Changing philosophy from high test to high tren
I've always used the "test is best" philosophy and have long preached the utility and necessity of test as a base of all cycles.
That being said, I've spoken to a number of guys who have taken a different approach and have enjoyed good to great results. They are using moderate to high levels of Tren Acetate ED and medium to low doses of Test. They also use high levels of EQ and some Masteron also.
None of these guys are noobs and have many cycles under their belts. For beginners I still advocate test based cycles with minimal stacking with other compounds.
I am about to start up again and I am considering trying this, with only my concern being the possibility for enhanced Tren sides.
My cycle will look something like this:
weeks 1-4 dbol 40mg ED
weeks 1-20 EQ 600mg
weeks 1-20 Sustanon 500mg (Can't decide on this, was going to go 700mg but now may down to 350mg)
weeks 5-16 Tren Ace 80mg ED
weeks 17-20 tbol 60mg ED
I have the needed ancillaries (including Caber) for the cycle and after. Opinions?
(Stats, over 40, many cycles, 5'11", 237, 13%bf)
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I have advocated higher tren, EQ and mast cycles before, theres nothing wrong with them and as far as tren goes it is much better cause the test amplifies the tren sides. So a couple things here, first of all the T-bol is gonna be useless, your body will be a full weight capacity by week 17, if you where putting in a cutting compound that would be fine but another bulker on top of a bulking cycle is useless...Next would be the sus, great for bulking but not the best choice for high tren doses because it is unstable unless your pinning EOD, so this is a posibility for tren sides, I would recommend test-e/c...As for the sus or whatever test you run, the dose can be much lower than 350 a week if tren sides are abundant...Tren dose is a little high for me and I would surely suffer from sides, and I would start lower and work my way up but thats me...
I haven't started yet, I may switch the Tbol to the front load in place of the dbol
Thanks for the input
For myself that would be optimal, I like to gain the entire time on cycle and D-bol sort of mind fucks me.
dbolzHave you run tren and eq before? Your rbc will be sky high with that combo i wouldnt recommend it at all. Worst two compounds as far as raising rbc goes. Either one or the other imo. Unless you are competing dont run this cycle. Very unhealthy and extremely counterproductive. You are going to have to take 160days off just for your rbc to balance out.
I have looked into this and may donate blood a few times during the cycle to alleviate the issue - no direct experience with this but have heard from several bro-scientists that it works
dbolzI was looking into donating blood as well bro, problem is once you stick a needle in you, you are not eligible for blood donating. If you do manage to donate blood go for it else i wouldnt suggest it. Active life of any new rbc you create is 120 days. So if you go sky high on them you will have to lay off everything for 120days at least.
Blood donating works for sure problem is you will have to lie when you complete the form. If you are a big guy they wont buy it
biggerthanyouIf a beginner posted this he would be crucified! Seems like a few too many compounds for one cycle and possibly too long? Ace @ 80 mg/day ur not gonna sleep a wink lol good thing beast mode never sleeps!
Thats why i was wondering why not a simple test/eq cycle for 12wks with prop kicker.
im in my 10th week of tren A @ 80mg ed. I sleep like a baby
You're a big guy so can understand a fairly heavy cycle but why such a long cycle? Dbol used for fast watery bulk vs test prop? I gues I'm wondering why long cycle and goals? And how long since last cycle? You're experienced....receptors cleared?
To get the most out of the EQ a longer cycle is needed, at least 16 weeks. I've used dbol as a kicker several times before with good success (aside from the fucking back pumps) and I run adex with it to control the bloat.
I did a 16 weeker last year and using tren throughout and some eq (it was a waste for as long as I ran it probably) and my bloodwork after PCT came back great except for a slightly high RBC.
I ran a 20 weeker from October through February and just got my results and I don't even have an exceptionally high RBC this time around. My doc actually started talking lifting techniques and advice this time LOL. He also said he doesn't see guys my ages showing the numbers on the test results that I do (I tried to get him to prescribe me HTR and he laughed and basically said nice try)
My back pumps just above glutes could be intense on eq cycle but liked the solid gains and kept them. Im Hella short n grow easy. Just lookef like too many compounds for a 16wk cycle.