+ 5 DAD IS DYING
well i just got some fucked up news... my dad has been in some bad health for some time has had two heart attacks, has a rare kidney disease that is only passed down through the mother, and has been on dialysis for over a year,, the next heart attack will kill him says the doctor... he went to the doctor after having a bunch more tests done and the doctor says he will not make it another 6 months... now, we have not had the best relationship, he was an alcoholic and drug user.. he abused me as a child and i have grown bitter to him, there are many things i would like to say but have not, a friend says that i should talk to him about it,, but i say why? whats it gonna change now? alot of he things (abuse) i endured as a child my mother knows nothing about and i dont want to crush her with this because i know she would freak and probably devorce him.... i have alot of mixed feelings alot of them is anger.... i killed the weights today so hard that people looked at me funny, but i had to let it out
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sgtstedankoSorry to hear that, brother... Communicate fully w/him now. You'll wish you would have later, if you don't... There's no coming back
Anontrue that bro
Hey bro, just read this.
I'm sorry that you had to go through this. There isn't a kid in the world who should ever have to suffer at the hands of an adult. I commend you for fighting hard to break the cycle as an adult.
I'll share my opinion, but absolutely respect any decision you make. You and only you understands what you went through, and I'm not going to pretend to understand what kind of shit you went through.
I think you need to sit down and talk to your dad. Tell him how you felt and what you did after he did certain things to you. Do it calmly, so that you can paint a good clear picture and so he knows what kind of pain he put you through. Talk about specific instances, talk about what he did, and how you felt etc. Helping him understand clearly the pain that he caused will hurt him a hell of a lot more than you knocking his teeth out. Talk as long as you need to so that you feel satisfied that he has a full understanding of what kind of pain he put you through.
He needs to know with a clear picture what he did.
After you are done tell him that you are going to do your best to forgive him because after all the things he took from you as a child, he could never take your heart.
Then what you need to do is forgive him. Not for him, but for you. Carrying the hate and resentment around only hurts you. There was a time in my life that I was wronged pretty seriously, and carrying around all of that hate damn near ruined me. The anger consumed me to a point that it made me uglier than the person that wronged me. It wasn't until I really forgave that I started to heal.
That's just my opinion bro. I'm sorry again that you had to deal with that. It sounds like you are a pretty good dude, doing a hell of a job becoming the real man that your father didn't teach you to be.
That deserves points from me.
Anoni appreciate your thoughts bro and the time you took to put them here and for tking time to read the thread
thanks... beleive me i been thinkin real hard about this
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkCleyonI've read through this over the weekend, but was confined to my iPhone for internet, so I didn't post.
Monstahh, my heart goes out to you. Not only for what you've endured, but for what you are going through now. I have no idea what you went through, and can't imagine the pain and anger that you carry with you. I applaud your thoughtfulness toward your Mom, and would agree that she should be kept far away from this. At the same time I think you having a conversation with your Dad and letting him know how much he hurt you is important for closure. I wouldn't look at it as a confrontation, but a way to get it all out so that you can forgive and move on.
In the end, I believe that is the only way you can truly put this behind you. It seems like you've done a great job not passing the pain along to your son, and that is awesome, but healing yourself is just as important.
Nothing but love, you are in my prayers.
Anonthanks cleyon and thanks for pointing that out about my mom see, cause he was good at hiding this shit.... she has no idea and thinks i had a good child hood except all the fights and trouble that i been in during school, she jus didnt have a clue wha i was really goin thru, and to let her know now that she is in her 50s may create a crisis for her and ruin her,,, she had me at a real young age,, my dad was too
you starting to see?
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkCleyonI see bro, it's a crappy position for you to be in all the way around, but I don't think you could make things any better by bringing her into it. I think ED gave some great advice above, just remember that even ahead of your Mom, your wife and kid are the most important things you have.
Anonexactly
AnonWhen you say he abused you do you mean he hit you ?
Do you have kids of your own ? In other words are you letting this effect you as a dad ?
Ive seen a lot of men who are total fucking assholes to their kids and wives, but all of a sudden when they realize their mortality they start looking to make things right.
You dont have to forgive him, or comfort him he fucked up and chose to be a bad dad. This is about you and how its affecting you now and in the future. You need to figure this part out before you act, or miss the opportunity .
Anonbro i endured every kind of abuse from him there is... yes..
i do have a little boy i be damned if he is treated the way i was... he is spoiled, i treat him and my wife well and have never abused them nor will i... i would never want them to go thru what i have been through
Breaking the cycle man! I could write a book about a similar up bringing. You are doing the right thing. Break the cycle, continue counseling, and try the letter thing. Talk to your counselor about talking to your father. Try not to think about it as not being able to change any of the past. You're doing it for you and your family and future. Hoping you can find peace with it brother.
Anonthanks mack,, thats wht im working towards... i would have never thought this thread would have such a turnout
this place is f'n great a big part of my life
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkAnonOk well thats awesome of you and you are indeed a better man. So the question remains, how do you feel your past is/may be impacting your present and future ?
I wrote my dad off about 6 years ago, he has never laid eyes on my youngest boy. I have resolved things in my mind and know when I get the call telling me he's dead it wont matter to me.
Again to be clear, my sentiments are that this matters only for you, you do not owe him anything so he may die in peace. On that same note though, what will be the value of telling him how fucked up he was/is ? If it will cleanse you then do it, if it will be like ranting at a brick wall then you may want to consider what that will bring you.
Perhaps putting your thoughts down in a letter to him would be wise, then read it and re read it a day later , and after that you decide to mail it or throw it away.
Anonits impacted me very negatively bro.. i dont know about the future but,, my past has been shit fights, trouble..., trouble with relationships, confidence, i have gotten better in recent years through counsiling... but to answer the rest of your question??? thats my only question... maybe it will be useless waste of time... thats a good idea about the letter..... good post bro
AnonI WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU THAT TOOK THE TIME TO LEND AN EAR AND SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS... SOME OF YOU ARE GOOD FRIENDS OF MINE THAT I WOULD HAVE NEVER KNEW THAT EXPERIENCE SIMILAR SHIT
THANK YOU AND I WILL BE THINKING ABOUT WHAT I AM GOING TO DO
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkI don't want to go into too much detail about my father and the things I lived through but I'll say that it was very similar. Maybe worse because he wasn't an alcoholic or drug addict. He was of perfectly sound mind but in his culture (he was born in Israel) he believed if you weren't a tough boy, you'd grow to be a weak man. He isn't dying, but about a year ago I found out he is serving what will turn out to be a life sentence at his age. All the resentment , all the hate, all the horrible memories went out the window when I saw this man who lived his life and taught his children that only the strong survive, in a totally debilitating weakened state. It was humbling! There was nothing to do but accept who he was ad make my peace. I totally understand the way you feel brother, but if you don't in some way speak your peace, you will regret it. Your options are to just say fuck it and hopefully forget. Or you can be a better man than he will ever be by forgiving and making peace. Either way, I got your back partner. You need me ,you know how to find me.
Anonthanks bro, i appreciate what you have said
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkI am a firm believer that people get what they deserve with that being said, and sorry if that sounds wrong, but I have to agree with you bro: what good will it do now to talk about it. What you can do is use this pain to your advantage, like you did at the gym, as long as you can control it. However, if it starts to effect your life or the people around you, then you have to talk about with someone. I talk to my wife about shit that has happened in my past and I find it helps a lot
Anonmy first wife had no clue and i did not talk with her about it but this wife i opened up to, she understands and we kinda have that in common because her father was not the best to her either
Such a sad post :( My heart goes out to you. Imho I think you would feel better and have peace of mind if you were to speak to him and tell him exactly how you felt/feel. A lot of people regret never saying anything once it is too late. Whatever choice you make will be the right one for you though ;) My thoughts are with you hun.
Anoni think you are reight heart... its not easy...but hell nothin has been so i should prolly jus go for it
Sorry to hear that man. In my personal opinion I would talk to him. I mean you could just ask him why he did those things. He may try to deny or disagree about it. Or the other thing is he could apologise.
If nothing changes during the confrontation at least when he passes you will eventually have the piece of mind to be able to move on and live your life to try and be a better man then he ever was. If he does apologise and try to fix what he can then you can forgive him
If you never talk to him, DO NOT beat yourself up about it later in life.
Sometimes it is better to be the bigger person and forgive. Being rejected is one of the worst feelings someone can go through.
good luck
Wow...I really want to comment on this, but I could write pages. To put it simple, I know where you are coming from...I had a TERRIBLE relationship with my father and still do. He wants to reach out, but right now...I won't let him, it's still not time for me. It's hard to get into, but the guy has some MAJOR problems...he abused my mother and my sister and me for years. It may not have been so much physical, but downright mental and emotional warfare. He's so much of an asshole, he doesn't even know how much of an asshole that he is. The dude was NEVER here while I was growing up and if he was, he was drunk and non-existant...acted like he didn't care we were even alive. He is a master manipulator and control freak, it gets donwright scary....and the booze doesn't help someone's bad habits/behaviors. My parents are FINALLY divorced after 35 years and it's the best thing that ever happened...for EVERYONE!!! Geez....I could go on and on.
Point is, is that there comes a time to make amends with yourself and someday with whoever else...only YOU can choose that time and make it the best time. Other than that, it will backfire...like how telling your mom will crush her. You can tell her, I just think it's better to do that LATER...after your dad has 'moved on'...I am not trying to be an asshole and be morbid by saying that, but somethings like that are meant to be said to certain others at the right time only, ya know?...just for the sake of yourself, her and your father. I used to carry around ALOT of anger and it came out in my behavior...I ended up in prison because of my anger and resentments, and it probably stemmed from the wreckage of my past. The best thing to do is to bust off that rear-view mirror in your life...you can't move backwards, ONLY forwards.
Anoni like this post here,, and agree with what you said about my mom..... i appreciate every response this thread got i didnt think this many guys that i know share similar experiences... i feel for all of you as well, i thank all of you for the thoughts you have shared
sorry to hear it bro. you know that me and the entire eroids family is here for you. as far as the situation. let it ride. no good will come of bringing it back. enjoy the time u hav left.
Sorry to hear that bro, I am no dr., but I say take that shit to your grave, no good can come from it now. I have stuff not the same, but similar, and I stuff it away dont ever talk about it. That's the key is doing what you did, by channeling your emotions into a healthy outlet, so many people cant deal w/ what you're dealing w/ right now w/ out using alcohol or drugs to numb the pain. Stay strong. I figure everyone's got a skeleton in their closet?... Keep up the hard work...
My heart goes out to you and your family brother. Your story hits close to home for me. As a child i put up with alot of abuse from my father who was also a drunk and a junkie for many years. He left my mother ( who is a saint ) to raise my brother and I by her self. As time went on and i got older i grew to FUCKING hate my father and swore to never be the kind of man he was and even to this day i strive to be a better father, husband and a better person than he was.
As we both grew older and as the years went by he tried to reconect with his family and make up for lost time and all the fucked up shit that he put us through. I tend to hold grudges, so for years i wanted nothing to do with him and bascialy gave him the coldest of shoulders as he did to me all those years when i just wanted someone to look up too.
My father died of an OD when i was 17, and there were alot of unresolved issues and SO many things that i wanted to say to him, but because of my stuborness and my animosity towards him, well i never got the chance. It is one of my biggest regrets to this day Monstahh that i never confronted him about how i felt about him all those years. 11 years later and that shit still haunts me. The pain is still there and it will never go away because it was never resolved. Now, i cant tell you what to do, that is for you to decide. I know that in your heart you will make the right decision for YOU.
Thanks for letting me share and good luck brother.
Anondamn.......... real close to home... thank you for the words, very interesting
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkYour very welcome
+1 from me for sharing your story.
Anonthanks for the karma i really appreciate that...... and i accepted the f.r.
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.Permalinknaguib123Sorry bro, it must be an awkward situation , for i didnt have a good relation with my dad but that changed later down the line when i turned 19, I would confront him, u got nothing to lose. everyone got their own uniqueness, i hope u find that in ur dad. grief and anger wont get u no where
Anonyea i know
I think it would probably be good for you to confront him about the past. It may help you let it go by letting him know how he affected your life. He is probably gonna be gone soon but you are gonna be around for many years too come.Get that shit off your mind and make him take it with him.
Anonyea i think your right
My father died recently, even if you have mixed feelings man up and be there by his side when he needs you and when it's time to go. You don't get a 2nd chance at this.
Anonthanks for sharing
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkDamn my brother Monstah I know a thing about abuse or two. My step dad abused me and the same thing happened to me as did u. I fought and fought and gang banged and rode with some serious demons on my trip down a personal hell. I let it control me and my life. Until finally I was too tired and broken to fight. I gave up entirely. I almost lost my wife and nearly my life. U know what saved me brother? I forgave. I forgave him and myself. I blamed myself for it all. When I finally stopped telling myself I wasn't worth shit I finally had the courage to forgive. In forgiveness we are at our most fearless and strongest. I've been in therapy for a year and honestly I regret never doing it sooner. Best of luck to u brother. If u ever need to chat bro hit me up.
Anonu should never blame yourself... we were just innocent kids.... forgivness is hard but it may be something i have to endure, cant be no harder than what i have been through... i lost my first wife due to all this,, but i opened up about it to my wife... she knows all the nasty details every bit... she cant stand him, but is nice to him in respect to me
Ur wife sounds just like mine. I was pretty lucky to have such an amazing woman who will back me no matter what I do. My mom divorced my stepdad so there is no family get togethers.
Anondamn im glad she does it helps
Anonanybody else lived there life this way?
zewiDam brother we are here for you.. I will say a prayer for you and the Family.
Anonthat nice of you to say
zewinot saying doing brother.. I may rage and have my moments. But i say my prayers and those that need them.
Anonoh do i ever know about rage and understand it fully bro.... sometimes we rage at each other in here and when we are done sometimes we can be friends... its all feelings
and thank you
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkI am really sorry to hear this. My prayers go out to you and your dad. One thing i can say i wouldnt leave anything unsaid. Even if what u have to say is negative and just something you have to get off your chest. Talking to him may change nothing or it may change everything. telling him how you feel should at least help you get rid of some of that anger, thats eating you up. You will never know unless you try. I am sure that when he reflects back on his life he regrets alot he has done..... My father passed away suddenly, we didnt have a good relationship to say the least. We left alot of things unsaid between us. To this day it still bothers me.
Listen to this man X is right, God has given you the opportunity to heal yourself.In a way god through you is giving your father the opportunity to heal also so he can die in peace.Do not leave anything unsaid
Anondamn.... maybe i should
I am sorry to hear about your dad,I would go talk to him. Just to get it off your chest will be like a huge weight lifted off you. You obviously have been caring this around for a while and I think it's time before it's to late. If you don't feel better after talking to him at least you know you tried. Don't spend the rest of your life wondering "what if". Have the talk. Good Luck My Friend.
Anonhave been carryin it for 0ver 30years ,, its a tough decision,, i guess starting this thread was to just write it down and get it off my chest and see wht others say and feel , i know im not the only one that grew up this way and see how they have dealt with it, it has affected my whole life, i have been in so many fights and so much trouble in school and ........ not to mention the mental anguish... it has affected past relationships,, my current one is good cause she knows and understands , she has helped me seek counsiling,, the only good thing that has came from this is it has made me a good fighter over the years and now im a mix martial artist... if thats even a positive