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This is directed more towards the newer people that are just starting up their first cycle or 2 and relying on reviews to help them decide what to buy and who to buy from. This is also directed at all those who review, and rate the quality of gear based on how much weight they put on, how quickly, etc...
I've been doing this a long time and it still bothers me that people are reviewing and rating the gear they got from a source based on how much weight they put on.
I'm not saying that the people who are rating the gear based on this aren't experienced. I'm not saying that their review isn't accurate. Some of them may be spot on with the quality of gear based on the weight they put on.
What is deceiving though, especially for newer and less experienced people that read these reviews is that they see that someone used XYZ's test and deca and put on 40 lbs.
For the more experienced users, we know that this amount of weight you put on has almost nothing to do with the label on the bottle of the gear you used, what hormones you used, how much you used, and for how long.
Younger viewers are reading this and most of them are thinking - hell yeah I can just take x amount of test, and x amount of dbol and I'll pack on 40 lbs just like all these other guys are doing.
I just want to be clear to everyone that is relying on reviews for guidance, and also remind the people (that are experienced enough to know better) that are writing these reviews that the gear you used, what source you used, and how much of it you used has nothing to do with how much weight you put on. If you're going to rate a source and the gear you used from a certain source based on how much weight you put on, you should also be stating what your goals were and what your diet looked like. Saying you packed on 20, 30, 40, or 50 lbs during a cycle and attributing that to the gear is NOT an indicator of how good the gear was, or how accurately dosed it was.
The amount of weight you put on DOES have everything to do with your diet, your goals, and how much work you put in at the gym according to your goals and diet.
When using AAS, your diet will always be #1 when determining how much weight you put on. Sure we all know there are "bulkers" and there are "cutters" but your diet is also going to determine how much weight you put on with either of those, regardless if you're using a bulking steroid or a cutting steroid. Your diet will determine how much lean muscle you're putting on, how much fat you're putting on, and how much water you're putting on. Personally, I've used anadrol during a cutting cycle before. Anadrol is perfect for holding muscle while dieting down and cutting. And I didn't pack on 20 lbs when I took it. It doesn't mean it wasn't legit, or that it wasn't good. It just means the anadrol was a vehicle i used to accomplish my goal. The diet and the type of training I used during that time were the tools that made it possible to put that goal into something tangible.
Again, most of know that some hormones are more prone to adding water weight, while some are known for drying you out. But your diet still has a heavy impact on just how much water you will put on, or how dry you will be regardless of what you're taking.
When reviewing a source, and rating their gear, do not say things like "this guys gear is great, so far I've put on 10lbs in 3 weeks, it's definitely legit". Your weight you put on has nothing to do with the quality of the gear you just bought. The people here with more experience know that this alone has very little to do with how good your gear is. There are other indicators of how good the quality of a sources gear is. Use those instead of using weight, unless you're planning on elaborating on your diet and your training while using the gear.
"I packed on 40 lbs in 16 weeks using this guys gear, this is the best gear ever!" Great, you could have eaten pizza, pasta and weight gainer 24-7 for 16 weeks for all I know. Now how about giving me a real indicator of how you know this guys gear is good?
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I have said this before.. i will say it again!
Words mean ziltch!......... Pictures prove everything.
I also like to keep an eye on the labs and mass specs that are posted.
That dont mean nothing to me either bro.......... how do we know its real??????
I was referring to the ones that people have sent in to angus to have tested but you are absolutely correct! Anything can be faked. I usually do a lot of digging and research on a source before I use them. Here lately theres been so much controversy in the labs pic section that im afraid to order from anywhere.
D.T.A.
Dont Trust Anybody............ i live by that statement bro, and every single day my belief in it is empowered with the shady shit i see and hear going around here.
Welcome to the Jungle!
LOL! being a MOD on a steroid site will bring this out of you whether you were like that to begin with or not. we tell new MODs, not when they are in the training facility, but once they make it to the MOD forum, that this job will change you!
O n here that stands true brother...................... but yeah i have always been that way!.. you cannot become a self made millionaire trusting jack shit and his dog lol
Being in property Development for most of my life (now retired) i have dealt with some very colourful characters believe me! thieving staff, rip off merchants, con men.... the list goes on and on lol........ being a bodybuilding coach now is like a breath of fresh air.... they pay! i teach!... job done.
Damn bro, I bet that is a breath of fresh air. Property development aside though, and not even on this site. Day to day interactions with every day people, just going about my own business and living life, con men, scammers, thieves are everywhere. They aren't so easy to spot like they are in movies and on tv. In real life they are every day people just like you and I.
Most of them - right at the top of the list, politicians, lawmakers, law enforcement officials. Do a search through the phone book or on google. You can find WAY more lawyers these days than you will find doctors. There's a reason for that. Our society (a largely corrupt society) is a direct result of the corruption at the top that gives structure to this society that are forced to accept.
The people that walk around with their eyes open are smart enough to realize this. This is a dog eat dog eat world. The second you let your guard down to anyone you will become a victim.
Most people (I hope) that have been using for a number of years know what good gear feels like, how u react, what its like in the gym, blah blah, pretty early on in a cycle. I don't need scientific backup to know something is crap. I'm sure you don't either. You just know. Maybe on something like primo it might take a bit of time before you know it is worthless but on the other hand a bad bottle of drol? C'mon 1-2 days. Some drug dealer substitutes winny for var? Like it's hard to tell the difference??? It's like an ace mechanic gets into a car and drives it around a bit. Comes back and tells u 15 things that are wrong with the car. I wouldn't know that but it's his life's experience that informs him. Gear can be like that. But, it's kind of hard to do a review as a "connoisseur of fine gear." Maybe it's possible . . . . D.T.A. The lab I love where I shop has put out some crap in the last year. I would never have thought it possible from them, but it happened.
That's some straight up WISDOM right there - the ability to think and act using knowledge, experience, understanding, common sense, and insight.
EXACTLY! Im sure you see a lot more shady shit behind the scenes than the rest of us.
Save up and go Pharma
Thats what I plan to do for now on. I had a bad experience with my test p, mast p, and provion run that made me step back and rethink my steroid use.
That's what I'm working towards, the costs of oils really isn't that much more. A/I's and PCT is more, but they are the most important part. I think I could run Pharma Test and Proviron for all cycles for the rest of my life and be perfectly happy. Let diet dictate goals.
Ya bro I feel the same way. It's really isn't that njch more expensive for pharm grade oils. And honestly pharm grade pct is cheap! Pharma grade aromasin is expensive as hell tho. There's a few very high end "pharm grade" ugls that I think are g2g also and the prices are right. I'm done with these small domestics. To inconsistent.
I agree, that's why I think if you come across one that you like then stock up. They come and go as the wind blows.
And thats exactly what ive done over the last few months. Everything i have right now is the best of the best. But despite the fact I have really good gear from some great domestic ugls if everything is on point with an order i have on the way from one of the high end huge international ugls or "pharm grade" in there corrupt country i don't think ill be going anywhere else. For a few bucks more i get the piece of mind knowing purity and dosing is consistent and its made in a factory with million dollar machines with actual quality controls so the risk of steritly issues and bacteria is significantly lower. Plus Id like to have a one stop shop. With the domestics i know which one has the best of each compound and just because one is good doesnt mean the rest of the shit is good. So i have to shop around the put a cycle together and i hate that.
Yep, shopping the black market is definitely a bitch. Domestic is appealing because of delivery and not dealing with customs, but can't go wrong with who you are referring to.
Couldn't agree more! These UGLs are not here to be your friend, even though they may come across that way. They are here to make money. So when you find one you like, definitely stock up. Get in on the ground floor. They always start off good, gradually deteriorate over time, and will all eventually disappear at some point. Stock up, and immediately start researching some other ones because it's only a matter of time before the one you liked is gone.
I agree. Ground floor is best. It seems that a rise in ranks and popularity almost always leads to an end for whatever reason. Whether it's building a big customer base and then taking money and running, supply and demand who knows.
Thats one of the things I was thinking about. I never plan on stepping on stage and I dont see any reason I cant reach my goals with a low dose of test and calories.
Mass specs can be whatever the source decides to put on paper if I'm not mistaken. Is that correct?
Absolutely correct brother............. finally i speak with a man that trusts his own instincts and train of thought
Amen brother!
Just to back-up your comments in the post bro...........
At the moment i am running a ship load of gear!.. 5 different Aas compounds in mega dosages (far beyond anything printed on this board) .... Peptide array 4x daily instead of HGH because the HGH going around lately is pure shit!.
I have reduced my calorie intake substantially to tune into my goal.......... guess how much weight i have gained?........ thats right NOTHING!!........... proving once more to the brainless hoards that it is NOT the amount of oil we pin which makes the gains........ ITS PURELY CALORIE INTAKE.
I have a question for you brother. This is completely off topic from this post so maybe this would be better as a PM or a new forum discussion. I'm curious though about the hype over the toxicity over the orals and how true it really is. I understand that the orals have the carbon attached. The liver focuses on breaking down the carbon, therefore leaving the hormone to go basically undetected and able to run through your system in it's entirety. But, if it's the same thing with all the orals (the carbon attached) what is it about one oral that makes it more toxic than the other with the same carbon attached? I'll admit maybe I haven't researched this enough, but I just don't understand the logic behind it.
Thy have more then just a carbon attached. At the 17th carbon in the alpha postition they add 1 carbon atom and 3 hydrogen atoms or in scientific terms its a type of akyl group called a methyl group(CH3). It's a type of alkylation. If you were to say drink testostrone the liver would destroy it during first pass metabolism. With the addition of the methyl group it's now able to with stand the "cleasnsing" or the excretory functions of the liver. This is what mAkes it toxic, the methyl group in that exact position, no others. If you look at masteron it has a methyl or a methyl group at the 2nd carbon, bjt mast is no more harmful to the liver then test deca eq etc. so it's not that the methyl group is toxic, it's when it's at that position that it becomes toxic.
And when you add a methyl group to a steroid it dramatically changes the effects of the steroid. For example, add a methyl group to eq or boldenone and it becomes do dbol, which as I'm sure you know is basically the exact opposite as eq. Add a methyl group to masteron ( at the 17th) and it becomes superdrol.
So it's bottom like is not the addition of the carbon and 3 hydrogen, it's in the specific position. I don't knkw exactly what it is about that position, but I have a pretty good theory. If you have ever noticed the esters on the injectables also attach at the 17th position. And I'm sure your familiar with what and water does, makes it so you body breaks it down much slower extending the half life. So the body for some reason must want to start breaking down the steroid at the position, and it can't when that methyl group is there. I might have to ask my dad about this he has a phd in chemical engineeing.
Thanks for the insight bro, that's great info. I knew about the orals being methylated but I didn't know that specific positioning was even an issue. Good to know! I did know that a handful of hormones were almost identical. Change one particular piece of the puzzle and you have a completely different hormone.
It just occurred to me today that I've always taken bro science word for it that orals were toxic and certain ones were more so than others, and I never really bothered to question it. I was never good in chemistry lol!
I've always put a lot of faith in my liver, too! Haha
Some are definitely more toxic then others. Not really sure why that is tho they both have the same methyl group. Halo and oral tren are definitely more toxic then anavar. I'll have to start looking into why this is.
That's the question that always had me wondering. The logic about why one would be worse than the other didn't make sense to me.
Right?? it doenst make much sense. Its not like it has anything to do with dosing. 1mg or oral tren ed for four weeks carrys a very real risk of serious liver and kidney problems and 8 weeks of var at 50 to 100 times that dosage is more mild. Doesnt make any sense at all.
The uncertain activity of the compound after it has been Methylated.. (different hormones are carbon linked slightly differently).. and the compound half-life adds to the toxicity as it passes through the liver twice...... also these days with UGLs producing orals we are in most cases uncertain of the toxicity of the fillers and binding agents used in the production process.
Thanks, that actually makes sense to me. I appreciate the words of wisdom bro!
Amen again bro! That's exactly what I'm talking about! And that's why I mentioned anadrol in my post.
Perfect example - I ran pharma anadrol for about 3-4 months a couple years ago. I was talking with a guy who asked me what I was running. When I told him anadrol he asked what my starting weight was and what it was at the time he asked me. I was maybe a month or so in on the drol at that point. When I told him I had only put on about a pound he called bull shit on the anadrol and said it must be fake. Said if it was real I would have blown the fuck up by now.
I had to explain to him that I was on a calorie and carb deficit. Both were severely lower than what I'm used to. Not only that but I was doing cardio almost every time I did my usual weight training which I had not been doing prior to starting the drol.
I could have wrote a review on the anadrol and said it was great. And when I said I put on a pound, I bet everyone would have called bull shit on it.
Even with pictures we are taking people's word for it that the pics are a result of what they're using. But you are right, the pics will lend some credence to their review.
For me personally I tend to listen to the reviews that describe all the tell tale signs that I personally get from certain hormones.
Npp for example. I can tell you if npp is good or if it's shit within a week or two without having put on or dropping a single pound. Npp gives me almost immediate relief in my shoulder joints. They go from popping and crunching to not popping and crunching at all. Npp for me has far greater impact on my insomnia and aggression than extremely high amounts of tren will have on me. The aggression usually subsides within the first 3-4 weeks but the insomnia is constant. Npp also is the one hormone that will give me progesterone related gyno flare ups. Tren will and anadrol will to a certain extent but it's always worse with npp.
Again though, I could tell you all this in a review and everyone is going to have to take my word on it without knowing who I am. At this point in my life, and what I've done with my body, and how many things I've used over time, you could look at a picture of me and I'll tell everyone the same thing. I've tried every AAS there is under the sun. All of them have helped me to achieve different goals at different times. But what you're looking at is not from npp, it's not from test, anadrol, primo, tren, etc. Its from setting goals and dieting & training properly according to how I planned to achieve those goals. I would not have achieved these goals without the help of the gear, but I could have taken every hormone there is all at the same time and if my diet and training weren't set accordingly, the gear would have pointless.
But back to the main point. Telling me in a review that the test you used was great because you put on X amount of lbs is telling me absolutely nothing about the quality of the gear inside your bottle.
Well said. Where you been during your time here? You seem knowledgeable, hope to see you around more.
Thanks bro, I appreciate that. I don't get on here as much as I should, or as much as I'd like to. Get too tied up in family stuff, work, kids, etc. Plus I'm paranoid as hell about everything that goes around on here. Just as it's been mentioned in this post by many, too much shady shit going on. And like Viking said - D.T.A. I try to limit my presence to a certain degree. Stay under the radar I guess. But I'll chime in and drop some knowledge when I feel it may genuinely help some people out. A lot of times though you see too many people bashing others for putting in their opinion. I don't think it's helpful. Many people are on here to learn and get advice and tips and they get bashed when they ask a question or put in their opinion. Not enough constructive criticism here, and too much negativity and selfish feedback.
Bro I think it's time you post up your diet in the diet clinic for me and catalyst to tweak and we get you on a nice low dose test cycle. No need for all this other stuff lol. Jk bro I know you know exactly what your doing.
Comp prepping for sept/oct bro........... thats why i have the deficit in play at the moment, straight test/provi cannot bring what i want to achieve unfortunately lol.
I know bro you knkw I'm just messing with you. Would love to hear what this cycle consists of. Are you just maintaining what you already have or is this mega cycle adding some muscle to you while you drop fat?
Impossible to add any more size when in this mode........ i plan to drop around 20lbs, get like cut glass with veins like steel conduit, drum skin tightness showing striations like i have had my skin surgically removed on flexing..... if this all happens to plan i should walk on stage at 240.... that should have me very competitive against the company of ex MR everythings i will battle against.
Can't wait to see some pics of that. 6'1 240 on stage is fucking huge. Best of luck to you bro.
Throw that 20 lbs my way, lol. Best of luck, bring home the hardware!
Time will tell bro...... no injuries at the moment holding me back, excellent team in my corner to keep me on the boil and suze has taken the fridge out of the range rover so snacking is a past memory lol
Damn, no snacks. Does that still affect you mentally, or have you overcome that at this stage?
just a different mindset bro, takes a couple of weeks to get used to a new diet then its back to business for me.... i treat it like a job of work bro, this is the time when you pull on your inner strengths,,, get fkn blinkered and dominate.