Primo - Turinabol - Anavar Cycle
Hello all! I am curious if anyone has had experience with this cycle, or a similar cycle, or what people's experience with any of the three have been.
I've been weight training consistently for about the last 7 years, and been around AAS for about the last 2 years.
33 years old
6 ft
194 lbs
11% bf
Up until the next cycle I will be running in March (Primo, T-Bol, Var), I have only cycled test cyp and winny. I know that everyone reacts differently to different AAS. I'm looking at getting away from test for a couple of reasons. First, even at 200mg a week I get horrible acne on my shoulders only. Second, even at 200mg a week the test shuts me down enough to where PCT is a struggle. Third, unless I'm running a minimum of 750mg a week I don't get much from the test. Obviously the sides are worse at 750mg a week. I've also learned that I can be sensitive to the estrogen that comes with test. I started to develop gyno during one of my cycles even on a healthy amount of anastrozole. I had to switch to letro to remove the buildup that was starting to take place.
My body reacts better to Sust but I still get the all the usual Test sides. My body actually reacts better to winny then it does test. I've put on more muscle, made greater strength gains on winny than with test. Also, when I have run Winny I have kept about 95% of my muscle and strength gains when coming off cycle. The Winny also shuts me down almost instantly.
After trying new things and experimenting with different protocols, I've found that I have made the most progress when starting my cycle off with an oral, and finishing with an oral while using an oil as the base.
This is the cycle that I have scheduled for March:
Week 0-9 600mg wk primo
Week 1-9 270mg wk sust
Week 1-4 40 mg ed T-Bol
Week 7-13 50mg ed Var
I have primo slated for week 0 because of the enanthate ester. I wanted to give it at least a week to start having some affect
All three of these from what I know are supposed to be mildly suppressive, and have a higher anabolic ratio than androgenic. With that said, I am considering dropping the sust and just running the primo, tbol, var, and hoping that the sides are not as bad for me as they are with test. Since I am sensitive to estrogen, I am still going to run this with .5mg anastrozole eod. If I drop the sust, I would add HCG to help keep libido and natural T production up, and make PCT easier. That is also why I would run anastrozole with these, even though they are not supposed to convert.
That brings me to my next question. There are so many conflicting views on using HCG and how to incorporate it into your cycle or PCT, that it's hard to tell what makes sense and what doesn't. After talking with an endo about this, he advised that HCG be run throughout the cycle and not used for PCT. From what I know, I agree with him to an extent. I've learned that you can build a tolerance to HCG and your system can actually be damaged by running HCG for long periods of time.
I was planning on running the HCG for three weeks at the beginning of my cycle, then three weeks off and then three weeks on, and three weeks off again which basically takes me to the end of my cycle. I realize that with the primo ester I should probably doing closer to 16 weeks but I've also found that my body does better on shorter cycles.
So what are everyone's thoughts on running this cycle without test? Thoughts on the three of them together? Thoughts on the HCG and how it should be incorporated into the cycle?
Thanks!
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How did this work out for you?
I love the primo/var cycle I do it every summer. I also use sust with it but even though you retain less water than test e and cyp you still retain water and get other unwanted sides. I have tried this cycle using all different dosages of sust and when its time to start the var I drop the sust to 125mg. I have found that my size did not change much from running 250mg of sust but by dropping down to only 125mg/week I got a lot leaner and almost no side affects. Basically the test is there only to keep my own test level from dropping. Try hitting it twice a week at this level to take advantage of the prop ester and see how it goes for you.
Thank you for the feedback, that's good advice. Im going to get some sust in case i need it. Im going to run hcg throughout to keep some natty test flowing. I can deal with the sides from test, it just takes me forever during pct to bounce back, esp when running my cycle in the 500mg to 750mg wk range. Do i need to PM you to ask what lab u were using for your primo?
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I would also love to kno, thinking of trying the veyron primo.
Read a lot of mixed revues of their stuff. Primos raw material is expensive so it's counter fitted a lot.
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Thank you for the reply and for the good article. Ive been trying to find more food info on hcg protocol. This helps!
On my last cycle i was running hcg 3 times a week at 250iu. It worked great for the first 3-4 weeks of the cycle but then suddenly stopped any affect on me. Ive heard that hcg is best cycled itself within an AAS cycle. Are you familiar with this protocol? The fact that it stopped working for me could be a number of things. 1 i needed to increase my dosage or frequency. 2 after 3 -4 wks continuous use, it began to lose its impact on my system. Again, ive heard this can happen which is why it should be cycled. 3 the hcg lost its potency.
That brings me to my next question. Is hcg best with bacteriostatic water or nacl? Ive heard many conflicting statements regarding how long hcg keeps its potency in bac water. Ive heard 2weeks all the way to 2 months.
My first thought is to make sure you do realize that Sust is TEST. Depending on what brand it is a blend of 4 to 5 different esters of Testosterone, So substituting it for any other form of test is a lateral move. I know alot of people on here say never to run a cycle without test, I also personally know many people who run tren only cycles at my gym and swear they never have any labido issues. I'd keep some ED meds on hand either way if you do decide to drop the sust.
Right, I realize that. What I meant by that is that cyp doesn't do a whole lot for me with regards to strength gains, size, etc. Sust (because of the blend of esters I'm guessing) brings better results than the cyp.
I'm going to keep the sust on hand in case I feel the need for it. You're right, most people tell me the same about running test with every cycle. However, I've also talked to people that have run plenty of other orals and oils without test and had no issues. I was told before I first tried Winny that my libido would be shot. That wasn't the case at all, far from it actually. Thanks for your input, much appreciated. We'll see how it goes.
AnonI can tell you from a pure medical standpoint that these people are lying to you when they say that they had no issues running cycles with no tests and orals only .. without the test you are pretty much throwing the hpta axis completely out of whack.. not only shutting down natty test production but making it that much more difficult to bring it back. Eventually, you are going to have continuously increase dosages and compounds to even get similar effects. At some point it won't work anymore and then you are basically screwed. When you run so many compounds you are in essence desensitizing the system.. basic cycles are best and make the most sense as far as maintaining homeostasis in the axis.. Multiple compounds just add that much more confusion. If you don't like the sides from test then train natty is all I can really tell you. You might not have real problems right now but I'd bet my paycheck you keep doing this you will in ten years.
yes but you already said even the smallest amount shuts you down.. you might want to have sex but can you?
Thank you for the insight. I will probably take your advice and keep with the plan to run a low dose of sust with the primo. As for the winny question, both test and winny shut down my nat T production hard and I'm judging this by the shrinkage that occurs. However, chemically replacing my missing T with winny did keep my libido up, and yes I could perform. While I was on the winny, I could perform with no issue as much as 3 times a day. Overall, I've had better experience using winny by itself at the end of a cycle than I did with test alone, and with test and winny together.
Every cycle of test I have run I have noticed a slight decrease in satisfaction with it. That's why I was looking for a break from it. I had incredible strength gains, pumps, and muscle mass increase on winny alone. My first cycle of test was great. I peaked at 750mg wk and obviously noticed the most gains from that amount. The test I had on my last cycle may have been underdosed which is prolly why I am bitter about it. It was legit, that much I could tell but I didn't get much from it at all other than an initial 6 lb weight increase and a shrunken coin purse.
Anonwinny is just so bad for you on so many different levels.. It makes me cringe a bit to see people running it for any period of time. but really, keeping it simple is the very best thing you can do for yourself in the long run.
I agree with you about winny being bad for you. Its unfortunate because i love using it but oh well. I will likely never use it again. For the sake of keeping it simple i will prolly keep the sust, add the hcg, and drop the var and save it for the next cycle. Im going to modify this cycle and take it down a notch.
Anonwelp; there goes my hopes and dreams of running a Winny/Var/Dbol/Anadrol cycle for my summer physique.
Looks like ill stick with simple test based cycles! hahaha
Good advice!
Haha you must have a donor for a new liver already picked out
i running var/winny now...at high doses and is good BUT will i do it again ? NO becos i can feel its toll on my system. The only reason i do it is to finish off the winny...i will not touch winny ever again. joint aches r coming in despite me being on Animal Flex and 200mg/wk npp.
I agree. As much i love winny, i will probably not ever use it again. I too had joint aches on it but once i started taking fish oil i didnt have the aches anymore. I felt great on winny overall but there is just too much documentation available with regards to how bad it can be for you. Ive kept my winny cycles to no more than 4 weeks at 50mg every day. I prefer oils over orals for he sake of being kind to my liver.
My goals theae days are geared less towards how much i can do amd more towards how can i safely use AAS and keep the negative impact on my system to a minimum.
I'm in the same boat. Risk/reward.
Thanks guys for writing the sides you had.
Never tried winny and never plan to. I think it fairly inexpensive for good reason.
If only eroids was around before Ben Johnson ran that race!
Haha good old Ben Johnson...
I hear many people say that with all that is available, winny is basically an obsolete compound. I cant argue that considering my experiences so far have only been with winny and test. I can say that winny did give me incredible gains all around. Outside of the guys shrinking i didnt really notice any other bad sides from winny alone. Im sure that anavar is at least one example of a better alternative to winny. My biggest concern with winny was the potential for liver damage but thats a risk with most orals. Im not sure what gives winny the reputation of being worse than any of the other c17 orals.
As with any oral, if you keep the cycle short and take some form of liver protection you will likely not have to worry much. Im glad i tried it since i did get some incredible gains that i kept permanently. For me, its time to try something different though.
I didnt get much from it when i was splitting up my dosage throughout the day. Once i started taking all 50mg in the morning, pre workout, i started getting amazing results. I can see why people split up an oral like anavar with a much shorter half life. Vut winny has a long enough half life where blood levels shouldnt be a concern.
Anonno joose.. go for it.. really.. I wanna know how it turns out..