When "Bro Science" disagrees with real Science
Throughout my life I have had plenty of occurances that just "shouldnt work". Things that in all practicality should not do what they are doing but sometimes they just do.
I am currently trying to adjust for a lackluster libido.
Im cruising on 250 mg of test and 150 mg of Deca. Id like to lower the test but I dont want to change too much all at once, and I didnt think less test would help libido. Im taking aromasin eod @ 12.5 mg and my Estro was 22.5 on a blood test.
Where I am going with this is Clomid. Now on three seperate occasions I have taken 100 mg of clomid and found my self with morning wood and a feeling of returning libido.
I thought the real science would say Clomid wont do that while on test, but my body is telling me otherwise (which is why I tried it three seperate times). So is there a point where "Bro Science" plays a role ? Am I just confused about the role of Clomid, or is this just a case of an exception to a rule based on individual chemistry ?
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You really brought out the big guns with this thread bro. Good topic.
AnonThank you everyone ! A lot of great info and advivce here as always. Time to start trying out some of the tuning adjustments and hope in a week or so to be back in full action mode.
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkzewiClomiphene works by blocking estrogen at the pituitary. The pituitary sees less estrogen, and makes more LH. More LH means that the Leydig cells in the testis make more testosterone.
Its going to work--to what it does. You taking deca which helps test turn into estro so at so you have floating estro hitting the pituitary--by taking clomid you are blocking estro from hitting the pituitary--send more LH and to the testis which turns on natural test in the body.. But this doesn't happen however you have high LH in your testis which leads to morning wood..
this would work for anyone.
However, if you dropped the deca my guess is you would not need nova because test would not be breaking down to estro as fast.
AnonZewi, Im still incorporating the Deca because it has been a great relief to my joints. Do you think I can find a balance here and keep the deca ?
zewii would lower the deca by 25mg and see how your joints feel if still good lower it again by 25mg.. Find that dose that helps with your joints. IMO i think you will get to 100mg to maybe even 75mg a week.
1-200 a week is standard prescribed dose I see nothing wrong with dropping slowly to between there.
tread-mIf running a maintanance roll of deca I would add caber every 3 days at .25for 3 doses about once a month and also add a periodic roll of proviron as well as H suggested and the occassional pop of hcg not a bad idea as Juice suggested. I really think the caber roll as described keeps things in order though. May have to tweak to the individual of course.
First I might run through the normal series of questions about urination and wood quality in combination if urination is weak. Could be signs you have some prostate swelling which needs to be tended to. Again, saw pallmetto or super beta prostate etc to help in that area along with pl?enty of water, low salt intake and clean diet. Clean diet seems silly but it does so much to improve so many things. I do like the estro number but in that roll I can't help but wonder if you need to drop back to 6.25 for a bit on the aromasin and retest later. We are all quite unique and you may be someone who responds better with say a 30 on estro and the low 20's just not for you.. very important to raodmap your bloods and record your current symptoms etc as laid out in my write yesterday "roadmap the bloods". You will be surpised when you document all your symptoms and even lack of and staple them to your bloodwork how much power can be obtained when having issues and going back through those writes and bloods to analyze your own issues.
AnonThanks Tread, no trouble with urination so Im hoping no prostate issues. Im going to try the things that have been recommended . I notice again how num,bers and advice are general and get us in the ball park, but clearly fine tuning for each of us is important.
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.Permalinktread-mVery nice point, and you have to get to the ballpark given thats where the fine tuning begins.
AnonHey Tread, Im not meaning to have an awkward moment here, and you already do so much in the way of giving me advice, but I sent you a FR and was hoping to be able to exchg a message. I understand if you are inandated with a back log though.
tread-mI'll hook it up brother. I have not been approving anyone until I catch PM's up which is normally hwo I do it..sorry for the delay. I'll get vyou through here.
When my estro is too low, as you said, even in what is considered normal range, I have all the low estro sides. I had to adjust a lottttt when switching from adex to aromasin. 12.5mg eod was absolutely killing my libido (not erections, desire to have sex) and also making my junk a lot less sensitive. And that was on a low dose of test, nothing else, no prolactin buildup, nada. Everyone is individual, but like I said letting your LH and FSH levels be shit year round is not great either.
tread-mNope, not good at all so to me it as we all discuss, you don't have one problem you have 10 little ones and when you work evgery angle everything sorta falls into place.
Your LH levels are probably in the shitter, which would be why the clomid would make an impact. From time to time on b&c it's not a bad idea to run some hcg just to get the LH levels back up a bit. Also makes test a lot more effective I find.
im all for doing whatever works for you....just an idea, have you ever tried provision
Boom! IMO proviron should be added whenever a 19nor is introduced. its a mild ai and frees up some free test, always gives me the lil push I need... LOVE the stuff!
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thanks for the clarification there, fucking autocorrect, glad you straightend that one out
Every time I write tren it comes out teen. You can imagine how THAT looks sometimes LOL
tread-mPerv?
lol....nothing like the teen train
AnonSo do I run this in conjunction with the aromasin ? I'll order some up today.
Yeah bro, its technically a steroid
AnonNo and I dont even know about provision, but will go look it up. If you had a link that would also be great. Thanks !
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkI THINK he may be talking about proviron?? <---(sp?) I'm not sure if I spelled it right.
I know he meant proviron. Breaking balls is fun times though.
AnonThanks, I was coming to that conclusion my self, but am glad you reafirmed that thought.
Proviron ? Ive heard of it but have not tried it. I'll look in to it .
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkI'm also interested in this provision. I thought I knew of every steroid and designer steroid out there. I am now baffled.
tread-mYou'll like it J, its proviron spooned and blottered on to a legal document. You tear off a corner and take it sublingual and boom!
lol blotter proviron, i here that shit will have you goin for days
I bet we can get someone to make proviron sheets lmao
haha, i dont think i should eat any more paper for the rest of my life
tread-mKeep an open mind! Lool
Hahahaha, you never know. Trying to avoid that fried personality like Timothy leary....I'm already close enough
tread-mThat little black kat bout to make a come back!!! Shame on you if you get that!
tread-mThat little black kat bout to make a come back!!! Shame on you if you get that!
Of course bro science comes into play on a lot of things. Just because some doctor or some medical book says a pill is supposed to do xyz doesn't mean it always will. I've tried paxil zoloft cymbalta, u wanna know what worked best for me? Aromasin and weed. Ha go figure. While my doctor said my serritonin was off really my fucking E2 needed more regulation and I was just being an uppity bitch. I needed to fucking unwind a bit. U need to trust ur body. Trust what it says and what it does. Some know it all asshole will always come along to tell u how to do every single fucking aspect of ur cycle and take away the very thing we want u guys to learn and that's first and foremost ur body and next it's how to think on ur own. Whatever works man fuck anybody else who thinks they know ur body more than u do
AnonOk thanks I will experiment with this more. I am trying not to just get freaked out and change something every day. Im trying to give things enough time to work.
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