+ 29 Women's Beginner Cycle..Anavar
I thought I'd post a beginning cycle for women as there doesn't seem to be that much info out there for women to go to
Please keep in mind that using AAS is not to be taken lightly and the side effects can be different for each individual as sensitivities do vary from person to person.
Anavar is a great way to introduce yourself to the world of AAS. Basic cycles can be as long as 12 weeks or as short as 8 weeks. Dosages range from 5mg to 10mg for a basic cycle.
It is recommended that if you are new you start your first week at 5mg split in half morning and evening. This is to keep your blood levels fairly steady as side effects will increase if you have spikes in levels.
If 5mg is tolerated well then move up to 10mgs. Again split morning and evening so you will be taking 5mg in the am and 5mg in the pm.
PCT is not normally discussed for women but it is an important part of the cycle especially if you start getting into some of the more advance stacks. Although, it is hard to find many who might agree, it is recommended that you taper yourself off on the tail end of the cycle. By doing this you set your system up to recover itself with out any huge increase in estrogen.
Generally speaking you may experience some fat loss and an increase in lean muslce mass given that diet and training are spot on..
#This is NOT a magic diet pill
Anavar promotes lean muscle mass with minimal sides and occasional water retention. In small enough doses that its impact on the liver is minimal for women. It is also attractive to women and beginners who are not interested in dealing with needles. The predictable and minimal sides are also attractive points to those not wanting to deal with the more individual and androgenic sides of most other AAS.
Typical Sides
· interrupted period / flow - may take a few months for the flow to come back as normal. Note this does NOT mean you won't get pregnant.
· you may still experience usual menstrual sides (cramps, bloating, etc.) on your regular menstrual schedule
· mild acne
· Clitoral enlargement and increased sensitivity
· oily hair
· some experience water retention (though not due to aromatization)
· may cause vaginosis / yeast infection (most any AAS has this potential)
· occasionally people experience nose bleeds
this information is intended for entertainment purposes and does not in any way shape or form advocate for the usage of aas
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Yes, that makes a lot of sense, thank you so much! After giving it some thought, coming off this cycle will probably give me a great chance to move into some hypertrophy work for a bit - as heavy as I have been going and will continue to go, it will probably be a welcome change for my body plus not be such a mind fuck if I experience some strength losses.
Also, I mentioned in my original post about the high (I think high) dosage I'm on. I'm feeling great, but I am curious to know if you think I should taper down and not stay so high for the entire cycle. Thoughts?
Thanks again for your help, I really appreciate it
For those that are considering trying a cycle, I would also reiterate that this is NOT a magic pill. And honestly, if you are training HARD (which is easy to do on anavar because your workouts will feel much easier and recovery is crazy awesome) chances are you are going to be really hungry and all of a sudden cutting while on cycle is really hard. Please just be prepared and be realistic about what you are prepared to do and what your mental state going into it is.
High is relative as far as dosages are concerned .. I run 50's now as a standard and sometimes I ll up it to 75 depending on what I am cycling.. I ll run 20mgs as a bridge into a cycle and normally I will taper off when I am cycling ..I'd recommend a taper down until you figure out how you are going to react and tailor what you do to your personal needs and issues.
Okay great! Thanks again!
But I still need a good beginner cycle. I build muscle rather easily but plateaued and used to weigh 210 I still have a tiNY bit of fat that won't budge perks of being a woman . Help?
good beginner cycle ... look up ^^^^^^^
All I read was anavar but what anti estrogen would you recommend?
I don't. an ai has no place in a basic beginner cycle
So just var? That's it ? No stacks? I gotta spend $200 :/
no stacks and just var yes and if you discuss with the source that you are a female they may waive the minimum for you ( i know I do)
They do that? Alin?
how would I know?
I emailed him about it a few days ago never got back to me
Looks like this forum turned into a "I know more than you do " page
When it come to women and steroids, it is a very complex subject. And everyone has an opinion. Everyone's body is different. What is right for one person might be the complete wrong thing for another. That's why there is so much precautions taken on this site. What's your current diet and training regime? You are more likely to get help from members if you post a detailed reply about what has gotten you to the point you are at.
I workout when I can which is at least 3x a week for 1-2 hours . I occasionally do cardio like the bike or elliptical. Diet is strange. I work thirds and sleep a lot so my caloric intake is low but I eat healthy carbs such as rice. I eat a ton of meat. Eggs or granola for breakfast sometimes bagels . I snack on almonds or Greek yoghurt. My body holds water easily and I gain weight easily so I might need an anti estrogen? I'm on antidepressants which probably doesn't help. I gain muscle easily but my stamina sucks a bit and I've plateaued. I'm not looking to be some physique model but I want nice hard popping muscles
If you build muscle easily, you probably need to manage your diet differently in order to burn of the fat that is covering your muscle. Some things that really helped me get to a lower body fat percentage was to actually start tracking my calories, weighing and recording every thing that went in my mouth through myfitnesspal. It sounds like you may need to increase your meal frequency, this will jump start your metabolism, which had probably slowed down from the low calorie intake. Increasing your calories will help this as well. If you go too low, your body will start holding onto everything. Also carb cycle is an idea for you to consider. Keeping your food healthy but adjusting when you take in your carbs to maximize them.
Maybe consider instead of time on the bike or eliptical, try some hiit cardio, like minute on, minute off sprints for ten or so minutes a couple times a week. Can shock your body into fat loss without burning through muscle. Just some ideas.
Lol you think I haven't tried all these things? Steroids were my last resort. The thing that helped me lose weight but also ate away muscle was low carbing. This is water weight and carbs aren't helping. I got labs done everything came back normal. I've tried clean dieting and that didn't do much. I read in a few bodybuilding books based on research that increasing meals at the same caloric intake is no different than a few meals with the same calories
I didn't say do it at the same intake. Low carb will only help so long. I said increase your calories and frequency. And sugguested carb cycling. How many calories are you currently eating and what are your macros now?
Do u use anavar? My calories are somewhere between 1,900 and 2,500. Couldn't tell you my macros honestly. I mostly eat carbs and meat unless it's a weak before my period I cut the carbs down
Yes. And my results varied dramatically each time depending on my diet. It was only when I had my diet completely iron clad did I get the results I wanted and finally lose my tummy.
I guess I could just screw around with everything since everyone's body is different.
you are going to need to reconsider your training and eating if you want "hard popping muscles"
You don't run an ai for water weight unless you have exhausted all other possible methods to rid yourself of excess water .... You run the risk of blowing up like a balloon after dropping the ai if you use it improperly.
you are going to run gear so training more than 45-50 min is counter productive.
not eating enough is counter productive
stamina isn't an issue building muscle you've plataued because your body has adjusted to what you are doing ... you change your training and in this case increase your caloric intake and you will move past the plateau
Var it is eyeroll
Wow, people like you seriously disturb me. No respect anymore.
What.
Good Post.
I have a few clients who I've helped prep for The Arnold Figure Championships and The Olympia. In most cases I only use Anavar at a highest dose of 10mg/day.. This does the trick quite well as it does not seem to cause side effects at this mg/amt and most females tolerate it very well. It does help both burn fat and increase muscle tissue which of course causes BMR to increase thereby causing even more rapid fat loss.
As stated in write up diet and training are of utmost importance during "on time" as they contribute greatly to the overall effectiveness of the gear taken. Along with the Var, the only other thing I have my girls use is Clen, and a moderate dose of Nolvadex as the show gets closer to help bring down estrogen and harden up the lower body.. This works wonders and it's not alot of gear at all.. In fact, very little to compete and win at the pro level.. Great little product.
Dr.R
New to this site. I've never done steroids before or cutters . Was in great shape two years ago haven't seen gym either so to my questions I'm 5.5 148 pounds and I'm 38yrs old . Clearly going to start diet and gym and was curious to what would be great start for me as far as cutting cycle etc etc . I hear bout t3 and Clen and Anavar . My gf is all on these but I want sound plan from a knowledgable person .thank you
You need a few years of diet and gym time consistently before you think about cycling. There is not such thing as cutting steroids or bulking steroids. Its all diet and training , along with cardio. I personally know 1 figure woman who won her pro card in the ifbb without any drugs and also know multiple bikini competitors who have done the same. How about posting up a pic with your face blurred out to see where your at? How about posting up in the forums in catylists diet lounge about what you've been eating and what you plan on eating? How about posting up here in the ladies lounge what you current training routine looks like and what you think you should be doing to lean out? How about what your current cardio routine looks like along with what you plan on doing to lean out? Diet 60% Training/cardio 35% drugs 5% These are not supplements you need to have a few years in the gym along with proper dieting and carb cycling before you even think about any drugs. Anyone who tells you different is not looking out for your best interests and is also going to make you short change yourself as they have already most likely done to themselves. Drugs do not make or build the physique , a few years doing the right things in the kitchen and the gym build the physique , than when the time comes and YOU have put in the research on proper cycling and compounds than you polish off your physique with the last 5%.
a solid plan for who?
That's funny because nolvadex isn't an Ai and doesn't bring down estrogen, its a serm it binds to receptors. If you like I can pull up numerous medical studies and drug studies to back my statements up. It in no way lowers estrogen what so ever.
I also have news for you. There isn't a woman on that stage running just 10 mg of var and clen. So don't fill these girls heads with shit man.
Also there is no fat burning compound. Var WILL NOT burn fat. A good diet and high intensity training along with vigorous hit cardio burns fat , speeding up your metabolism burns fat. No compound burns fat. Its guys like you that put it in these newb womens minds that if they take var they'll get lean or if they'll take clen they'll get lean.
Not here to argue but to give factual truth. I have a client who won the Arnold Classic this year and this was her exact cycle.
Weeks 12-8
Anavar 10mg
Clen 20mcg
Weeks 8-5
Anavar - 20mg
Weeks 5-Show Date
Anavar 20mg/day
Clen 20mcg 2x per day
Nolvadex 10mg/day
Last Week - Aldactone
She won, qualified for Olympia and is a top contender. Nolvadex is a selective estrogen receptor modulator (SERM) which is essentially the only one available that addresses female estrogen production directly. The other items available to us are all aromatase inhibitors (i.e. inhibits the conversion of testosterone to estrogen) that will address primarily estrogen resulting from any exogeneous test you might be injecting or, on a very small level, the conversion of testosterone from the adrenals.
Now, From a non-scientific real world standpoint Nolvadex does offer a harder and dryer look to the female body.. This has been used on stage since the early 90's when my wife competed at USA's and Nationals. Any pro figure or physique competitor or their coach can confim this fact.
As far as Anavar burning fat: you could say that any anabolic that builds lean tissue will burn fat because as an increase in lean muscle is acquired there is subsequent increase in BMR due to more active caloric burning tissue in the body.
So yes in essence any anabolic including Anavar can burn fat when understood from this viewpoint. Anavar also helps act as a re-partitioning agent which allows for calories to be better utilized for muscle growth and energy expenditure vs fat storage. In this sense Anavar or any other anabolic for that matter can be considered an aid to fat loss.
However, everyone is entitled to their opinions.. I can only give you my personal experience/viewpoints and without bringing top names from the industry into the thread it's impossible to substantiate anything.
Dr.
What one person does for a drug stack and works comes down to their genetic make up and their dedication. Its more then a proven fact that because one person can achieve soo much with little amounts of drugs another person cannot do the same. Genetics , so because your wife can do it etc etc means fuck all to everyone else as they will not be able to. Fact being most NPC amateurs use twice that amount. I don't need to name drop either as I am also not a nobody, my wife almost became pro with zero drugs in bikini. I have multiple friends who are pro also. I also do this for a living along with finish construction.
http://www.steroid.com/Nolvadex.php NOLVADEX a (serm) does not and will not lower your free range estrogen period, 1000s of medical studies prove it. There are current studies that go against everything that people thought was ok 20 to 30 years ago. 20 to 30 years ago people thought it was ok to run orals for half the year straight without an issue, we now know that is incorrect, people also thought it was ok to run deca without test base or any cycle without test base , we now know that's incorrect, people also didn't know proper pct or the fact they could get shut down permanently from it , we now know that's incorrect....... the list is long. It is medically proven nolvadex will not lower free range estradiol numbers it is not an AI , it blocks estrogen from binding to tissue , that is it. It was originally created it terms to battle breast cancer which it failed at and also used as a morning after pill. It does not matter if its in a womans body or a mans it will not lower estrogen, it will keep it from binding to tissue but the estradiol number keeps rising. Many top women will use nolva the first 16 weeks and crash their estro at the end with an AI depending on their class. Bikini and figure you will get judged down if to hard and too lean as my wife did. So they don't have to come as hard , so crashing estrogen really isn't imperative. So yes nolva will keep it from binding to tissue but, the number will keep rising, and the imbalance of hormones will cause moodiness , water retention etc etc. None of this is bro science its medical fact. I have links to 100s of medical studies on it as that myth of nolva being basically an AI has been around for a long time, and the myth that it will cut water has to. Estrogen is estrogen doesn't matter what body its in , it will have the same effects.
Now on to anavar. Anavar just like winny , dbol , halo , anadrol , super drol , any compound it will not give a desired result without diet. The diet does the work not the compound. certain compounds will aid fat loss or muscle gain etc etc but the diet does 99% of the work , period. While dieting speeding up your metabolism , while training is intense with low rest periods a proper diet and the correct amount of cardio then you lose weight. Stay anabolic helps not lose muscle , it doesn't make you lose fat man. Im sorry but this is why we have women come here saying I want to use a 10 mg split of anavar to help me lose fat. Which is incorrect.
http://www.steroidabuse.com/Profiles/nolvadex.html
This has already been established here on this forum so please don't not confuse people.
SERM = (Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator) stops estrogen from binding to tissue. http://www.steroid.com/Nolvadex.php
AI=(aromatase inhibitor ) Lowers the over all estrogen number. http://www.steroid.com/Arimidex.php
RustyhookerI really don't like being in the women's section. Some things just seem as being best coming from the source. Lol
From what I'm reading, both ya'll are saying similar things worded in very different ways.
Anavar.....YES building muscles raises the rate at which fat can burn. Point blank that's 100% correct by both ya'll. It's also completely correct that a strong anabolic helps maintain and add the muscles needed to burn that fat. Anavar is a strong anabolic for muscle repair, building and recovery, fact. But we also know that without hard training and perfecting the diet, the drug alone will be useless. I won't waste time posting the medical proofs of double blind placebo and testosterone on sedentary men....it would give folks a go ahead that's misleading
Without one (hard core exercise) you cannot have the other (fat burn). Point blank steroids have been utilized nearly a century for a hard physical appeal. Competitors, jocks or beach folks train in excess and steroids will w irk only if properly done. THERES IS NO MAGIC, IT IS ALL SWEAT VALUE.
Nolvadex, both ya'll state again similar responced. Re read your comments. Both ya'll state a hardening effect for stage. It's clearly stated! Nolvadex is a SERM, yes we know all this. If estro cannot bind it is therefore not used. If the estro has no where to go, the estrogen is not simply in your body increasing at exponential rates. Estrogen has a HALF LIFE TOO. Estrogen as with any compound will break down and be expelled. If hormones had no half life and lived forever then 1 single dose of testosterone would be our cycle.....Forever. But it's not and we're required to repeat those doses. With estro unable to attach and perform it's natural job, Nolvadex is and will be used for stage.
Anavar does not convert. So if water control is an issue, the layman can start with 500 mg vitamin c in the morning and 500mg vitamin c late afternoon. It works great and it's not a drug that can upset your hormonal levels
clenbuterol.....that one imo is tricky. Finding real clen is not easy and when you do, you'd better know it's uses. It's measured in Micro grams because yes, it's that strong. Too much will scare the shit outta you. Traditionally, you took a small dose and watched your temperature. Not look for shaking, vomiting, dizziness as an action. Those are the warning of impending doom! 1 to 2 degrees gave a 10% adjustment to caloric intake. If your food intake sucks, you will not lose fat. If you're not exercising, you will not lose fat. You WILL be harming your heart valves.
I've prepped many people men and women including my wife. I agree with everything your saying. Back in the early bodybuilding it was thought to take nolvadex as an AI which did not work because even tho estro has a half life and breaks down the yoyoing from rising and falling estro is detrimental to contest prep hence why male bodybuilders , female bodybuilders, men's physique and women's physique all crash estro with an aromatise inhibitor not a seem because it doesn't work like that. A serm blocks estro from binding it won't lower it, the body will try to lower it but it will yoyo up and down due to half life. Which in turn caries issues from yoyoing hormones anxiety, anxiousness, mood swings, water retention, acne etc etc keeping it stable with an ai not letting it constantly rise and fall along with pulling bloods is how its done now since we're out of the stone age. Viking and Suzy both backed me up and agreed when I brought this up back in the day.
An if people want to split hairs on the gear about well carry more muscle you'll burn fat lmfao of course that's common sense. You eat and train to burn fat not take drugs. This is why every other day we have people coming in here women who say I want to use anavar to lose some fat lmfao.
It really is all just common sense. But some people try to hold on to faulty knowledge because they think its the correct way. I'll tell anyone thinking wrong. Your next test cycle with ananvar use nolva instead of aromasin or arimidex and brace yourself, because your going to be on one hormonal rollercoaster and all the good things stemming from that come on fast water retention around the lower back, anxiety etc etc
RustyhookerNolvadex isn't an ai. It blocks the action but won't reduce estro. Anavar has no conversion so I see no need for any estro condo to happen.
As far as crashing estro versus the bikini models comp, that's two very different routes. Come off a soccor field with abs and you'll win bikinis men's without dropping off pizza. But if estro cannot exert it's force, it's unuseable.
Ultimately, steroids will be used because they're proven to add lean mass or retain mass depending on diet. Added muscles will burn more fat. That's reality.
For sure bro. 90% of the bikini models are running clen, T3, etc etc. figure are running similar and some also use test, women's physique the only thing they don't really use is tren and DECA I've seen every thing else used, women's bodybuilding everything goes. I've been seeing this shit more and more and watching women get on stage bloated as all hell and I just shake my head. Women's figure and bikini don't have to get as lean but the tides are changing at the high level shows, girls with paper thin skin. Want to be lean for the stage crash the fucking estro correctly . if your in bikini or figure and have only used anavar and clen and that garbage I guess you could use nolva. I'll have to do a big write up about this. Just been busy.
RustyhookerStage prep is way above what this forum started as but yes, the women are running bigger stacks than I have and completely rocked.
Cousin just did bikini and came in cut and lean. Lost because judges wanted classic 80 ' bodybuilding style. Another state the muscular cut ladies don't make it. There's no clear cut guidelines.
Wall of text did not hurt me, good read and its nice to see some people actually knowing wtf they are talking about. theres a reason why certain serms and sarms were dropped for the newer ones, why some people still think they are viable is so beyond me and so 1980's way of thinking.
Hey don't knock the 80s
Not knocking the 80's, I was a teen through those years and they were a blast
I was kidding with you
I know, you know how to push my buttons ;)
I am a grrl that is my mission in life ;-)
Have you and my wife been talking!?!
no comment ;-)
Hey all, I am VERY new to all this and have so many questions Kodak can you pm me?
I accepted your friend request
My figure itself is fine as far as my actually shape but my goal is to build more muscle my diet is clean but I am going to be extremely restrictive. And when I said cutting carbs I meant carb cycling sense I have plateued my body fat was going down consistently but has recently halted main question is should I go on extreme restrictive competion style diet with fat burners for 6 weeks first or should I just go ahead ?
you have to eat to build muscle ... going on a calorie deficit to gain muscle is a waste of time effort and money. food is the second most anabolic substance next to insulin and if you want to gain muscle you MUST eat to gain muscle and then you must eat to maintain it. There is no other way around it.
if you stop making gains then you need to change something... either your training or your diet or both .. the body strives to reach a balance and when it does so then the gains will stop
First time
Using I am 25 5'3 140 about 27 bf I started off three years ago 235 after baby have gotten to where I am
Now by eating healthy and exercise with trainer
I train weights 5 times a week with cardio about 3 times a week. I plan to clean up my diet cut most carbs and eliminate my weekly cheat meal. My biggest fear is to bulk up way faster then losing body fat. Scale number is not a major concern but I carry weight heavily in my thighs. Is this not the time to start anavar should I lean out more first ? Or as long as I stay strict I should be okay? And also is it possible to cut the pills that much I believe mine are 50 ? Will they not just turn to dust by trying to cut more then 4ths?