+ 2 Intolerable side effects
A couple months ago I started a TRT dose of 150 mg Test E. About 6 weeks into it I decided I had to quit because I was experiencing some horrible side effects. My blood pressure was 145/95 and I couldn't sleep more than 2 hours a night. I felt constantly stimulated and manic.
The real kicker is it actually lowered my total test. I am near the peak of reference range around 850 naturally. and it lowered me to 600. It also raised my estrogen to like 50% over the reference range. Now for people who will say having naturally high test means I don't need steroids, that's not how it works medically. Generally people with higher natural levels require more exogenous test to see the same effects as someone who would have low numbers.
The issue is that I can't tolerate it. I'm wondering if high estrogen could be completely the culprit here. At this point I'm trying to decide if I should try again with an AI or lower the test and add a DHT derivative on top. I'm guessing the obvious answer is probably going to be "if you can't tolerate 150 mg a week and that lowers your test, then doing steroids is out of the question for you".
Any feedback is appreciated.
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What are remedies for these types of situations?
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'Now for people who will say having naturally high test means I don't need steroids, that's not how it works medically. Generally people with higher natural levels require more exogenous test to see the same effects as someone who would have low numbers.'
Wtf are you talking about? You dont need TRT.
Its testosterone REPLACEMENT therapy, you replaced (shut down) your own high test production with exo test. And all it got you is a lower test level and more estrogen.
Doing a steroid cycle (not trt) and trt when you have naturally high test are two totally different things.
What was the goal of your trt exactly? Because it doesn't make sense to me.
I'm aware that TRT wouldn't do much for me. I was trying it out to see how it effected me before doing a cycle. I think if I can't tolerate a TRT the chance of not facing worse side effects on a real cycle are pretty low though. I'm kinda bummed that steroids might not be for me.
I wonder if something was missing from your lifestyle for it to get out of hand like that. Bad hydration, diet, not hitting the gym/cardio hard enough, sodium intake, blood sugars etc etc. It definitely is possible it’s from the Test alone but something feels off even though that’s completely possible. Everyone responds differently. Did you get blood work by chance? I had a high BP/Insomnia/Hypertension experience recently too but I was being a dumbass and a slacker so it was inevitable.
My lifestyle is pretty healthy. No alcohol smoking or drug use and exercise hard daily and very clean diet counting all calories macros and micronutrients. I don't do much hard cardio because I'm naturally low body fat and historically it makes me sleep far worse. I have a weird physiology like that.
My blood work was normal except hematocrit went from 35 to 60. I was basically a walking heart attack on 150 mg lol.
So a few issues possibly. You mentioned you have high biological natural test levels and so do I. It's been argued that we would need more testosterone but that isn't always the case, not that I've found at least. We gotta understand there's a lot of bro science and this isn't an exact science.. We all are the same yet different and we respond differently to various compounds and or dosages. In your case your issue very well could be lowered conversion of test to DHT or the increase in estro could possibly increase shbg which could lower your free testosterone. Like Slam said, bloods are the key and we really can't give you an exact answer. If your testosterone is dosed right and you're scoring lower something is definitely off. 150mg/ wk puts most folks around at least 800ng give or take but like I said we all are different. Again listen to your body and look at your bloods,...that's the best indicator ever. Good luck
Sounds like your main issue is high estrogen. That’s likely what's driving the BP, insomnia, and manic feeling. If you want to give it another shot, lower the Test E to 100 mg/week and add a low-dose AI to keep estrogen in check. Alternatively, you could try adding a DHT derivative like Masteron or Proviron—these won’t aromatize and can help balance things out. Just remember, if your body’s fighting TRT this hard, it might not be the right path for you. Bloodwork and a slower approach are key.
I don't get this advice. 150mg put him at 600ng. Why should he take 100mg which is going to make sure his test levels dip even lower...
More logical is to stay at 150 and add an ai and then get bloodwork done.
Wrong my guy. He started at 850, took 150mg test then it lowered him to 600. If he takes a higher dose, then it will continue to drop. If he takes a lower dose, technically it should start rising again.
No because his natural test production is now compromised. His natural numbers were 850. He shut that down. If your logic is correct he will only need a micro dose to get his numbers high again. Sounds like he needs to pct back to natural production.
Think we are saying the same thing different ways. Agree he needs to lower it.
Dude only used test for 6 weeks in his life a few months ago. That means he hasnt used anything for months.
Blood work to begin with and see were he is sitting at.
Start maybe at 100mg or 50mg of Test. Use a blocker because we know he definitely will need it or just wait the month and see were he sits.
Were thinking the same. Hard to believe 6 weeks really compromises you though?
I like your style my man, I've seen several of your replies. Good reply