posted Wed, 10/25/2023 - 11:36
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+ 1 Beginner cycle-opinons appreciated
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Test E 350
Deca 300
Proviron 25mg ED
Aromasin/n2guard
Any opinions would be greatly appreciated on things to add or possibly change up?
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Hello @antwone12 ,
Before start any cycle you need to give a full blood work.
For a first cycle i'm not sure if taking 2/3 or more compounds are a great idea, but nowday ^people start with high dose of test stacked with trenbolone ....
For a first cycle 200mg test cypionate or 250mg test enanthate / week give awesome results think about the side effect particularly for estradiol, from my side 10mg Nolvadex daily help a lot (i used Arimidex, but i think Exemestane are a better option).
Normally 200mg of test cypionate weekly give around 1000 to 1300ng of test total, stacked with good diet / hygien of life you get for sure awesome effect on body and mind.
Think about your PCT, if you have the budget 1-4 HCG 1000 ui's twice week 5-9 HMG 75 ui's 3 x / week ,
or
HCG 1-4 1000 ui's twice week followed by 5-9 Clomid 50mg daily
About the second cycle :
Test Enanthate or Cypionate 300mg / week
Nandrolone Decanoate 200mg / week
Proviron 25 to 50mg daily
If you have some side effect from estradiol
Nolvadex 10mg daily or
Exemestane 25mg daily or
Arimidex 0,25mg 2 to 3 x week
Don't forget hygiene of life, incluted diet are VERY VERY VERY important when your on cycle, the impact / results are estimated around 70% from the diet.
Have a good cycle and take care ! (^_^)
awesome! really appreciate this comment!
Your welcome (^_^)
If possible give a full blood work before and after your cycle, i think 8-10 weeks are great.>
If your buy the stuff from a source here, try to share your protocol with the results of before and after your cycle with the name of the source.
This method help yourself and the community (if some search a good test for exemple).
Happy Friday !
Any mental sides from your use with deca?
Whithout indiscretion, do you have the test from script ?
Yes sir, it oringally was prescribed due to levels being insanely low , in the 100s to be exact. But clinics are just too expensive so found a solid clean source that I switched over to and have preferred over the grade I was receiving from pharm
@antwone12 Your used for minimum 1 cycle the script ?
If yes, this method indicate for exemple your level with 125mg / week and see the difference between the lab bought here from source.
Yes it's surely more expensive but you know what do you take, when you have a script it's enanthate or cypionate ? (some country use sustanon for hypogonadism).
This is right now, I may just need to cut more. But this is mid workout so the pump is flowing strong
I0ts awesome you look great ! remind me you're on what cycle actually?
What about diet?
Thanks alot good motivation. Right now just test at 250mg . Clean diet 1800 calories 186 grams protein but seem to always cheat on the weekends :X so need to get ahold of that
Yes motivation are very important ! I think you have a good ratio Muscle / Water / Fat / Bone.
How do you feel mentaly ? Normally with this dose your feel awesome :-D
When your plan your cycle don"t hesitate to send your goal / cycle / diet and training.
Be careful on your lipids with 250mg test weekly :-)
Some food help a lot to have a good ratio ldl / hdl / cholesterol and for long term it's very important.
Here time to sleep, have a wonderful day or evening or night my friend !
Take Care <3
Yes, with my last cycle i used 100mg (if my memorie are well) during 1-5 and the rest 125mg / week i had more difficulty falling asleep, my libido have down, so i add some Priviron 25mg first time and up to 50mg.
But i also had positive effects, like better skin (look like very sweet) , more energy, more vascularity, and i feeling more gain vs test only, it's not big gain, but i like this little bonus.
In the past when i used 200mg weekly, my iron plasma level have drop a lot (it's in common side effect when you read the notice) and i had completely lost my libido (200mg Deca + 250mg Sustanon weekly) but i gained some great gain a mix of water / muscle / fat, during the training the effect on body and mind , i greatly appreciated.
Now i know we need some compound like Proviron / Masteron when we use Deca, some people add 100/200mg of Primo weekly, but the common are Masteron or Proviron.
Some people sweat a lot on Nandrolone when the summer coming, this side effect are not a pleasure, particularly during the night.
I've cycled EQ and var twice but still had alot to learn so took a good reset until now so This is just going to be my first solid bulk cycle with proper nutrion/proper safety precautions and solid training regimen.
For my last i shared my cycle and diet.
This method allowed me to realize i had gaps in my diet ;-D (good ratio carbs/proteins but lipids to much low)
No need for all that gear. Drop to testosterone only.350-500mg a week. Was my first cycle and has been one of my favorite cycle.
yea man my bad I didnt put enough detail. This would be one of my first solid bulk cycles with proper nutrition and training regimen. var twice and eq once but still had ALOT to learn. Been blasting and cruising test for almost two years.
A beginner then Test only with possible proviron. Now by using aromasin your estrogen will be a bit lower so be careful with proviron which will somewhat affect estrogen also.. Also even though proviron isn't toxic it still will raise cholesterol a bit, but not as bad as other methylated toxic orals.
I think that's a good idea (test+proviron) and I can get my body fat down more especially before I put on any amount of water weight. 300test per week with what amount proviron MG would you suggest.
I always prefer 300mg for first cycle but some guys prefer a bit higher than that. To each their own. As far as proviron some go 25mg/day, some go 50mg/day. Again gotta be careful combining alot of proviron with aromasin. Depending on bloods you'll have to troubleshoot for dosages.
Combination of certain proviron mg and aromasin mg is a possible worry for whtt reasons
Proviron will bind to the aromatase enzymes and can cause less aromatization of estrogen.
On my current cycle I have been doing 500mg of test and 50mg of priviron split 2x a day at 25mg.
I front loaded my cycle on top of my trt dose with one weeks worth split over the first day. By the end of the third week I noticed my blood pressure was creeping up and I felt the usually estrogen sides. I have since been taking 12.5mg of Aromasin daily because the priviron wasn’t doing enough for me. It has keep my blood pressure to regular levels. I don’t think Aromasin can or will 100% crash your estrogen levels. I think the number is 80% and personally that level feels like a great sweet spot for me. (My dick thinks I am a teenager) I probably could get away with 6.5 daily but I have incorporated dbol in the middle of my cycle and it still seems to be keeping everything the same. Everyone is probably different here, maybe adex daily which eliminates up to 60% is a good spot for others. I would avoid any inhibitors that eliminate 100%.
Anyhow, I think diet and exercise make the cycle. I wouldn’t get too caught up in what you are taking and just track how you feel/respond to a basic cycle. More is only going to add more complications and make it harder to manage staying in top training form.
Enjoy the cycle!
+1 good info. Just gotta be careful with aromasin in my opinion. Some tend to over do it. And I agree proviron is mild as far as lowering estrogen but some have reported dry joints on it.
Awesome thanks man, I think that's a better idea for me if you look below you'll see where I'm at now and I'd rather cut it up. How long do you suggest prov. I'm going to do 25mg 2x daily as well for 50mg
Awesome thanks man, I think that's a better idea for me if you look below you'll see where I'm at now and I'd rather cut it up. How long do you suggest prov. I'm going to do 25mg 2x daily as well for 50mg
I am doing priviron the whole cycle just too keep it consistent. I got it for a good price, not sure I would if not. It is definitely a mild drug.
Proviron before workout? Or just in the AM
Lol some have been known to take it preworkout which I heard about recently.
I just take after food am and pm. 25mg each.
What that guy said. I've got a friend. He's competing n such. Ran deca and he said not even all that much and bam his dick don't work now. He's been off for almost 3 months and can't get hard. Bro if it's really your first the test is going to really impress you. I ran test with Cialis my first two times because the results were so damn good.
Beginer cycle means test only, watch the results, get bloods regularly and run proper pct. Let your body adapt to it, make notes and enjoy HUGE results that you will most likely have, assuming you're ready for AS and have proper nutrition and training regimen. Next cycle = more test, third cycle = test + another compound....
This is what I've always said and what I actually did when I started using gear. Everyone is in a rush nowadays...takes time.
My bad guys, should of put a little more detail. I've been on TRT for almost 2 years due to my levels being shot but at a low dose. Training/proper nutrion and continuous blood checks. I bumped my test up a tad and ran EQ and ended it with var and had wonderful results. I'm now just trying to do a solid bulk through winter. That's the one thing that is worrying me. Some people seem to have horrid results with libido while on deca so would run my test higher than deca dosage along with proviron. Aromasin 12.5 2/3 times weekly. N2guard and other vitamins I already take. I have caber on hand if needed and cialis as well but idk if deca is even worth having an issue with libido when there is other compounds I could replace it with.
Add some B6 at 300-400mg to start for prolactin control. Physicians will prescribe this as a regimen for women. Always try the non drug route first, it may be surprising effective for you. Your multivitamin if you take one will not be enough B6, and 300-400mg is a starting point, you may need more, it’s not unheard of to see dosages in the 600-800mg daily range. Good luck with everything bro
B6 from day one even if no symptoms of prolactin but just to stay ahead if so?
I appreciate your words brother
I would suggest it strongly, start with the low dosage. Keep in mind deca has a very long half life. If it takes 5 weeks to saturate your system fully, once you experience side effects you can expect 5 weeks or more for those unwanted effects to subside. B6 will help you stay ahead of the curve. I would recommend it from the beginning just so it becomes routine for you.
Should I add some vitamin D as well just to stay ahead?
A multivitamin is a great addition, a good diet will take care of the rest. The high dosage B6 is very specific for the prolactin.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8426548/
All credit to NCBI
thankyou for the words , much appreciated. Will be starting this monday after next implementing the b6 dosage and multivitamin along with what Ive mentioned. excited for a nice winter bulk than cut it up into march ;)
have a good weekend bro!
Thumbs up bud! Keep us updated on your progress