posted Mon, 01/06/2020 - 11:30
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SARMS worth reading
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....Dr Tony Huge, AAS, SARMS, etc worth reading:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1A-L9FSZZY8NgPpTpa4YJ3BWXwr7_mPX-/view?u...
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Theres already a bill proposed to ban sarms this year. It was only a matter of time and watching the anabolic doc talk about it he really would like some of the sarms to be used for medical purposes only like MS but as of.now theres no medical use for sarms but are for PH and some steroids
"For Laboratory use Only". I figure this saying, I may be paraphrasing, just dont fly anylonger.
I've ran RAD (10mg/day), MK (25 mg/day) and Osterine (25mg/day). Of the three, I loved the RAD, but the crashing of my SHBG and E2 was not so good. I'm on TRT, and with the crashed SHBG my T came down from 1000 to 560. The gains from working out were terrific, the stamina it gives is unbelievable. I was going to run an 8 week cycle, but strained my left side long head bicep ligament the seventh week. Ortho said muscle gain too quick and ligament suffered. The only PCT I did was increase of weekly dose Test C from 120 to 180 for three weeks (actually 90E3.5d) to get my E2 back up a little quicker.
The MK is a long term product. Ran it along with the RAD, and for three months after. The first couple months I had some good sleep, and while doing the RAD it seemed to help recovery. But the last month I didn't get much from it. Had trouble sleeping. You definitely want to do it at night because of the hunger side. You will not quit eating if you do it during the day.
The ostarine was very mild, and I felt like I wasted my money on it. I was going to do an 8 week bulk with 4 week cut, but just decided to drop it after the third week. It took the RAD two weeks to kick in, but at the end of the third week I hadn't felt or noticed anything from the Ostarine. I got all of them from same source, so felt like the product was good, just didn't feel anything for me.
I've got another round of RAD sitting in the room ready to go. I'm trying to find some clen to cut with, and I'll do the RAD cycle then. I think the TRT base with RAD is a good deal, with no long PCT required.
Hmmm. These guys have some injectables, lol. I may try that Osterine and 501516 as well as the mk677. I want the best, but I know they get expensive
I'll check it out! Thanks
I have run MK-2866 (Ostarine), LGD-4033 (Ligandrol), RAD 140 and Cardarine (GW-501516 - technically not a SARM). All worked and had different effects. Ostarine is mild and and will help you gain a little size and definition, Ligandrol will help you build some noticeable size and more definition, RAD 140 is like Tren - it makes you super aggressive - which is good for heavy training, and Cardarine is great for endurance and weight loss. Combine a few of these and it is the same as running a recomp cycle. Bear in mind that they are Androgen Receptor Modulators and can have similar negative effects on your prostate as Testosterone and DHT based steroids. They will also affect your lipid profile and your cholesterol levels negatively. They really aren't safer than AAS - they are essentially just a modified oral form.
I did a lot of research before taking them, but also fell for the hype of them being safer, and wanted to believe that they might be as good as AAS but a more 'healthy' option...the thing is, if they are so good, why did all the research companies stop their experiments in early 2000s? There has been no significant further research since 2004 because they were finally deemed to be just as side-effect prone as AAS, but with little extra benefit. Cardarine (not a SARM) is the only chemical compound still being looked at for future medicinal use.
I've heard that GW is just grouped with SARMS, but wasnt Osterine a prescription pharmeceutical at one time
Not that I am aware of. It was always a research drug - and that's how sellers today are getting around the law - by selling it as a 'research drug for lab use only.' https://www.usada.org/spirit-of-sport/education/substance-profile-ostarine/
I have run ligandrol many times but sarms have so much side effects even they promoting them they are much healthier than roids.
^^ Correct.
I really dont know shit about shit, that's why I post. I'm learning
I’ve been watching this dude’s channel lately. It’s interesting.
A lot of people dont like him, or BOSTON lloyd for that fact but these guys are experiment machines. Lol. They just fuck themselves up and put it on paper with facts. That's the way thay I see it. Tony and his crew are a bit crazy, but they are far from stupid, or dumb I should say, and I feel they are honest to their readers and fans/non fans. Imma keep reading aNd I listen to them
There is a big big difference between him and lloyd... I have been following Tony since the beggining (he was the one that made Sarms worldwide famous even Sarms existed long before he started promoting them), the difference is that Tony experiments with and objective in mind and all his protocols have some sort of idea behind (to try to enhance X or Y with one path or another), boston is like... I'll pin whatever i want and more is better right?
Good point. Lpl. Boston, what Not to do. Eventually, we'll see what happens
StevebThanks for posting this
I ran Ostraine. It made me lethargic af.
That was about it.
I learned a little about PCT, a proper pct, even with the best product, it's all about timing and the correct dosage and timing. SARMS really are new, although the substances used or the roots, plants etc have been around forever, mixing the correct stuff at the right time is all that makes everything work properly. So much trial and error, and gets damn expensive and frustrating. Goes with food, training etc. Aromasin, 2 different brands works as an excellent sleep aid. Lethargic also, big time, so found it better at night. Prami is even worse, I stayed groggy for days but for some, they have an opposite effect. I just thought this really is the beginning of some very helpful data, hypothesis, theories and fact
It's extremely obvious that you know fuck all about SARMS. They are nor plant derivatives, they are chemical compounds.
Gotcha-Just as Morphine is derived from the Opium poppy and Heroin is derived from Morphine
No, you don't 'get me' - you are just making yourself look more uneducated on the topic. Do some research. I have a shitload of research papers on all of the major SARMs, and NONE mention the ligands as being plant derived.
And I remember recently commenting on a pic of yours and for being in your middle years, holy moly, hats off sir. You are phenominal and a great example and role model. Thanks for setting me straight. I tend to make a fool of mysmef but I'm here to learn from you and some others
You're correct. I have not looked deep enough. I havnt looked at this stuff in years and must have it confused with AAS Organ shields and protectants, etc. I believe you, and I'm reading on the subject material now. Thank you for opening it up; I wont argue with you, but I feel good about your confidence, knowledge, and SARM experience thus far.
Regardless, the largest obstacle with all this stuff is choosing the right lab, chemical, and stack. I only go after the best stuff, most often I listen to higher ranking members and experiences buddies, but, got to put my trust somewhere. So here we go. Lots of reading.
Thanks for the kind words. I can be blunt sometimes - it's not meant to be insulting, it's just my nature (surly old dude ;-) ). Here's an excerpt from a piece that I wrote for another forum some time ago: S22/MK-2866 is a chemical manipulation of the Aryl Propionamide analog, which is a non-steroidal anti-androgen structure. The main Aryl Propionamide analog compound is Bicalutamide which is presently used worldwide to treat Prostate cancer. S22/MK-2866 is an Aryl Propionamide analog-derived SARM developed from chemical manipulation of the anti-androgen Bicalutamide. Bicalutamide is a synthetic and nonsteroidal compound which was derived from Flutamide, which is also a synthetic, nonsteroidal anilide analog. Most of the common SARMs are Aryl Propionamide derivatives.
The lab I bought from sells legit gear and it's not too expensive. Since they are not a source here I can't mention them. Choosing a stack will depend on what you are trying to achieve. If you want to put on some size and gain some strength, go with a stack of Ostarine and Ligandrol or Rad -140. First time I think you should just run one compound at a low dose, just so that you can see the effect. Run a stack of two or three and you won't know what is working and what is not. Also, if you are running AAS - forget running SARMs at the same time - you won't notice their effect as they are more subtle than AAS. Do a proper PCT - then run your SARM/s with a clear system. You can actually incorporate SARMs in your PCT - but best to start clean and give all your internal organs and your whole system a break from PEDs. Just my 2c worth.
Thanks for this. Interesting. I'm not finished reading these pages that I posted here, need to read them slowly but I just try to use some common sense, and I do more than less trust this crew.
It's really new to me, and if I were to run one it would be the Osterine for starters maybe with that Growth, I can't remember exactly but the MK-677 I believe, but all this really is useless without a good amount of the right food. I've learned that much recently. This next one I may do these as an experiment and just eat right, and more calories, anyhow. There are things lagging more important than the chemicals right now
MK-677 is not SARM - it is a growth hormone secretagogue, meaning that it stimulates your body to produce more GH and IGF-1. It's basically a precursor drug to GH/IGF-1. It has been clinically demonstrated to slow muscle wasting and have mild anabolic effects, but apparently it chemically mimics the hormone Ghrelin as it functions as a neuropeptide in the central nervous system. Ghrelin is a hormone that affects appetite, learning and memory, the Circadian Rhythm, taste, reward behavior, and glucose metabolism. So it can have a pretty dramatic effect on brain function and possibly behaviour. I have never tried it because it was expensive and some well-known GH products sold by sources here were similar in price. I preferred to use GH. If you do try it - post up your experience for others to read.
I'd rather run GH myself. The 677 is expensive and I've never ran gh before. I'd try the Goldtops people seem to enjoy. Much less expense. Thanks again.
I'm running ostarine now and couldn't be happier with the results. I'm using it with trt and I've essentially kept all my gains and I'm actually stronger now than when I was on cycle.
I ran it once before from a other source and had no results at all so the quality is very source-specific.
I think it's all about getting the right stuff and timing really is everything. Regardless, I found this article a monster of unknown, and helpful, valid info
Probably it was a PH like SD or something, i have seen lots of reports of sources trying to pass PH as Sarms (sarms are way more expensive).
Osta is very mild so making you lethargic sounds strange to me... Or i could be wrong everybody reacts different to PEDS but just my 2 cents.
I thought about that.
Hey,.could be. Eventually there will be 1 answer with all facts