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So, I just got back from my visit with my urologist to discuss my TRT opitions and let me say, it went great. He first told me that my instinct was right and I indeed had low test levels (249 total and 8.3 free). He suggested a topical and when I told him I wanted injections; he said, okay and asked, "if I wanted to learn to give them myself?", Awesome! Now, I am free to give myself testosterone injections.
So, here is my question: He prescribes me 400mg of testosterone cypionate a month. Now, should I break it down into 100mg a week, 200mg every two weeks or 400mg once a month?
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I looked into this with my doc and they tell you that on a low dose you dont need anything else but it is not true. After several months your estrogen levels will rise, your test production falls even more and you end up feeling worse than you started. I asked for antiestrogens but doc says I dont need them on such a low dose. I felt shitty. I decided you do need them and went to a hrt doc. They give you nolva and or clomid and hcg. Some say cycle and some say stay on all of it all the time. I would love some feedback on this subject. What did your doc say?
When asked about an AI, I got a response exactly as you did, "I wouldn't need them at a low dose". However, he said, once you get in the 500mg a week range, then you should think about an AI, but until then you don't need anything.
AnonI ll second juice and the more frequently you pin the better off you would be.. thing is that you will quickly find that 100mg in week will be barely sufficient to keep the initial good feeling.. I doubt you will get him to prescribe more than 400mg per week and you may want to consider supplementing that dosage with a long ester test from a UGL.. don't get me wrong initially you are going to feel great but when you consider that your supplementation is going to shut down the little natty test you are currently making you will eventually find yourself in a deficit.
I seem to remember Goth cruises on 150mg test cyp per week? Of course that's 50% more than what HJ has been prescribed.
Anonthat's his baseline... he changes it depending on how he feels.. he is running shorter blasts with more variability and shorter cruises.. everyone has to find their own sweet spot
400mg a month and yeah, i don't want to ask him for anymore than that right now, especially since I just got prescribe that today...LOL i will start out at 1/2cc a week or 100mg and see how i feel. i am hoping that 100mg a week is enough to cruise on and then blast every 12-16 weeks or so....do you think 100mg will not be enough to cruise on after say 5 months?
It's questionable, everyone is different. It will help, but probably not ideal.
With TRT it is more a mind/body thing, your not trying to build muscles and get big.
Once a week would be just fine, twice a week would be OK if you don't mind the pin cushion effect. One advantage of twice a week is you could look into 1/2ml sub-Q injections, but the reviews are mixed.
Yeah I did my first injection and on the first go, I hesitated....and thought, no way. But then, I took another alcohol pad and wiped the target location and went for it. It wasn't bad at all. I used a 23g, 1.5" needle and injected in the upper outer quadrant of my ass cheek...
i just want to start feeling better right now and then maybe blast for some new muscle growth. i am going to try 1/2cc a week or 100mg injected only once instead of trying to break 1/2cc into two doses....
Anonyou may find that you have more ups and downs only pinning once a week.. your blood levels won't stay constant and like I said earlier you WILL feel better for a while but eventually that will decline.
So, if i were to add some cypionate from a UGL, then how much should i add to my current weekly dose? Or is that something, I need to figure out after or during my roller coaster ride?
Anonyour sweet spot is between you .. and your sweet spot.. try the roller coaster ride first but I ll say that you prob want to inject a total of 150mg per week
the ups will be nice after years of being down....
Anonyes and the downs are a real bitch as well.. you'll fix it when you get tired of the roller coaster.
Very true, the roller coaster is a bitch at first, after 6 weeks or so the esters level out and it gets better.
Maybe a program of twice a week for the first 6 week and then he can try once a week if he feels to much like a pin cushion. It would also give him more practice on this pinning skillz.
Did he give you 1ml amps, or a low dose vial ???
Some of that may play into how you want to attack this.
he prescribed me the 10ml vial but my insurance only covers a month at a time. the 10ml vial is a 5 month supply, so i only get 2 1ml vials a month.
Minimum 2 times a week to keep blood levels stable. I would do Mondays and Thursdays or something similar. Cyp has a half life of 12 days so that means that in 12 days if you administerd 100 mgs your body would only have 50 mgs in it. In 12 more days it would only have 25mgs in it. I would do 50mgs twice per week.
Half-life of cyp is 12 days, I thought it was 7 days. Yeah, 1/2cc twice a week sounds good to me too. I want to keep levels as stable as possible. And thank you for the fast reply.
Test hep half life is 17 days how does that sound!!!!:)
Hep is very close to E in it's half life.
D, (Decanate) is longer than Cyp
U is even longer and (15-16 days)
B is longer still. (25-29 days)
(# of days is approx)Don't quote me.
Yep you are right on all scores,all my research and speaking to src who has tested hep we tend to agree on the 17 day thing also you tend not to hold water which i can vouch myself i used it in the 80,s with great results,using it now in my stack and i am rock hard,unlike when i use enath or cyp,this is my personal choice between all tests has i get better results.:)
Awesome! Test Cypionate is only 8 days.
Do some research on test heptalyte then you know the score,that it what i use with no probs on cycle so decided to use it on cruise, will start at 250mg pr wk and see how it goes
So, did you put yourself on TRT?
Never done it yet as still mid cycle on a full stack,decided after everything i learned from tread this is the way to go for me from now on,when this cycle finish,s thats when i start.
Based on several searches, I find it listed both ways. Maybe someone else will chime in but either way the more frequent the better! Good luck!
http://www.isteroids.com/steroids/Steroids%20Half%20Life.html
I was going based on the below, Pfizer say's their cyp half life is approximately 8 days.
It's from Pfizer's own depo-test (cyp), odd there is such a variation.
http://www.pfizer.com/products/rx/rx_product_depo_testosterone.jsp
Click the PDF labeled "View DEPO-TESTOSTERONE U.S. Physician Prescribing Information"
I think some of the variations in half lives for the same ester, might be accounted for by the weight of the oil used. Cyp is normally given as a depot shot, with a heavier oil, it would take longer to be washed out of depot and into the blood stream where the ester could then be washed away making the testosterone itself available to the receptors.
Yep i would go with that,definately something to factor into any cycle when choosing compounds especially with long esters