posted Sun, 03/17/2013 - 21:59
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The economic collapse of America and Europe
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As our economy trickles slowly into the deep depression, what is there to do? Who will take part in the upcoming revolution against the bankers and corrupt politicians? I will be starting a garden to start preparing to be more self sufficient. I hope to hear some ideas you guys will be pursuing.
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AnonI will be abandoning this thread and will not post again even if I am replied to. I have never seen such loathing of the human race. everyone is just ready to throw up their hands and say "Were Fcked" Talk about negativity! whew! The end times are here!
I'm moving on to more optimism as wallowing around in this isn't my bag.
Best Wishes
Easy Bro...there's a difference between identifying a potential problem and reacting to it negatively (or positively).
I live every day as if it could be my last (because we are all one heartbeat away from death), and that means being happy and positive.
No such thing as "end times" ..... but I think preperation is a good thing because it allows us to be in a better position to help others, and you said yourself that's what you want to do. People like you are going to be desperately needed.
Anyone who thinks this PLANET is not headed for total chaos due to economic collapse is either stupid, deluisional......or both.
If you can't look back in history and learn from it------or at least look at current events and learn from them, then you simply show yourself to be another self-absorbed XBOX-playing fool without a clue. Right now in Cyprus, they are showing us a preview-----Greece, Spain and Portugal are to follow------then Ireland. After the EU hangs on for a while longer, they and the US, along with China will fall into collapse along with the rest of the world economy.
And whern that happens----when there is a dispruption in any kind of service or goods, these pathetic fucksticks in this country are going to go apeshit----JUST like they did during Katrina (where the govt. was nowhere to be seen), and JUST like they did during the LA riots (where the cops were nowhere to be seen)........ We live in a society where they riot over the fact that thier team lost a stupid-ass FOOTBALL game. What do you think is going to happen when they can't get their smokes, coffee-----or the electric goes out???? It's coming whether you want to admit it or not, and the people who are so fucking comatose as to be more concerned with headlines about Kim-cunt-Kardashian rather than real news are going to be the first dweebs I cap because they come after my shit when they realize how fucked they are.
BRING IT.
I'm not saying the world is going to end----I'm saying the life you knew----the one you felt safe and secure in-----is over. Crime is going to sky-rocket like you've never seen, and the resulting chaos is going to worse than any fiction you've ever read. Wiemer Republic----anybody wanna talk about that??? Now magnify that by 1000 and you may begin to scratch the surface of whats coming. The difference between this collapse and the depression of the 30's is so huge that it can't be compared-----a much worse crash.....much less morality......much more violence and weapons.....and a society that thrives on bloodshed, along with astronomical racial tension, and yes, you can bet there will be some major race riots headed to your neck of the ghetto as well.
For those who disagree----I could care less. Do want you want.
But personally, I've already made plans, and those plans may, in the end, prove to be fatal because there is no way to tell how things are going to pan out. But to sit and do nothing and assume that Walmart will be the answer when your cupboards are empty is in my opinion foolish.
Yep, you hit the nail on the head bro. People are so apathetic today it makes me fucking sick. They dont even realize what's going on around them. Today's generation is completely brainwashed. People need to wake up and fast. This country is going to collapse it's inevitable. I see states will secede from the union in the future, a balkanization of sorts. the corrupt politicians and bankers do not have our best interests in mind. Our country at the same time is being flooded with illegal immigrants who have no skills whatsoever, Obama calls them the future of th U S. Well guys if that's the case were fucked. I could go on , but I'm just gonna shut up now lol.
I have to say I really have not seen a more accurate post here then this one of how believe the "end collapse" reality will play out. In my experience in dealing with humanity when at its worse and I can say I am more then qualified to make this assessment most would not believe what others will do to spare their lives. It is easy to say if I was in this or that circumstance I would don this and that but the reality of what happens very seldom equals the heroic boasts. I will not say where, but I will say I have personally witnessed fathers rape their daughters on a massive scale all under the promise that their lives would be spared. Yet they were killed anyways. Maybe we say I would die first and maybe some of us would but you can't say it for fact until you actually do it. Goth assuming the worse about people in a survive or die situation is in my opinion a very true and accurate view! With the possible exception here and there of a few with great honor and integrity who defy human logic. And they will most likely pay with their lives as martyrs to their integrity do to the overwhelming odds. This is just my opinion.
Anon9/11 Firefighters went into a building only to have it collapse and kill them.
Alfred P. Murrah Bombing a nurse died from a piece of the building hitting her in the skull.
A soldier who dives on a grenade to save the rest of his squad.
Soldiers giving their life for what they believe in. These are things that happen daily. There are a lot of people on this planet that are good people. For some reason we cant remember these peoples names but we remember, Jessie James, Billy the kid, "Al" Capone, Timothy McVeigh.
This is just my opinion as well.
Yes you are right my friend, and you proved my point the few who stand out compared to the majority of at best mediocrity and at worse plain evil.
AnonWell I hope that made you feel better getting that off your shoulders but rest assured not everyone wants your "stuff" and I dont see the need of people getting on an Internet forum telling what they are going to do when someone takes said stuff. You do what you have to do. When the time comes I will put my service into helping the people of my community Instead of standing Around guarding my can goods and bottled water. I will be assisting the people of my community doing what ever I can to help.
Not everyone is going to want my stuff-------just the 55% or so that are too lazy to educate themselves, work, or do anything else constructive.
As soon as public assistance is no longer available to the masses in the inner cities, they will be migrating to the suburbs where they will resort to the animals that we ALL are capable of becoming when the right conditions arise.
Putting your energy into helping others is good, and will be what ultimately helps us start over (and we will). I plan on doing the same------but not on the corner of 5th and Main.
Anonbro, I just knew you were going to flame me and you took the high road. That is very respectable.
If I have one bottle of water and I see one thirsty kid, I'm giving the kid the water. What ever things I have acquired like the fine guitars I have, I will leave behind. When the time comes for men to unite and act like men, I'm going to be there.
You actually impressed me, Thank you.
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkI think in the end, the good people will defeat the bad----they always have throughout history. I also think a lot of good people may do bad things in order to survive-----kinda like the people who loot stores during catastophes to get food------of course there will always be the idiots who pass the meat isle in favor of a plasma T.V., and its those people who really screw themselves in the end.
As far a s debate goes, I don't think you and I disagree----we simply were on diffrent pages of the same book. Your post on guns is a goood example of your idea that defense is a god-given right.
AnonYou know something else? There are pathetic human beings who hate life, then you see on the news that they ran into a burning house, saved everyone inside, then go back in and save the family pet, then they go back to being an asshole again, lol. Its a trip when you talk about what a dick someone is then they tell you he did all that stuff, it just gives you a lump in the throat.
Yep-----life's too short (and too long) to be unhappy. Most people who are dicks lead very miserable lives.
I guess Goth isn't such a bad guy after all. I ve never seen him flame anyone during a healthy debate ;-)
You and Goth nailed it by citing facts that are in front of us every day via the evening news. I guess some folks don't have cable but then there is Internet... That was a great deal of gymnastics you (and the other guys) went through however, thank you, both of you for intellengently setting this thread straight with regards to our current and future economic situation.
Secondly, I know this is not a SRC promo thread, but I learned that I certainly want to send business your way. I am not certain which business you are with. I own my business also, 25-years. Sending FR request so you can let me know. Thank you for sticking your neck out. "48"
None of my news comes from T.V. now------All media is now owned by big business---(NBC owned by G.E. I think just for example). Most of my info comes from independant internet sources.
According to Fox News, Obama can do no right....
According to NBC Newsm Obama can do no wrong....
The politization of the media is by far the biggest threat to this country because it disregards all objectivity.
Alex Jones?
Alex is a little out there.. try Peter Schiff, Max Faber... etc.. watch YNC .. you'll see the real shit that's out there..
Absolutely: No misunderstanding here.
On a lighter note; I shut the office down every day for three hours and make everyone watch The View, Dr. Phil and Oprah with me. We laugh, cry, take notes and discuss, LOL - Have a great week, bro.
Anon(cough) uhm... nut hugger
Now that was completly unecessary. I thought you were a decent guy and that Goth made a accurate comment when he said that you were on the same book, however, different page. You seem to just troll around and antaginize decent folks which means that you are simply a Fuck Head. Later Fuck Head - over and out.
Lol, on the other hand you and Destructos sound like a couple, maybe you two should date?! ;)
oh.. you missed it on page two .. I just thew in the towel.. plus I m not sure how Goth would take it ... he might insist on dating HotPinkGirl as compensation
"Dating" would just be a start--------but it's a good start.
move to canada
In the short term that seems attractive......but no place on the planet is going to immune to the crash of the dollar/yen/euro.
The printing of TONS of digital fiat currency has insured that.
Exactly! Nor the nuclear war that'll follow!
I have been trying to be more self efficient. Chickens, garden, fire wood and water storage as well as amo and survival needs. People need to learn how to survive without running water and electricity. I don't only do this as a economic concern but natural disasters as well.
AnonIf your in that frame of mind, better save up some penicillin and other antibiotics.
Well the collapse will happen sooner than anyone could expect, and when it hits...you'll be sure to get knocked down to your ass!
AnonThe sky is falling! The sky is falling!
I think we are all in agreement that this is neurotic. You don't even know where I am or what my environment is like. And when I do get "knocked on my ass" I just get back up.
Buh bye now.
Yeah that's very true I also have asthma so I've been getting some meds for that as well.
AnonYeah it would suck to make it past all the zombies and crazies then die because you got a scrape and need a tetanus shot. I don't know how you could stock pile stuff like that. Diphtheria, polio, whooping cough, measles, mumps, chicken pox, wow...
You people rely on pharmaceuticals way too much, build up your immune systems bros. I was raised using only natural remedies and whole unprocessed foods, if we got sick we did a detox. I don't remember the last time I went to the doctor other than for a doctors certificate to skip some exam, I'm almost 23 and never used penecillin or any other antibiotic. Your body is a lot stronger than you allow it to be!
As for serious injury though that's another kettle of fish
AnonDo you live in the USA ? If so tell me how you got to go to school without being inoculated.
Vaccinations are compulsory dude, so of course I took them at school and when traveling abroad. As for anything else, never needed it. Except once I got stung by a scorpion so had to take antivenom, if that counts
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6WQtRI7A064
Terephthalic Pt...The reason you can do something like that is because the people who are really sick go to the doctor and get treated. Without those disease would run rampant. If we are talking about the collapse of society where medicine and hospitals are out of the picture your little detox wouldn't cut it.
Also you shouldn't save antibiotics. They become extremely toxic as they decompose. (not talking to thefusion but to earlier posters who said to save antibiotics.)
Don't think a detox is trivial because it seems simplistic, I'm not saying 1 or 2 detoxes will cut it I'm talking regular detoxing part of your lifestyle. My mom who's 50+ also hasn't been to the doctor for anything serious either (from the time she started at 20) in all my life I've never seen her sick srs, many of her friends suffer from all kinds problems, diabetes, gout, heart issues and most are younger than her and doctors themselves! You'd be surprised what serious illnesses can be cured with a little detox and a change in your thinking. It takes time to build up your immune system though. I feel it's better to help the body cure itself, just my opinion...
You're right about highly contagious stuff like SARS, swine flu, tuberculosis etc though, guess we'd better move to the countryside when shit goes bad.
Terephthalic Pt...Well I do agree that for most things that aren't bacterial we tend to be a little overkill on treatment, but for the really bad stuff there's no substitute for modern medicine.
AnonThank you for rational thinking. Some people think we can go from the weak society we are that are dependent on so many things to a Neanderthal overnight.
Thank you for your voice of reason.
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkYup, I completely agree!
nice bro, I have much to catch-up on! great to see some people here on eroids as prepared as they should.
AnonI dont think you can prepare for a collapse. In sociology this is defined as "Planned Fantasy" and that is straight out of the text books.
I posted a while back about the collateral damage from the civil war. Even if you do have something of value, who's to say it couldn't be taken away.
And remember people have been walking around from the beginning of mankind saying the end is near.
yes you can prepare to be self sufficient .. we are talking about a financial collapse .. look around you .. the fed is printing money left and right ... backed by NOTHING .. they have devalued the dollar beyond any repair that any polititian is willing to make.. europe and CYPRESS are just examples of what is coming to a neighborhood near you. This isn't doomsday, it is the natural consequence of devaluing currency and playing games with our money. It is a ponzi scheme it can't last and since the us doesn't produce anything of consequence we aren't going to fix this.... a nation of consumers, unable to feed ourselves, fix anything that's broken, and out of shape ..... a lot of people are going to be in deep doo doo.
I almost forgot.. try and take my shit ... You'll find yourself laying on the ground answering to one of several means I have of protecting myself and family
Anon"the fed is printing money left and right ... backed by NOTHING"
It would appear that there is nothing I can do about this. Until people come together it wont get any better.
"I almost forgot.. try and take my shit ... You'll find yourself laying on the ground answering to one of several means I have of protecting myself and family"
Uhm... I don't remember saying that I was going to take anyone's things, so you can save the threats for someone else. i can assure you that you do not have anything that i want or need. For the sake of this conversation Ill play along.
I remember watching Hurricane Katrina on the news and it was a total "clusterfuck". We had Fema Red Cross and even GW made an appearance and yet Hurricane Katrina was one of the biggest embarrassments to the United States. It wasn't like anyone could go to the grocery store and get a gallon of milk for their newborn baby.
While the 1% of the population are standing over their bottled water and can goods with 5 million rounds of ammo, the other 99% of us will be trying to form some sort of sociological normalcy with regards to children, nursing homes and hospitals.
Planned Fantasy, right out of the text book.
You have a valid point about Katrina and the inability of the govt. to respond------and that is precisely why people need to take personal responsibility to ensure they can sustain themselves for a few MONTHS----or at least enough time for a large segment of the population to die-off------which is what a lot of this is really about.... according to some theorists.
I didn't ask you to. It is a fact that is destroying this once great country and will bring us down several notches when China decides to stop purchasing our bonds
You said .... just because you have something doesn't mean someone can't try to take it or something close to that statement
Katrina is a classic example of the ineptitude of the government
the 99% (more like 80%) will be freaking out because the grocery shelves have been emptied and they don't have shit at home.
Please document your sources as you have so kindly asked others to do ;-)
AnonHalf of that doesn't even make any sense. When I get home I have books and I will quote my source. While we are waiting why don't you get your sources as well
Sources?????
Do watcvh the news-----or get any kind of info about what the govt. is doing to "combat" the "recession".
Have you ever heard of quantitative easing---(QE1.....2.....3....4....and on and on untill China has had enough)... This is common knowledge.
Look around-----tell me where you see a recovery-----tell me what you think is keeping checks for SS and welfare flowing?? Tell me where that funding is coming from.
well please do elaborate the half that doesn't make sense ;)
You are the one insistent on sources ... you are the one that is so bound by the rules and parameters of the text books .. I rather enjoy the debate but you really are taking this way to seriously ...I'm just interested in your sources