Nandrolone and Buprenorphine (Suboxone)
False Positive Drug Test for Bupronorphine. I dont take this drug ever and it is the same as Suboxone. I do an outpatient type of Opioid recovery and I'm drug tested at least every 5 weeks. I've been in for 8 weeks and have had 2 positive tests for buprenorphine. This happens back in 2014 as well when I was running deca and Tren combo. I just finished an 7 week of Tren A and NPP (my shoulder and elbow joints feel great and I have worn out elbows and a degenerative tear in the rotator, but feels great since the npp) and I'm testing positive for Buprenorphine, again. Has this happened to anybody. I had the same issue back in 2014. Is there pain reliever in npp? Serious question. I dont take suboxone nor any other drug outside of this programs requirements. I need help. Negative and miserable people need not answer.
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Like T raw said, i know this is old but I wanted to chime in. I take Naltrexone which is a pure opiod ANTAGONIS. It has zero euphoric effect and it non addictive. all it does is render opiods inoperable. its actually nice. I can keep taking this and it keeps me on the straight and narrow without taking anything that is addictive or has any type of withdrawal effect like Suboxone. At first my main problem was oxy. then i was getting clean, then i found Kratom. fuck kratom. they have kratom extract thats supper addictive and has very nasty withdrawal side effects. Kratom seemed to be more of a problem for me than actual opiods.
I know this is SOOOOO OLD lol, but I’ve been on suboxone for almost 2 years slowly tapering from 12mg now down to 4-5mg ED. Some employers may not understand the drug itself and think it alters one’s abilities and whatnot, but as a person medically prescribed, it does not at all. If someone who’s never taken an opiate took it, hell yeah they’d get an effect from it. There’s just so much more education that needs to be passed on to the higher ups or “people” who make laws. On another note…. Testclear.com has powdered urine that is 100% clean. And has never failed. I don’t believe anyone who is taking suboxone as prescribed to recover from an illness should have to risk losing their livelihood because of undereducated and outdated laws/rules/whatever. Hope this helps someone. And If anyone’s struggling , message me, I guarantee I’ve been there lol. All love guys stay safe
https://youtu.be/G-9w4MldNH0.
Mike Morris Raw honest video that I finally found after several attempts of searching. Must watch. You wont regret spending the time
I'm in the SW USA we are a cheap state AMD I think it boils down to cheap dip stick testing. Those give false positive results all the time
I have heard of Labs putting stadol, an synthetic opiod, in gear. Mostly in short acting ester compounds. This lowers pip and gives the user a euphoric feeling. That way they feel the compound right away and also buy more.
Professor
haven't heard of that professor curious as to where you got this information
That's totally theoretical. You wont find this in a real pharmeceuticl
not in real pharmaceuticals? I did not get that memo
This is just an example, vague really but I'm not leaning just toward pharmaceuticals, but anything having to do with sales of service of products etc. We should no what is in everything that we consume. For example, findings of another ingrediant(s) in a substance that was not listed on the box, pills container or a 10ml vial, such as .05mg of buprenorphine per ml found in the vial of Nandrolone Decaonate Durabolin 250, but was no listed in the ingrediants section of the label. This goes for everything.
I'm off of the clonidine and hydroxizine, they should be out of my system by now. Any and all detectable pharmaceutical products in my body, blood, and system are methadone, Testosterone Enanthate, and Nandro-Phynal-Prop. Been several weeks since I uses any Tren A 100. Nad I should be UAd within the next couple of weeks. I'm sure that these tests are done in an inexpensive way and done in a lab who uses only dipsticks that detect street drugs such as Meth, cocaine, heroin (acete morphine 6) , ***Benzos (deadly mixture so a positive test for any benzodiazepine is an automatic medical discharge; benzos are a big NoNo), and various opiate, opioid, and synthetic opioids ranging from morphine (opiate) Oxycodone (opioid), vicoden (opiate), codeine (opiate) methadone (opioid) and buprenorphine (sythetic opioid), and a few more, usually THC and PCP but these types of programs dont test for THC any longer.
I was being sarcastic .... check out what they do to fast food to induce cravings ...
Took me along time to type that out on this flippin android,lol
please accept my profuse apologies;-)
jayiskfirst time ever hearing that. I know in the 90's when a lot of gear was coming into the states from mexico. Nubain (nalbuphine) became big in the gym scene.
Claimed BB's would use it to help train through pain. Pure bullshit a lot of good people good hooked on that shit shooting it up. And led them down the rabbit hole.
Opioids or synthetic opioids have no place in the gym or for people on gear. Or anyone unless dealing with acute pain or chronic pain management.
Not referring to anyone on suboxone maintenance/methadone working on coming off opioids.
Alphamale500My friend used to use Nubain while juicing. Sadly, he died from an OD many yrs ago. I'm not saying it's related, just putting it out there. That is pure bullshit about pain killers being used in the gym to help with recovery or whatnot! They absolutely have no place in the gym!+
Nubian is the drug that I'm looking for. There is a big time problem with that stuff.
Alphamale500What do you mean looking for? Like, you're looking to score some???
I'm trying to research the professional bodybuilder who recently quit his steroid HGH, Insulin and opioid abuse (Abuse being defined as: the continued use or misuse of a drug despite its negative consequences often resulting in death) because his kidneys were failing; the BB had claimed that his Doctor had informed and referred him to get set up for dialysis. Depsite the Docs findings and recommendations, the BB had a full recovery instead after stopping all the compounds, The BB talks about Still battling his use kf the pain medication (cant remember the name of the opioid) and claims that there is a large handful of "Professional Bodybuilders" that are still struggling with the opioid addiction.
This video is real, raw and I believe that validity of this interview is very truthful and to the bone, an eye opener.
Incannot find the damn interview. It was raw and straight forward. I'll keep looking but he says how it is for him. Talks about opioid abuse in BB and I beleive that this specific drug is the one guys are hooked on. Damn right there is no room for this behaviors in BB but it is in fact a big problem
Alphamale500Being that there may be a large percentage of professional bodybuilders struggling with opioid addiction, really isn't surprising to me at all! Although, idk if it's a higher percentage than the average population rates of drug addiction, but maybe. I mean, there's a large part of the entire population struggling with opioid/drug addiction!! It's a very serious epidemic.
Imo, I think that people who've already been using/injecting other substances into their bodies to alter their mind/body, would be more inclined to use other mind altering substances than the average person. Mainly because they've already made peace, or justified using/injecting different compounds into their body for whatever reason, and they've likely been doing it for yrs. So it wouldn't be much of a leap for them to use/inject a painkiller because of some pain from their last workout. Definitely less so than to someone who's never used drugs in any form.
Bodybuilders or the average Joe, drug addiction (specifically opioid addiction) is a MAJOR problem all over the world and a lot more really needs to be done about it.
jayiskBy using a needle to inject steroids it made it very easy to switch when i started injecting hardcore drugs. Actually thing the first was nubain since it was readily available through juice dealers in the gym. And it wasnt look at as a hardcore drug..,yet. Until people ran out of it and started going through withdrawals. Then would take whatever they could get to keep from getting sick.
Yes people have a moral or ethical issue about switching to IV drug use. Or people that smoke crack/meth or sniff drugs like to call them junkies. But in reality it is the strongest and best route of administration. And the needle becomes an addiction also.
But all that shit is purely from the devil. best to never try it. It will ruin your life or kill you.
Even if you do manage to stay clean life is never the same. those drugs raise the feel good chemicals in your brain well above anything you will ever feel again.
Alphamale500Absolutely true! +Something drastic really needs to be done to end this fuckn opioid/opiate epidemic. There's gotta be something!!
The needle is the right way to go, really. And Crack cocain is a straight up Ghetto drug. Whether anything is snorted, smoked, swallowed or Injected, the lifestyle that follows and the behaviors that destroy is just the junkie itself. Being hooked on the needle, a ritual itself, is no different than pulling a cig from the pack, packing it then lighting it, another ritual. If it's a mind altering substance that destroyed lives of the users and society as a whole, the term Junkie is just another stereotype followed by ominous consequences.
And particularly needles, are dangerous all around especially when it comes to contamination. Healthy skin bacteria itself will turn into osteomylitus real quick. Opiates need to be used everyday to avoid a brutal withdrawal. This nibain ur talking about, is it derived from the opium poppy such as Morphine or codeine or is synthesized as an opioid or synthetic opioid such as buprenorphine
jayiskNubain is a type of synthetic morphine. they list it as a synthetic opioid agonist-antagonist. They gave it to my wife before going into labor in the hospital with our child.
it effects are stronger then buprenorphine..,which people also use to get high.
either way its another drug to stay far away from. As it easily lets to dependence. The only positive attribute is it has a ceiling effect. So you can only get so high and not OD from it.
"However, NUBAIN exhibits a ceiling effect such that increases in dose greater than 30 mg do not produce further respiratory depression in the absence of other CNS active medications affecting respiration. NUBAIN by itself has potent opioid antagonist activity at doses equal to or lower than its analgesic dose."
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...but keeps the user chasing the dragon.
In other words, chasing that high, or desired affect. The antagonist effect the drug has works as tolerance would with opiates with high abuse potential which can lead to abuse, addiction and or even death. Fuck man, this drug is a gateway to heroin or heavy opiates with no ceiling. Buprenorphine and methadone ain't shit compared to heroin; good heroin. Slamming a half gram of heroin is the same affect as blasting 80mg of oxycodone. Deadly for the amateur with low tolerance
Heard about that too. Fact is, where Injuries are prone so are opioids or opiates, heroin being the easiest to obtain (let's not talk about Paul deMay or Titus being able to train and sleep and eat all of his meals wired on the best cocaine. All wrestlers such as those from The extreme championship ECW, WWF etc, those dudes are jackup up and Intoxicated bigtime. All those oldschoolers are addicts and you never here about the NFL until the homie commits a high profile crime, murders his wife and mom in law while high on cocaine, and then hits big time news. There is no place for this in BB, but its huge, a handful of BB are addicted because of serious injuries. Let's not talk about Craig Titus, Rich Piana, I can go on and on man, and then Arnold or Dorian Yates are all about medicinal Maryjane.
THC is still a drug. As much as I've tried to deny and fight it, and I vouch for THC bog time, it is in fact a gateway drug fkr youth simply because of its illegalness. Lol. Let's not go there.
couldn't agree more.
I think if it’s anything it’s the clonidine however I’ve never heard of it doing that but it does help with opiate withdrawals even though it’s a BP Medicine it May have a similar method
Of action causing your body to produce metabolites for Buprenorphine. I would think if anything it would cause a false positive for opiates but it could also be a shitty test I get tested regularly and had to have 2 sent off to the lab in the past 3 years so you may have to request that.
One of the counselors said that she sees ot all the time and just ignores it. Besides, methadone e and suboxone mixed can make a person very sick and drive him into a bad withdraw. Besides, I hate suboxone. I dont plan on staying with this clinic for long. Long story. Have a few goals first. And this BB community is amazing
I switched from methadone to suboxone once apon a time and it was brutal so I know no one would ever mix them. I came off once I got my life in order. If the counselor sees it all time then my guess is their tests suck
I'm off of the clonidine and hydroxizine for 3 days now. I'll be testing Urine Analysis In the next 2 weeks. I'm starting to beleive they send the UAs out to a lab that just does those cheap dip stick testing which give false positives all the time. Cheap asses. I've tested positive for PCP several times with those sticks and seen people go to prison over those false positives I may just buy some strips and test it myself. Its got me wondering. But you may very well be correct. Clonidine does help with withdrawals, I wont run tren without it, great for anxiety; and locinipril, a BP med does give a false positive for buprenorphine
jayiskclinic sends for cheap testing.., bills insurance for more money...
Urine testing is a big business.
Sounds exactly right bud. Correcto bigtime
This is super interesting, given that metabolites are what's tested for, and the mechanism of action for any steroid is far removed from the mechanism of action of bup. The half life is extensive and the metabolite very specific. If you hadn't experienced something similar years ago, I would say it is sometging else you're ingesting or in your diet. However, It is most likely the result of the incredibly cheap testing gear clinics use. In my experience (which is lengthy), the cheap tests used by clinics, parole offices, etc. are always the lowest quality possible, resulting in many, many false positives and errant results.
I gotta say, I love the openness and transparency of this discussion. Also, the lack of on-high advice is beautiful as well.
Not really to do with npp but watch the otc medication mucinex. I had a false positive after taking this. I bitched about it so they sent it out to a lab for further testing. Came back negative. They said it was the active ingredient guanfacine
Hmm. I believe you
Sounds to me like your orals are cut with some bs. But I doubt a source would do that I pass all mine once a month
Maybe I’m over simplifying it here but why would the clinic even question this? My point being ...what need would you have or what benefit would you get from taking Subs if you’re on methadone lol. I’m not trying to be a dick. Using common sense they should be able to determine that it was def a false positive
My counselor had brought it up during a session. It was my first UA besides the primary intake. No your right. Not being a dick bro. I just told her that I'm not taking it. She claimed that they send then off to a real lab that uses real equipment that I do not believe. I'll never move up step levels but dont matter. It wont get me into trouble, but I think it's a matter of Cheap Testing. Locinipril gives a false positive for suboxone. Uve committed to 6 months anyhow. Methodone is powerful and gets into the bones and mutates worse than morphine and its derivative, heron. Just getting so.e clean time from pain meds, letting my body and mind transition then will take 3 months at 5mg a day to come off of it smoothly. I have a long road but I've been there and know what I gotta do. Just got to stay healthy and out of surgeries with long stays. It's hard to say no when your in pain and I have that gene for opiates. Sad but true
Alphamale500It's likely not the medication suboxone itself that they're worried about, but the Buprenorphine itself. Buprenorphine was around long before suboxone, and is a mild/moderate pain killer. Buprenorphine is in some meds other than suboxone, by itself as the active ingredient that wouldn't cause withdrawal symptoms with someone taking methadone.
Meds like Buprenex injections, subutex pills, and sublocade injections which have only Buprenorphine as their active ingredient, and none of the naloxone which would cause someone on methadone to suffer withdrawl symptoms and whatnot.
jayisknaloxone is the other ingredient in Suboxone that causes severe withdrawal. that is why you cant take your first dose of suboxone until at least 18 hrs or more after your last use of opiates. you need to be in active withdrawal before taking it.
they added it so people on suboxone maintenance would get sick if they used opiates during tx.
to switch from methadone to suboxone i believe you have to wait a few days because of the long half life in methadone.
Yiur exactto bro
Alphamale500Yeah I know that. But the point I'm making is it's the ingredient Buprenorphine in suboxone that they test for, and also the one that has the "intoxicating" effects. While Buprenorphine is in subxone with naloxone, it's also in a few other meds without the naloxone. Naloxone is the ingredient which would cause the withdrawal symptoms if it were used with methadone, and not the Buprenorphine.
Of course nobody in their right mind would even wanna use suboxone with methadone, and there wouldn't be any point other than to put you in withdrawal and put you through hell, lol! So I get where @ChrisMdPaNc is coming from.
But those on methadone could use the other Buprenorphine based meds without any withdrawal issues. Like those meds that I mentioned earlier such as Buprenex, Subutex and Sublocade which only contain Buprenorphine as their one and only active ingredient and no naloxone. So the use of these types of meds with just Buprenorphine in them and no naloxone, is what the clinic would be concerned with, and why they would test for Buprenorphine in the first place.
jayiskI know you know that. and my post wasnt to contradict anything you wrote because you are correct. It was just for general knowledge for members that dont know about this stuff.
Alphamale500Oh, alright! I wasn't being confrontational, I thought that you didn't understand what I was trying to explain to @ChrisMdPaNc and I was just trying to break it down, that's all. It's all good bro!
Alphamale500This is one main reason that I sometimes don't like texting! The way that you write something and sounds perfectly fine to you, another person can read and take it a totally different way! Lol, smh!!
Bingo
Very odd. Could just be the test is shitty? Or could be a variety of things. I was unaware that blood pressure meds could flag a false positive for bup as well.
I hope you can get off the methadone tho brother. That’s a tough one to kick. Suboxone did save my life tho. We all have to take the journey our own way tho. Good luck man.
I’ve been on every bp med they got and always passed I call bs
Nope I get randoms at work and was taking nandrolone. Came up clean and they test for buoenorphine.
I've never given a false positive when on npp or any other aas.