posted Tue, 01/24/2012 - 16:21
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my f*&^king shoulders
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Ok, so I get the regular (ok maybe not regular, but regular for a chemically enhanced old fart) aches and pains of being over 40.
But damn - my shoulders fucking scream at me now while doing flat and incline bar bench, military bar presses and flyes. Anyone else plagued with this? I'm still getting stronger and I can move the weight but it is more than uncomfortable.
Maybe I'm just too old for this shit LOL
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go see a doc or a chiropractor they would be best to see whats going on before you mess it up more.
I am 57 and been training on and off my whole life. I have a very old rotator cuff injury and "HAD" major problems. First of all we are too old to do any straight bar,,ain't no good for any of your joints, use dumbells, it builds symetry and you can work around those sore spots. Second DECA,DECA,DECA! I notice a major difference in about 4 to 5 weeks 250 mg per week, or better NPP @250 2X week and train pain free! When I go off, in about 30 days the old ache is back.
Actually I meant 125mg NPP (nandrolone phenylpropionate) 2 times per week, and don't forget the Dostinex (Cabergoline) this stuff is amazing and better than Viagra
There is more to the shoulder than deltoids. The typical exercises overdevelop the major muscles and never touch the smaller - supporting muscles. Then you get an impingement. Think of pulling a fat shoe string out of your tennis shoe. The more inflamed the muscles get the harder it is for them to pass through each other. The solution is to discover those little supporting muscles that have been neglected. Work those un-sung hero's of the shoulder. Easy now, they've been neglected a long time.
So, I was watching Real Sports with bryant gum ball and he did a piece on a pitcher named Steve Delabar, of the Seattle Mariners. This program that he rehabbed his shoulder with, i can't find he exact name of the pitching coach, but in the stories it says the program is just called "velocity" and it heals all kinds of shoulders and fixes damage to pitchers shoulders... it might be hard to learn how to throw with the left to be able to do it, but hell, i am considering using that program to heal up my baseball ravaged throwing shoulder
One word.... Deca.... I'm 40 years old and my shoulders have been shot for 15 years now. 250 mg a week of deca will lube shoulders right up and honestly pain will disappear .... Well almost.. It's the best thing I've found to help shoulders. Of coarse you'll need to take test with it or you'll be shut down and shooting pool with a rope in no time.
Anonproblem is that deca doesn't FIX your shoulders and doesn't come near to it unless you run it for over a year straight ..
I beg to differ. With the proper therapy combined with deca the process of healing is ten fold in less then a year. I could be a walking talking deca rep. Now i will have to say though with the shoulders the problem doesnt always lay in the shoulder itself. I had this god forsaken pain in my right shoulder thought it was an old injury coming back to haunt me. Went to the doc and found out i had a herniated cervical disc. In my own opinion dealing with all the injuries i live with knees shoulders legs arms spine etc broken or torn. The deca has been the only medicine that has helped me keep a normal life along with the proper therapy. And of course you must take test along with deca. PM me I can explain better.
AnonOK so my point is that deca won't fix a shoulder .. which is what I said so you still beg to differ? Plus I would like to assume that you also ran test with your deca fix.. furthermore, it didn't FIX it but ALLOWED you to tolerate the physical therapy. There is a big difference there so thanks for reiterating exactly what I said.. it WONT fix anything. (p.s. please don't think my answer comes from ignorance I have had many surgeries to correct joint and tendon issues that deca did not fix).
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkYour correct it doesn't fix anything! It only aids in the recovery process and strengthening of such injuries. I wasn't trying to question your knowledge or your own experience's. Just giving my own experience using deca and of course always run test 1.5 -1 on deca. There is caution to be taken during such recovering as not to allow yourself to over do it. Sorry grrrl i wasn't trying to be a butthole.
Anonme either ;-) ... in fact the last few deca cycles I have been disappointed in the lack of help for my joint pain..;-/ it wasn't the quality of the deca I think I am beyond that kind of help at this point ;s
I can always tell the dec is good when my knuckles feel stiff
But i have to wait about 2 weeks to notice. I have heard hgh is supposed to be good for healing our old and current injuries, I just cant afford it. I cant wait until we can get some "stem cells" can imagine the possibilty's.
:)... I am sorry about the joint pain, i know it hurts like hell sometimes. Docs give me pain pills to help but when im running a cycle i notice my pain levels decrease. Who knows maybe its just the test pumping me up ;) I can feel the deca in my joints after about the first week and a half of starting and if im not moving my joints enough they will get sore. You are also correct about it does take time to heal. I pinned my last 2cc of deca a couple of weeks ago to allow my joints to be pre lubed before starting my test deca cycle into my new PT and recovery from my last spinal surgery. Holy smokes all my joints are stiff upon awaking and until i get them warmed up. There is alot of people that dont understand how bad some of these injuries we have hurt like hell.
Spinal surgery also? Man I feel for you brother. I know what both shoulder pain and spinal surgery pain feels like. I'll take the pain from the surgery and recovery any day over the back pain without it.
This is my last three years of hell! JAN 2009 I shattered the top of my humurus inside the shoulder cup 5 different fractures snow skiing with my daughters, i was trying to be a show off in the terrain park. Then Apr 2010 shattered my left knee and tibula so bad the doc's were thinking about amputation. Instead i spent 2 weeks in the trauma center having my leg rebuilt keeping all my soft tissue parts which were all fucked torn acl torn meniscus. I have a shit load of hardware in that leg. Its amazing i can still walk hurts time to time. Then Oct 2011 some dude rearends me and im back in the f-ing surgery nov 2011 cervical disc replacement and fusion. My next 3 years should be better i hope!
That's true. Many times the problem doesn't originate in the shoulder or deltoid, although ur deltoid will feel like there is a knife in it when you go to raise ur arm. A good chiropractor will identify a rotated C-7 or T-1 as the source of the problem and simply adjust it. My C (cervical)7 would rotate during sleep and I'd have the same problem the next morning. Back to the chiro, he'd ask, "In what position are you sleeping as you keep throwing it back out?" Couple more visits and pain was gone for several years.
I've had problems with my shoulders for years but I find ways to work around the issue. Right now, thankfully, no chronic pain. Still on flat bench I have to limit my range of motion and weight. You are supposed to be working your pecs on flat bench but it's so easy to overstress the front delts. For my 2 cents I would try to limit your range of motion, don't worry about coming down all the way to your chest and don't raise the bar until you lock out either. Everyone is different. You will have a range of motion that feels right for you, limit it to that. Start out light and increase only 5 - 10 lbs at a time, concentrating on limiting your range of motion and avoiding discomfort. Volume training is great, don't go too heavy. Just saying this works for me. I'm 54.
Probably your labrum....even older bodybuilders like bob chicarillo mention that it is almost pointless to do flat bench because it goes against the natural motion of the body... A lot of guys go down to far and jerk the weight at top... No arch in the back etc.... You should use dumbells instead since it provides a better range of motion in the wrist... If you arch your back right and have the correct ROM you should only feel it in your chest... Not shoulders....also....and most importantly..,,warm up!!!!
56tooBro I'm in my 50s and I've had that problem for quite a while. I can't do flat bench to save my life, the pain is just too much. I can do inclines and is nowhere near as bad. II'm 6 wks into my first ever cyle. Test only, and dude it just dawned on me a cpl. weeks ago my shoulder doesn't bother me nearly as bad as it did b4. Now, I did start taking a lot of supplements when I started cycle so I really can't point my finger at any thing specifically, but I have a STRONG feeling that it's the test thats doing it.
Be careful, steroids will let your body do things it shouldn't. Keep your form strict to avoid injuries. Those muscles are gonna get stronger faster than the tendons and ligaments. If you want to try to get back into Flat bench, try a Powerlifting set up, elbows pulled in, come down lower on the chest (below the nipples) it will take some of the stress off the anterior delts. It got rid of the pain for me. My first "cycle" I was pushing too hard too fast to get to a 300 bench by my 50th birthday and hurt my Shoulders and Forearms. Now I have to stay calm and strict, slow progression. I don't even try singles now. Good Luck!
56tooThanks pats I will try that
It sounds like your rotator cuff, I just wrote Hollywood about this I had the same issue and this is how I resolved it First take 2 weeks off of shoulders, on chest day don't do straight bar benching Keep any pressure off that area. After 2 weeks do shoulder exercises that have a natural motion( your arms naturally go inward) so do dumbbells and cables. Last do high reps and low weight, get maximum blood flow with out going heavy. Do this for 2 to 3 months and see how it goes. That's what worked for me.
i have had many rotator cuff problems, and no pain in the shoulder, so-to-speak, the only pain being scapular, which sometimes does present itself in the rear deltoid area, but not shallow enough...
now, i am not saying it is NOT your rotator cuff, but i would venture to say it is in the shoulder joint itself, as it is more susceptible to nagging, degenerative injury than most joints
bro 47 here had a car accident 10 fractures in my rotaror cup I use a swiss bar for benching and go to the staight bar 3 weeks before a meet so far got 2nd on my last state meet.Plus glusosamine ,meloxicam is the shit,talk to your dr.about this and a bit of test and tren a.do help
have you heard of the push pull routine? i have the same problem , it helps i still cant do incline though fucks me up every time and have to stop lifting for weeks
whats push pull?im 55 and my right shoulder hurts so bad i can hardly lift.its worse on chest than on shoulder day.Poping sound in joint too.
Get an mri. You might have spurs or a slight tear in the cuff. When its real bad for me i go in for a cortisone shot takss about 2-3 weeks before it eases up but what a relief.
Anonone day you do push..ie chest.. next day you do pull.. ie back..next day you do pull.ie bi's... next day is a push.. tri's.. ( we usually do shoulders on chest day) legs and forearms..
Thats how i train,it keeps the joint from tearing itself up plus you get more rest
AnonI just started training like this in December and I am blowing up ;-) it is hard to rest on the rest days but I like growing.
IMO it also helps in keeping good symmetry as a freebie,also i read you train chest and shoulders same workout,same here, saves time warming them has pre exhausted from chest work = less chance of injurys thats all good in my book,touch wood i havnt had any twinges in shoulders for a long time now.Stangely i get shoulder pain when in bed,the more vascular the worse the cramps
Anonmy shoulders are toast right now... the strenght gains and the pumps from this cycle are wicked but my tendons are having a hell of a time keeping up. I've ridden the strength wave for six weeks now and think I need to back off.. even carrying my purse is making my shoulders burn .. it doesn't help that I have loose joints and sometimes I can feel the pumps pulling my shoulder out of the socket.. at least it doesn't hurt as bad as it sounds.
Its better to back off a little than have an injury shut you down for a couple months. I've learned that lesson.
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Lol that read painful i was grimacing reading that!!! common sense says take it a little easier! "but" we have none of that so keep tearing into them Lol not long till end of cycle you can back it off a little then maybe
Anoneasier said than done, common sense seems to head out the window when a person feels like they are supergrrrl..;-)
Yea I'm developing the same issue again. I like to sleep on my side and the bigger my shoulders get the more they hurt when I lay on them, they'll push to the front or rear and get stiff. But gotta have my arm around my wife at night.
Yeah same here bro she thinks i dont love her if i dont drape an arm over,its true what you say the bigger them delts go the less pliable they are,mine feel like blood supply has been shut off sometimes when i lie sideways.
There's a great book by Brooks Kubik (author of Dinosaur Training) about lifting for us older guys . .much of this is covered. It's called "Black Iron, Grey Hair" . .I strongly recommend adding it to your library . . .
Be sure to structurally balance your training with adequate ext. rotation work , trap 3 activation and posterior delts to keep the pressing clean and in the right "groove" of the lift . .
jasonhim 39 and get aches and pains but still manage to get stronger and grow (actually at my strongest but thats due to never used gear till year ago) low dose deca helps,glucosamine chrondroitin msm blend(suggest fast acting formula available at gnc) and one of the best things is hanging from pull up bar, full body weight with relaxed shoulders as long as i can before and frequently during work out im fanatical about it.like to think ive still got years left in me still do heavy flat bench hope to get to 365lbs this year(currently benching 335 at 185 body weight) i do military press with dumbells but dont go past 80lbs and standups with barbell 135lbs use machines for real heavy stuff even though i like to avoid em
AnonDon't go pass a 90 degree angle with your lifts.. just straining the shoulder anyways..
As a 54yr old competitive bencher doing 2-3 meets a year my shoulders are my bread and butter. And I always seem to be rehabbing them from one injury or another. Since I obviously have to be under the bar here's the trick I learned and its helped tremendously. Simply cut a 15in long piece of 2x6 board and place that on your chest to bench off of. It takes a lot of shoulder rotation out of the lift. I use it almost right up to a meet. 2-3 workouts without it along with some pause work and I'm gtg. As far as upright shoulder work I only use dumbells so that I'm not locked into any one path of movement.
I was killing my shoulders over the summer trying to get my bench to 300 (got to a 285 double, smith machine). I finallly had to give up straight bar, for Dumbells. I recently found a site on Benching and have been using a "Power set up" and no shoulder pain! It takes a little to get used to (and your max will drop at first) but no pain so far. The big part is pull your elbows in, chest up, shoulders back, and take the bar to the bottom of your chest.
I'm going to check that out
My shoulders are so bad that I can't squat without using a Draper bar (totally badass - DaveDraper.com - I had quit squats until I saw some guy using one and got one for myself - check it out if the extension on squats bothers your shoulders too
DfizzleI dont really have this problem, BUT alot of guys I lift with do. We have a special bar at my gym to use to take it easy on shoulders. Its 2 to 3 times thicker than a normal bar but it weights alot 10 or 15lbs less. These guys swear by it. They use it for everything from bench, military, scull crushers, pretty much everything u would use a normal bar for. Hope this helps in case you dont wanna switch to just db for everything.
Sorry if I'm stating the obvious- but I often have to have clients devote much of their shoulder workouts to:
-Face pulls (scap retractor work)
-External rotations/ Scaptions
-Scap wall slides
Then we introduce any overhead pressing- often DB, neutral grip at the bottom, pronating only at lockout if it feels "right".
Hope that might help . .
Anonjpal is right. That bar will tear you up man. Time for some change my Bro and fuck the weight. Lift some Tig Bitties instead :-)
even when my shoulders hurt somehow I find the inner strength to lift the titties, when the shoulder gives out I rest them on my face or lap
MIne hurt to bro thats why i switched to using only dumbells