+ 5 Testosterone, sleep, and sexual health
I'm posting this article up so all of us meatheads can learn about the importance of sleep. Sleep and food are the 2 most basic tools and also the 2 most important tools when running a proper cycle or even when off. Heres the basics of a sleep problem for alot of men. I know a guy who is 21 yrs old and has sleep apnea which has been depriving him of proper cycles of sleep during the night, the main sleep cycle called REM sleep, this cycle of sleep in when you produce your testosterone. Sleep apnea (stop breathing) deprives you of your REM sleep and robs you of your testosterone pruduction. REM sleep is different than the other stages of sleep in that the brain stem take over bodily function, breathing becomes irregular, your muscles are more relaxed or basically paralyzed in a sense. This causes the airway to obstruct more rapidly during REM sleep than any other stage of sleep. No a very big deal you say huh! I'll tell you what a big deal it is. I know a guy thats 21 yrs old never used ASS and has severe REM related sleep apnea meaning he only stops breathing when he enters REM sleep. His testosterone is in the 140 range and hes only 21 yrs old. So if you don't get REM sleep you don't get your testosterone hormone secretion. Heres a article that give some insight on the importance of sleep. http://blogs.webmd.com/sleep-disorders/2011/10/testosterone-sleep-and-se...
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Great info hump. Having this for a while looking into it doc wants me to do sleep test to check how I sleep
That's great. You may find that there really isn't any monsters under your bed, just you in the mirror haha. Glad your getting it done. Shoot me a pm on the result when you get them.
I agree looking at studies but in saying that i suffer from it so my girl friend says and off cycle my test level is normally around the 700 range. i know deep sleep matters and it helps us repair for sure or it could be sleep apnea just doesnt affect me like most.
Preventative measures. A lot of times it's a slow decline that takes years and creeps up on you and then everything falls to shit. Take care of it now and have it later in life is the way people need to start thinking, instead of waiting til a problem arises and then fix it, because by the time you realize your body is damaged you've develope high blood pressure, enlarged heart etc.. from struggling to breath every night with sleep apnea, oxygen level constantly dropping everytime you stop breathing puts the stress on the heart and one day boom!! It all comes crashing down on you.
yes i understand your point of view was just saying from mine no hard feelings
None taken brother. I'm just trying to educate you to not always believe want the medical profession considers normal. They treat what's abnormal or what til your sick. You have to take action and be preventative and make sure you don't have problems down the road. Same as we preach here with gear use, we learn and research extensively to prevent side affects and overall harm to our bodies, even if we know that gear is somewhat harmful to use, we take all precautions to prevent damage.
i understand totally your looking after peoples health and thats how it should be regardless of the extremes some people go to
RustyhookerAlso give rise to your peptide group and sleep peptide. Im also wondering if that peptide helps on tren cycles.
Sleep is golden key!
Guinea pig for us Rusty. I doubt it would help with trensomnia but wouldn't rule it out. The reason I think they named DSIP delta sleep inducing peptide is because it prolongs your delta or slow wave sleep cycles that are responsible for various hormonal releases during this stage of sleep. One being GnRH gonadotropin releasing hormone which is why I and others have had positive effects of full recovery after pct in getting testosterone levels back to par. GnRH stimulates LH and in turn increases testosterone levels.
I know one guy I'm waiting on bloods, be did a pct and after drew bloods and was still shut down and I told him to do a 20 day course of DSIP and his nuts came backs and he feels recovered and he's waiting a few weeks for things to level out and get bloods, should be interesting.
Interesting that you mention this. My mate ran a test e/tren e/mast e cycle for 10 weeks. Did a 5 week standard Clomid and Nolva PCT but added DWIP into the mix too. His baseline test was around 20.42 and 6 weeks post PCT it's 28.34. His only problem is he's estro is a bit high for him off cycle (43) - not massive but causing him some problems but easily addressed. Oh and he had baseline high prolactin (16.9) - run caber on cycle of course - and now his prolactin is 1.42. Not a scientifically conclusive study by any means but makes the DWIP inclusion in a PCT protocol very compelling indeed from a real life experience perspective.
Thank you for bringing this up...
Thank you! +1
Very interesting. I've had a problem with sleep almost as long as I can remember. Mainly falling asleep but increasingly as I've aged I feel like I sleep very lightly. It's almost as if I'm half asleep and half awake. I'm sure I do sleep as I dream. A new symptom is that I snore but only when I enter and am in REM sleep. I never snored until last year. I've got an appointment with my GP (I'm not holding my breath as I'm in the UK and the NHS is pretty useless with most things including my sleep issues) next week to discuss. I guess I should go for a sleep stuudy so that's the aim. Will probably take me 6 months to a year to get them to do it. Even taking prescribed hypnotics doesn't do much part from put me to sleep and then only occasionally. I've tried melotonin and GABA which did nothing for me.
I am sure this is getting in the way of my growth, performance and health. My testosterone levels and others hormones are spot on when last tested following PCT so not impacting there at least - but of course I'm worried it could eventually. Would love to get to the bottom of this is personally.
Sleep study would be wise, follow through with that no matter how long it takes.
Absolutely. That's my plan. Thank again for the info!
So what's your opinion on gaba, melatonin and other otc sleep aids to improve sleep quality?
Melatonin is great it helps you get more delta slow wave sleep and makes you feel more rested. Kids get tons of delts sleep and the older you get the less delta sleep you get. It's a misconception that melatonin help you got to sleep it doesn't, it's ince you go to sleep is when it does it's magic.
GABA works at hitting the GABA receptors that calm down all the neurotransmitters, it works but it doesn't cross the blood brain barrier very well so you have to take picamilon basically black pepper with it to help carry it across the blood brain barrier.
Phenibut works well at hitting the GABA receptors but you can only take it eod due to building a tolerance quickly. I take phenibut occasionally when i feel moody or give it to my wife when she is having a bad PMS day and it works wonders.
Hahaha bad pms make her pass out. I need to try this out I've been using chocolate on my gf and it's not working too well.
Well I hit resurrect pm and melatonin to get to sleep especially when I was running tren and it worked really well. Good to know I'm not killing myself with it or anything. Sleep quality is really important to me and if I don't sleep well it throws off literally everything else in my day especially my training. Even on cycle if I don't get enough sleep all of my lifts will gradually start going down
No lol it doesn't knock her out. It just calms your nerves and you can relax. I relate the feeling to drinking a couple beers to take the edge off.
I was diagnosed with alpha wave intrusion disorder and I never could get a good nights sleep. I was also complaining of low t symptoms so they wanted to see if the lack of sleep from the alpha intrusion was causing it. Got on meds for that but my t levels never improved so eventually was put on trt. Sleep is definitely a big deal for proper t levels.
Yes this is exactly what I was referring to. If you don't get proper sleep cycles you don't produce optimal hormonal release. Alpha wave intrusion happens in all stages of sleep but is more pronounced during the slow wave sleep and interrupts the delta sleep cycle. Alpha wave intrusion is common in people with fibromyalgia, but what actually causes the alpha wave intrusion is chronic pain and imflamation. Did you have a sleep study done or was the Dr. just guessing?
Just guessing based on my symptoms and other questions he was asking about.
You probably should have had a sleep study done, he may have been correct but it could have been several other things that needed to be treated differently, plus the sleep study will show if you had alpha intrusion in the EEG during the study to help solidify his diagnosis or not. But I guess it's to late now. Are you sleeping better now that your testosterone levels are stable.
Only time I get a somewhat decent night's sleep is if I take the meds he gave me.
Meds always mask the problem Mak. Do you have imflamation, arthritis or a small chronic nagging pain, if you can eliminate the cause then it will relieve your central nervous system of the extra work and hopefully get back to normal sleep patterns. Central nervous system has a domino effect, one thing leads to the other. Correct the problem and all is well. Medicate the problem and you still have a problem. That's how our medical professions succeed now nowadays do what the pharma and insurance agencies tell them to do.
That's the absolute slimy truth man. It's an Rx world in the field of medicine. Why fix the underlying problem when you can throw some meds at it to mask it? Because then you don't have returning business ( patients). Medicine is a business just like every other business these days unfortunately.
It's freaking crazy jd physicians jumping ship left and right now because they believe in medicine and want to actually treat patients but are force to do what the insurance and pharmaceutical companies recommend or they want get paid. Now all your left with is puppet docs that do as they say just to have a practice and 50% or more of the docs that are still practicing shouldn't even have a license to practice they are clueless and only stay in the game because the hospital administration and pharma are making money off them, that's what Obama care has come down to, I see it first hand. Learn to take your health into your own hands or search far an wide for a doc that knows his shit, which is a diamond in the rough.
None of those problems. I'll have to dig into it further with my doc during my next checkup. People who can sleep good don't realize how fortunate they are.
True.
Good info here and needs a bump.
Main reason I'm posting this is for PCT. On cycle your test is high and unatural, where as during PCT testosterone in low and natural. If you put on 10, 15,20,40 lbs during a cycle you have increased chances of having sleep apnea, then that decreases your chances of recovery even with nolvodex and clomid if your not sleeping properly your not producing testosterone to recover. You'll get the same symptoms with low test as you will for sleep apnea, they go hand in hand. Low libido, fatigue, weight gain, depression. If you have low testosterone or having trouble during pCT, evaluate yourself to see if you have a sleep problem or sleep apnea, then if theres no problem then TRT is the WTG, but in alot of cases if you have sleep apnea or other sleep problems treat and fix those problems and your natural testosterone will recover to acceptible levels.
Sleeping also releases growth hormones, which is imperative more muscle growth. Professionals that do nothing but train twice a day usually sleep during the day to help after they finish their first training cycle. Back in the day my gym had a pro bodybuilder that trained there. He even had his personal room to sleep between training sessions. Diet training and sleep are three major factors in growing.
I used to go directly to sleep for an hour right after working out (plenty of protien and carbs first). It deffinetly seemed to help with recovery.
yeah when you take a nap your getting alot of delta sleep and producing and releasing GH. After your first 2 hours of sleep adults don't get much delta sleep, thats why alot of guys on GH will take a shot in the middle of the night after the natual GH has be used.
Bingo. Delta sleep is when growth hormone production takes place.First hour we fall asleep is when you have the most delta sleep during your nights rest, melatonan 3 mg helps adults get more delta sleep, something that kids and adolesence produce plenty of.But us ole farts don't, we need to suppliment. Sleep is a major factor in the game of building muscle.
I started using that. Does work. Also 5-htp helps with the production of serotonin.