Using Statins With Gear To Keep Lipids In Check???
Hey what's up guys. I'm very interested in this topic and I've never seen anybody talk about doing it, so I'd figured I'd ask about it. I don't use any statins(lipid lowering medications) with my gear and I'm not suggestion anybody to do so. I'd just like to know if some people do or heard of people doing so, which statins they've used, and what kind of results they've experienced.
Now we all now that using AAS and the ancilliaries that go with it can cause problems with our lipid levels.They can lower your HDL(Good Cholesterol) and/or raise you LDL(Bad Cholesterol), and raise your triglycerides and total cholesterol. Optimal lipid levels are very important for maintaining your heart and cardiovascular health. I try and keep my lipid levels in good range through good eating habits, plenty of cardio, and by using different vitamins and health supplements. But even with doing the most I can to maintain healthy levels, it's basically inevitable while using different AAS and ancilliaries that your lipids will go into undesirable levels.
I know if someone that's not on gear and has persistent problems controlling their lipid levels themselves, in some cases their doctors will put them on statins. Has anyone themselves ever used statins with AAS or ever heard of other AAS users taking statins to help control their lipids? Again, I'm not suggesting or encouraging anyone to so but I'd like to know if some people do this. Using statins without the approval of your doctor can be very dangerous and shouldn't be attempted.
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Pass on statins, I prefer using GW. It's been a game changer for the ol lipid profile without the shitty side effects of statins
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I'll need to do some reading before questions.
40mg Crestor (rosuvastatin) a day.
Talk amongst yourselves. Ha
I'm not sure why statins have such a bad rap. I have been on them for a couple of years now and have had no adverse effects. Then again, high cholesterol has a bad rap too...it runs in my family. My Granny had high cholesterol - lived to 99.5 years of age, my mum has high cholesterol, is 82 and still lives independently and drives a car every day. I have high cholesterol, but zero plaque (as evidenced by angiogram). I only take the statins to keep my Cardiologist happy because she wants to see certain figures on a blood panel - for me - the whole cholesterol thing is misunderstood and over-rated. LDL, the alleged bad cholesterol is necessary for our bodies, does anyone really think that out body produces compounds because they are bad for us?
Should someone use statins while on AAS? I can't see a problem as my experience is that they have no effect on liver enzymes...and remember...what organ produces cholesterol? The liver....why? because cholesterol is necessary to produce vitamin D, steroid hormones, bile acids and cell membranes. So regulating cholesterol while usings compounds that negatively affect the ratio of lipoproteins might be a good idea because our bodies always seek homeostasis to function effectively.
Right. Keeping LDL and HDL in a healthy range
Alphamale500I agree that statins in general shouldn't have a bad rap, since they do maintain the lipid profile of many people in the world, sick and not. So you do use statins? I figured that there has to be some guys using AAS who also use statins. I'm just not to sure about the sides, or if your body gets "used to" taking them and then needing them for the rest of your life. I know I've heard some things about possible sides associated with statin use. But finding out how true it is, is partially why I wrote this topic.
That's really one of my main concerns that maybe you can answer for me. If you use statins just for a short time like a long cycle let's say, does your body get dependent or used to having them, where they leave you needing to take these meds for life?
But I can't see doctors having their information wrong or misunderstood on high cholesterol and triglycerides, or LDL and HDL issues causing or putting you at a much higher risk of developing heart and cardiovascular disease, is just something I can't see possibleI! I mean the doctors have to know what they're talking about. There's just too much evidence, sick and suffering people from these issues, many dead people with these issues as contributing factors to their death, studies, medications and surgeries, papers, etc proving, treating and supporting that! Even though our body may produce these substances in the small necessary amounts, doesn't mean that they're not harmful in excess. And these statins are used to control the lipids in people who have them in excess and who can't regulate them on their own.
But as for how statins affect your body, what have you experienced while using them? And do you need to stay on them? And what if any kind of sides do they cause? Thanks bro.
Yes, I do use Statins, but the only AAS I take is 80mg Test E PW for TRT. Haven’t run a cycle for about 2 years now and probably never will again.
Every drug has sides – all of them, doesn’t matter what it is. However not all people experience side effects of the drugs they take, and for those who do get sides, then their doctor weighs up the risk/benefit ratio of continuing with the medication.
Personally, I experience no sides from the Atorvastin that I take every day. In terms of my Cardiologist, she wants me to stay on Statins because of my hereditary Cholesterol profile. My Total Cholesterol and Triglycerides are fine, but I have low HDL and high LDL, so being a good doctor, and given my existing heart condition, she is erring on the side of caution.
From everything that I have read Statins do not cause dependency even over the long term, and I would seriously doubt any ill-effects from taking them for a cycle of a few months.
Again, from my readings, Triglycerides seems to be the culprit when it comes to possible negative heart health, rather than HDL and LDL.
https://www.cardiosmart.org/News-and-Events/2016/05/The-Danger-of-High-T...
Our entire world is in a process of evolution, every animal, plant, insect, virus and bacteria is in a constantly evolving state – as are humans and our knowledge. What doctors once believed to be medical fact is getting rewritten almost daily. There is a plethora of research out there allegedly linking Cholesterol to heart disease and there is also growing evidence that argues that there is no definitive link.
https://www.nhs.uk/news/heart-and-lungs/study-says-theres-no-link-betwee...
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/323235.php
You just have to make the best call possible based upon research and discussion with people involved in the area. I'm fortunate - I research everything and can have meaningful discussions with my Doctors about medications and courses of action that affect me directly. They appreciate having an informed patient - that's how it should be.
I would keep everything as natural as possible bro. No need to add even more drugs to what we’re already using ya know? Just keep doing what you’re doing, eating right, cardio, supplements and if it gets bad going vegan for a bit is known to reverse high cholesterol. Also, from what I read aromasin is better on lipid levels than adex. Another thing I’ve been using is the sarm gw501516 (cardarine) which along with a clean diet has lowered my cholesterol immensely I’m actually super surprised. Check into it bro along with it’s fat burning benefits it’s a very useful sarm. I’ve actually opted to using Sarms as they’re much safer than oral anabolics. Hope this helps bro take care.
Yep - clinically proven to improve cholesterol ratio - raises HDL and lowers LDL.
Alphamale500I gotta look into cardarine. But mine aren't bad, they're actually good. Just like I said, my LDL could come down a lil bit and my HDL could come up a lil bit. My total cholesterol and triglyceride levels were great. I just like to learn and see what other methods people use.
I read the same thing about aromasin being better for your lipids than adex. I have some, and I think I'm gonna switch over. I'm gonna have to get my optimal dose dialed in and everything. Alright, thanks bro.
StevebDoctors go crazy when you have high cholesterol but don't even check for inflammation which is what actually damages your arteries.
Alphamale500Untreated high cholesterol and triglycerides are certainly killers in the long run. High lipids can cause atherosclerosis, and plague and clots form in your arteries clogging them up. Although I never really looked into inflammation.
I was always concerned with avoiding any lipid, heart or cardiovascular issues at all costs. Atherosclerosis was one of the contributing factors in my father's death at a young age, when he suffered a heart attack. So idk if there's anything that's inherited, or if it was just from his health and lifestyle or both, but I have to keep a good eye on that kind of shit. Towards the end of his life, he was very overweight, drank a lot, had high cholesterol, smoked cigars, bad diet and whatnot. Thks bro.
StevebWithout inflation you would not have any of those problems.
https://youtu.be/ZC20MZkkyRQ
I do high coq10
Alphamale500I use coQ10 also, plus othergood supps. For coQ10, I take 100mg, 3x day with black pepper extract for higher absorption rates. Thks.
Those meds are bad news trust me.
Clean diet. If walnuts and avacados woulnt do it just dont use orals.
Alphamale500Yeah they seem to have a lot of sides right? My diet is great and I take good supps/vitamins. My lipids are actually good, but I was just trying to find out in preparation for a bad case scenario. My HDL could come up a lil bit, and my LDL could really come down a lil bit. But my total cholesterol and triglyceride levels are great! Even my doctor said my numbers are good and he wouldn't treat anybody for just the lil bit that my HDL and LDL could improve. I guess I just can't expect absolutely perfect lipids.
You mentioned not using orals, but it's all steroids that fuck with your lipids. Even just injectable test. I don't really use many orals except for tbol and anavar once in a while. I think the anastrozole I take is having some effect whch is why I'm thinking of switching to aromasin. Thks bro.
No clue if they are but I always hear statins are terrible stuff and you don’t want to be on them.
Alphamale500Yeah I don't think they would be good for AAS users. But they can be really good and even life saving for regular people who suffer from high cholesterol or triglycerides. Many older people use them to control their lipids. My mother's on a statin and her last bloodwork was great! Better than mine. Lol! Not a single blood marker was out of range. Thks man.
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My doc doesnt approve it because of liver values going up using statins
Let's not forget a lower egfr...its like fixing an old car.
You fix it and then something else breaks..
You are more than right . My doc only approves statins after pct , where training is lighter and your out of state of rhabdomyolisis and myalgia. Those drugs are bad news while on
Alphamale500Rhabdomyolysis is a very dangerous and possibly deadly condition. It's where your muscles are broken down and dangerous myoglobin and other substances are released into your bloodstream. It can cause kidney failure. This isn't something that's very common at all, and is actually rare. That's what I was under the impression anyway. Isn't it?