posted Mon, 02/26/2018 - 06:35
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Advice on a low risk cycle
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Hi Guys,
I have trained on and off for years. Mostly just fitness.
I did bodybuild when I was younger and used various gear. Getting back into bodybuilding now (I’m 42).
Obviously putting on size, keeping low body fat and recovery is much harder.
Looking for something to make things easier, get quicker results.
Don’t want to inject and don’t want lots of sides, plus I want to keep what I build. Been looking at mild SARMS (Ostarine) as it’s not hard on the liver (I only want orals£.
Anyone got advice/suggestions?
Thanks
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Sarms are a waste of time. Orals are useful for endurance sports, but you won't be keeping much of your strength gains. Low dose orals don't carry much more risk than Tylenol, but they will not be useful for bodybuilding. Sadly, the nature of human organic chemistry is such that injections are really the only way to go.
If you are 42, and you are presumably reasonably successful, I would stick to TRT dose of test and moderate Primobolan (200-400mg/week). I'm 40, and this cycle keeps my gains, helps me train harder, and I get few to no side effects. If you can afford $500 to $600 per month, I would consider HGH as well. Pharmaceutical grade HGH even at 2ius per day works really well. Take it with Metformin and the diabetes risk is negligible.
Fill us in on where you are in your AAS education, and if you've chosen to avoid this route altogether. Your input will help other men make informed decisions about their own future choices.
Thanks for all your comments guys - loads of helpful stuff. 100% going to get my bloods done just to see where I am and then make any choices from there. I would give you all thumbs up - but for some reason it won't let me?...
Thumbs up for getting your labs done.
It’s the smartest thing you can do.
The hospital lab will have returned results to your gp.
Go to them and ask them to print them out.
Probably be 11 pages if its anything like Ireland but we can help identify the primary areas to review.
The results are your results, dont forget, so just get the printout.
Your gp is probably another ranges merchant who didnt see the word high or low flagging him to investigate. Most gp's are incompetent in that sense.
Dude if you’re lean, and fit your doing better than a lot of people now. Read the fitness and nutrition threads and stay natty as long as you can.
Read this thread again these guys are experienced: https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/over-40-trt/considering-trt-at-lown...
Thanks mate
I wish that thread was around when I was starting out.
As far as supplements go,I Test them out and if I don’t see any results in 30 days I won’t take it anymore. It may have a placebo effect. I have taken a few that worked great before but they have all been banned here across the pond. “The androstenedione and androstinediol” worked for me but you have to take a gram or two three times a day. And I don’t know how it effected my organs I didn’t care about labs in my 30’s I thought I was bulletproof. “Bad decision on my part”
There’s a lot of people on here that know more about it than me on here, they may be blunt but they are trying to steer you away from those nasty things that can cause you damage long term.
Some study showed OTC testosterone boosters only really will do anything if ur body is really hurtin for some help. I wouldn’t imagine it’s too much different for sarms. Was spending 200$ a month on OTCs and realizes this is rediculous.
Thank god I didn’t just take dbol like I wanted to back then cuz I woulda effed my whole life up cuz how little I knew. Finally after complaining of low T sides for years and have been continually in the low 300-350 range and he put me on some oral plant based testosterone with DHEA in it and I went from 300-350 range to 422. No idea wtf it is but my blood work shows it’s working. I’ve been curious of sarms myself but at least there is more research on DHEA and a doctor monitors me and my bloodwork. The big bonus is I’m not doing something that will hurt my body worse than my wallet. Ask ur doctor about other alternatives than TRT is ur still in range.
"Don’t want to inject and don’t want lots of sides, plus I want to keep what I build. Been looking at mild SARMS (Ostarine) as it’s not hard on the liver (I only want orals£."
Bro I'm reading your responses and what you originally wrote.. what are you looking for from us? You don't want to inject and you want keep what you build. All you're looking for is orals...
We don't condone oral only cycles for good reason
1) usually total shutdown
2) usually don't keep much of anything
3) harsh on liver and kidneys
You mention "Ostarine" which is a sarm.
You should do research on sarms because I'm someone who doesn't support them I think it's a waste of money and is basically a mystery if you're actually getting Ostraine or not.
How long have you been on creatine for? I've my highest liver values while taking creatine.
What's wrong with a spot on diet and hard work in the gym? It's more important then ever once we hit our 40's.
Good reply thumbs up
Great advice. Guys that are scared of the needle need to stay natty. There’s nothing wrong with that either..
Word bro... The sides from orals are too harsh, your gonna need your organs for a live time don’t burn them out. It isn’t the live you want to have.
basskiller89There's no such thing as quick results brother
It's simply hard work in the gym and proper nutrition
Steroids are no magical fruit
Let me reword that....I’m looking to make the going a little bit easier for someone who isn’t 18 anymore lol.
We all know it’s much harder at my age...I have to watch every calorie!
basskiller89I don't think testosterone makes things easier. There's an increased demand for oxygen as well as an increased heart rate due to thicker and larger amounts of blood volume. If anything it will make your body have to work harder
The hormone that comes to mind in terms of making things "easier" is HGH. That I feel would make things easier, speed up recovery, add density to bone, ligaments, tendons etc
The test may help with your metabolism however lol
if your'e low t, Test will up your IGF-1, speed up recovery, and help with ligaments and etc. @Bargy, get your ass off the couch and go get your blood drawn and then ask your "healthcare" provider on what to do. After that, get you ass back here, use the search bar first and then ask for advice. Otherwise, you could severely fuck yourself up! And if you do need trt, its life long and get ready for some side effects; nearly all of them are easily controlled by a doctor.
RustyhookerBloodtest. Get your baselines. As we age, our levels of natty drop. That is a healthy start place
I did go to the doctors and asked for one, told them I had low libido, energy etc and was worried about my hormone levels. They tested and rang to say everything was fine, but wouldn’t give more detail than that. In the UK I’m not sure how you could get a proper report...
https://www.medichecks.com/hormone-tests/sports-hormone-check-plus
For us UK based folk. Can do in your own home. Post the results here and can go from there.
Rustyhooker^^^^boom!
That’s massively helpful, thank you. I’m currently using Ostarine.......you think it’s best until I’m off and had a break before getting bloods checked?
Yeap I would defo get off that ostarine and take 6 weeks break then do the blood tests. Ostarine is going to shut you down for not much gain in my opinion. Basically pointless and counterproductive and you’ll probably end up losing those gains and possible more.
A good low risk cycle. Creatine.
Already take that pal
Need to know more about your diet and training before recommending anything. May have a lot of potential left there.
Currently in a slight deficit (300 calsper day) trying to get to 12% body fat before I do a lean bulk. 160lb, 5’6 in height. Body fat is around 15% right now
this is what I would be doing. No need for sarms or AAS. You really don't have a solid base yet for anabolics.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/the-key-to-quality-mas...
JonnyswolechestIf you don’t want much sides but you want gains you can keep with out injections only oral not gone to happen. You be better off not going down the road of gear. Not enough study’s out to truly see what’s the long term to sarms. But oral are hard on you and you can’t run them long because of that so you don’t keep those gains there more for a kick start.
I expect some sides, just trying to limit them. As I see it SARMS seems to be the lesser of all evils, then PH, then anabolics.
Just after opinions of the mildest anabolic orals - to see if they are a better choice than SARMS or ph. One way or the other I am going to use - just looking to educate myself (or Re educate as I did hear when younger) and get the best results for the lowest risk.
JonnyswolechestI here you. But that’s just it there really isn’t to much low risk with orals and sarms we can’t say what the risk are cuz they haven’t been around long enough. I would go injectables safer you keep more gains less sides and you no what your getting. At the end of the day it’s all up to you.
Have you done a recent blood test to see what your testosterone levels are ? As you know they decline as we get older , some faster than others .
RustyhookerHaaa! Great minds!