Most Effective time to pin HGH
Since HGH and testosterone (natural in men) levels both peak at night and muscle growth occurs when we sleep, then wouldn’t it be logical to pin HGH during the night. Natural HGH is generally produced in the first couple of hours of sleep and only has a half life of 2 hours, so say HGH was pinned after 4 hours then natural HGH production wouldn’t be suppressed. My understanding is that Test, HGH and sleep all work in synergy. Of course you may argue that when we are on AS that we have exogenous testosterone in our bodies anyway so the natural test peaks are of little consequence. That being the case you would still have the third vital ingredient (sleep) missing if you pin during the day. Just something I have been thinking about. I may well be talking out of my butt again! What are your thoughts?
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You can research the absolute hell out of this (and any other GH topic) and you will never get a difinitive answer...especially when it comes to dosing. When to take? Do I split the dose? IM or SUBQ?, injection timing related to when I ate last or when I will eat next...
If you want to know what I'm going with, I'll tell you. I have heard from endocrinologists that the amount of GH created during sleep is pretty minimal...especially compared to a daily injetion of 5 or more ius. So the concern over supressing "natty" GH isnt a concern at all (IMO).
I can only speak from my personal experience. I have started pinning around 2.00-3.00am when I wake to go to the bathroom. I can feel more sides and for longer also fat loss seems to be increased. Again that is just another take. There are so many different angles to approach this from
how much are you doing per day, and do you do it all at 3am?
Back down to 2ius per day now as am back in cruise mode. Just taking the one shot now at 3am
I see. I'm in major fat burning mode, and I was taking 100mcg of T3 along with my GH...then I found out that a dose of T3 that high pretty much blocks the effects of the GH.
When I was on 4iu Hg per day I was doing 50mcg T4 per day. My understanding is that T4 is preferred to T3 as T4 converts to T3 anyway
yes I know, and I am doing T4. And I know that a dose of about 12 mcg of T3 is also reccommended....but I was doing 100mcg.
OK buddy no worries.
You pretty much nailed it on the head bro....when it comes to GH there are so many different dosing protocols and timing issues you can raise and discuss that unless your competing i think it's a mute point...you can get into the whole cell creation after injection discussion and should i inject before or after workouts but if you ask me i think it all comes down to just getting it into your body....if your using over 4iu's then you should split the dosing into equal injections but the key is to stay with it..t many guys think they are going to see and feel results after just 2 weeks it doesn't work like that...it's 3 months min but you should shoot for a 6 month run if you can and in the case of GH more is better....i know there are plenty of people who will disagree with that statement but the proof is in the pudding...if 4iu's was all you needed to grow than that's what the big boys would be using and no more...the fact is mutation happens over 14iu's a day when your in that zone you can eat whatever you want and still lose fat and grow new muscle
Yes.
Here's another thing. I've read all over the place about how GH doesnt cause site specific effects. I've also read where endos say the opposite...that IM injections WILL casue a localized effect, and SUBQ will have a systemic, bodywide effect. Based on my own personal experience, I can say that the endos are 100% correct. Every bodypart I inject IM with GH blows up, and blows up fast. It's awesome for lagging bodyparts. I was doing my shoulders at first and they turned into fucking bowling balls, so I had to stop because I was getting out of proportion. crazy.
tread-mI Don't know for sure and the science has been all over the place. In fact, in its origin even for hrt, it was suggested to pin at bed time. Later the thought and science of suppression came up as you mention. As you also mention, test is present at all times. In that case and knowing there "may be" additional natty pulse even if smaller beyond the original pulse it seems to me day pinning would stretch the possibilty for more benefit. A lot of guess work I know and at the end of the day, I tend to think other than "don't pin it at bedtime" any time of day will cause benefit even if we don't know the exact time it will be best appreciated. Given the cts is at any time of day and particularly at rest the hang on and ongoing benefit is not just during pulse periods. Again, more discussion here on my part as I'm using guess work on a topic still in large debate.
Ok. My reasoning was to mimick the timing of the the natural delivery of HGH as near as possible without suppressing the natty. That's me making the assumption that the body would best utilize the HGH and test better at a time that was more "natural". Like you say though there is a lot of guesswork going on. Maybe it's just a case of more trial and error.
That sounds like a good idea in theory. I usually sleep a solid 2 hours then wake up to take a piss so i could pin then.