAIL , WEST PALM
BEACH, FL 33410-7417
Status: Final
Test Name: HEMATOCRIT
Result: 40.2
Units: %
Reference Range: (40-52)
Interpretation: --
Performing Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC 7305 N. MILITARY TRAIL , WEST PALM
BEACH, FL 33410-7417
Status: Final
Test Name: MCV
Result: 91.9
Units: fl
Reference Range: (82-98)
Interpretation: --
Performing Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC 7305 N. MILITARY TRAIL , WEST PALM
BEACH, FL 33410-7417
Status: Final
Test Name: MCH
Result: 31.0
Units: pg
Reference Range: (27.0-33.0)
Interpretation: --
Performing Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC 7305 N. MILITARY TRAIL , WEST PALM
BEACH, FL 33410-7417
Status: Final
Test Name: MCHC
Result: 33.7
Units: g/dL
Reference Range: (32.0-36.0)
Interpretation: --
Performing Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC 7305 N. MILITARY TRAIL , WEST PALM
BEACH, FL 33410-7417
Status: Final
Test Name: RDW-CV
Result: 13.5
Units: %
Reference Range: (11.5-14.5)
Interpretation: --
Performing Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC 7305 N. MILITARY TRAIL , WEST PALM
BEACH, FL 33410-7417
Status: Final
Test Name: PLT
Result: 527 High
Units: K/ul
Reference Range: (140-400)
Interpretation: --
Performing Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC 7305 N. MILITARY TRAIL , WEST PALM
BEACH, FL 33410-7417
Status: Final
Test Name: MPV
Result: 7.2
Units: fl
Reference Range: (6.6-10.6)
Interpretation: 9/28/14: NEW REFERENCE RANGES:
Low Reference Range: 6.6 fl - High Reference Range: 10.6 fl
Performing Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC 7305 N. MILITARY TRAIL , WEST PALM
BEACH, FL 33410-7417
Status: Final
Lab Test: Amylase
Lab Type: Chemistry/Hematology
Ordering Provider: DVOR, NATHAN
Ordering Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC
Specimen: Plasma (substance)
Date/Time Collected: 11 Sep 2023 @ 1047
Collected Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC
Test Name: AMYLASE
Result: 58
Units: U/L
Reference Range: (25-125)
Interpretation: --
Performing Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC 7305 N. MILITARY TRAIL , WEST PALM
BEACH, FL 33410-7417
Status: Final
Lab Test: Creatine Kinase (CK)
Lab Type: Chemistry/Hematology
Ordering Provider: DVOR, NATHAN
Ordering Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC
Specimen: Plasma (substance)
Date/Time Collected: 11 Sep 2023 @ 1047
Collected Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC
Test Name: CK TOTAL
Result: 817 High
Units: U/L
Reference Range: (21-232)
Interpretation: --
Performing Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC 7305 N. MILITARY TRAIL , WEST PALM
BEACH, FL 33410-7417
Status: Final
Lab Test: Hepatic Function Panel
Lab Type: Chemistry/Hematology
Ordering Provider: DVOR, NATHAN
Ordering Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC
Specimen: Plasma (substance)
Date/Time Collected: 11 Sep 2023 @ 1047
Collected Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC
Test Name: A/G RATIO
Result: 1.8
Units: --
Reference Range: (0.8-2.0)
Interpretation: --
Performing Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC 7305 N. MILITARY TRAIL , WEST PALM
BEACH, FL 33410-7417
Status: Final
Test Name: PROTEIN, TOTAL
Result: 6.6
Units: g/dL
Reference Range: (6.2-8.5)
Interpretation: 11/3/09: Reference Range: Low: 6.2 g/dL
High: 8.5 g/dL
Reference ranges changed based on validation studies.
7/31/09: New High Reference Range value: 8.2 g/dL
Performing Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC 7305 N. MILITARY TRAIL , WEST PALM
BEACH, FL 33410-7417
Status: Final
Test Name: ALBUMIN
Result: 4.2
Units: g/dL
Reference Range: (3.4-5.2)
Interpretation: --
Performing Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC 7305 N. MILITARY TRAIL , WEST PALM
BEACH, FL 33410-7417
Status: Final
Test Name: BILIRUBIN, TOTAL
Result: 0.3
Units: mg/dl
Reference Range: (0.2-1.2)
Interpretation: --
Performing Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC 7305 N. MILITARY TRAIL , WEST PALM
BEACH, FL 33410-7417
Status: Final
Test Name: ALKALINE PHOSPHATASE
Result: 41
Units: U/L
Reference Range: (40-150)
Interpretation: --
Performing Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC 7305 N. MILITARY TRAIL , WEST PALM
BEACH, FL 33410-7417
Status: Final
Test Name: AST
Result: 73 High
Units: U/L
Reference Range: (5-34)
Interpretation: --
Performing Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC 7305 N. MILITARY TRAIL , WEST PALM
BEACH, FL 33410-7417
Status: Final
Test Name: ALT
Result: 95 High
Units: U/L
Reference Range: (0-55)
Interpretation: --
Performing Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC 7305 N. MILITARY TRAIL , WEST PALM
BEACH, FL 33410-7417
Status: Final
Test Name: DIRECT BILIRUBIN
Result: 0.1
Units: mg/dL
Reference Range: (0.0-0.5)
Interpretation: Reference range changed 4/12/16 due to adjusted Normal Range
Validation.
Previous Range 0.0-0.3 mg/dl, New Range 0.0-0.5 mg/dl
Performing Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC 7305 N. MILITARY TRAIL , WEST PALM
BEACH, FL 33410-7417
Status: Final
Lab Test: Lipase Blood
Lab Type: Chemistry/Hematology
Ordering Provider: DVOR, NATHAN
Ordering Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC
Specimen: Plasma (substance)
Date/Time Collected: 11 Sep 2023 @ 1047
Collected Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC
Test Name: LIPASE (ABBOTT)
Result: 33
Units: U/L
Reference Range: (4-60)
Interpretation: --
Performing Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC 7305 N. MILITARY TRAIL , WEST PALM
BEACH, FL 33410-7417
Status: Final
Lab Test: Magnesium
Lab Type: Chemistry/Hematology
Ordering Provider: DVOR, NATHAN
Ordering Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC
Specimen: Plasma (substance)
Date/Time Collected: 11 Sep 2023 @ 1047
Collected Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC
Test Name: MAGNESIUM
Result: 1.8
Units: mg/dL
Reference Range: (1.5-2.6)
Interpretation: --
Performing Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC 7305 N. MILITARY TRAIL , WEST PALM
BEACH, FL 33410-7417
Status: Final
Lab Test: Metabolic Panel
Lab Type: Chemistry/Hematology
Ordering Provider: DVOR, NATHAN
Ordering Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC
Specimen: Plasma (substance)
Date/Time Collected: 11 Sep 2023 @ 1047
Collected Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC
Test Name: EGFRCr
Result: >90
Units: mL/min
Reference Range: (<>=90)
Interpretation: EGFRCr (mL/min) CKD STAGE INTERPRETATION
Status: Final
Test Name: CREATININE, SERUM OR PLASMA
Result: 0.94
Units: mg/dL
Reference Range: (0.60-1.30)
Interpretation: --
Performing Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC 7305 N. MILITARY TRAIL , WEST PALM
BEACH, FL 33410-7417
Status: Final
Test Name: UREA NITROGEN
Result: 12
Units: mg/dL
Reference Range: (6-22)
Interpretation: --
Performing Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC 7305 N. MILITARY TRAIL , WEST PALM
BEACH, FL 33410-7417
Status: Final
Test Name: GLUCOSE
Result: 144 High
Units: mg/dL
Reference Range: (70-100)
Interpretation: --
Performing Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC 7305 N. MILITARY TRAIL , WEST PALM
BEACH, FL 33410-7417
Status: Final
Test Name: SODIUM (SERUM/PLASMA)
Result: 138
Units: mmol/L
Reference Range: (134-145)
Interpretation: --
Performing Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC 7305 N. MILITARY TRAIL , WEST PALM
BEACH, FL 33410-7417
Status: Final
Test Name: POTASSIUM
Result: 4.0
Units: mmol/L
Reference Range: (3.6-5.2)
Interpretation: --
Performing Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC 7305 N. MILITARY TRAIL , WEST PALM
BEACH, FL 33410-7417
Status: Final
Test Name: CHLORIDE
Result: 105
Units: mmol/L
Reference Range: (100-111)
Interpretation: --
Performing Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC 7305 N. MILITARY TRAIL , WEST PALM
BEACH, FL 33410-7417
Status: Final
Test Name: CO2
Result: 26
Units: mmol/L
Reference Range: (21-29)
Interpretation: --
Performing Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC 7305 N. MILITARY TRAIL , WEST PALM
BEACH, FL 33410-7417
Status: Final
Test Name: CALCIUM
Result: 9.4
Units: mg/dL
Reference Range: (8.5-10.5)
Interpretation: --
Performing Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC 7305 N. MILITARY TRAIL , WEST PALM
BEACH, FL 33410-7417
Status: Final
Lab Test: Troponin I HS~ARCHITECH C8000
Lab Type: Chemistry/Hematology
Ordering Provider: DVOR, NATHAN
Ordering Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC
Specimen: Plasma (substance)
Date/Time Collected: 11 Sep 2023 @ 1047
Collected Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC
Test Name: TROPONIN HS I
Result: 12
Units: ng/L
Reference Range: (0-35)
Interpretation: Other causes that may result in increased High sensitivity
Troponin I
(excluding acute coronary syndrome ACS) include:
Cardiac conditions: Atrial fibrillation, Cardiotoxic drugs, Heart
failure, Infiltrative cardiomyopathies, Hypertension, Myocarditis, Left
Ventricular hypertrophy, Recent MI.
Non-Cardiac Conditions: Cerebrovascular accidents and subarachnoid
bleeds, Cocaine users, Diabetes mellitus, Pulmonary embolism, Sepsis,
Rhabdomyolysis, Vigorous exercise, Chronic renal insufficiency with or
without hemodialysis, Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease.
Performing Location: WEST PALM BEACH VAMC 7305 N. MILITARY TRAIL , WEST PALM
BEACH, FL 33410-7417
Status: Final
------------------------- VA PATHOLOGY REPORTS --------------------------
Testosterone, estrogen levels?
DamikeDoes the aromisin seem to be helping? Based on your blood work the only thing I see that could possibly be causing your symptoms other than high estrogen is very high levels of creatine kinase (CK) electrolyte imbalances can lead to water retention which can be caused by elevated CK. Did you have estrogen levels checked? I didn't see them in your blood work.
What dose of tren are you using?
"What happens if your CK levels are too high?
Higher CK levels are associated with greater burden on the kidneys, causing acute renal failure, severe electrolyte abnormalities, and acid base disturbances, resulting in significant morbidity. Early rhabdomyolysis assessment should not be missed in similar cases, particularly in a toxicological patient "
I have the results from a week ago but I had them done again yesterday and the numbers came down after i stopped the Tylenol but the report wont be online for another day or two. But I went to the ER and saw my doctor yesterday and they said Im healthy other than Cholesterol being high, which Im working on. I notice that the swelling is less if I take more than one day off from the gym. I should mention I have chronic back and knee issues which make me limp on the foot that is the most swollen so Im wondering if its that. I just cant tell the my doc at the VA about the gear because it will stay in my file as substance abuse.
Is that ONE Test or LAB / Blood Work??
Can you share how much that cost pls??
thanks
Acetaminophen side effects
rash. hives. itching. swelling of the face, throat, tongue, lips, eyes, hands, feet, ankles, or lower legs.
Possibly the most dangerous OTC medication if misused.
Yes it is brother that alone will raise liver enzymes