+ 1 Pulsing vs on-going oral use
So I have seen in the past that the only oral people routinely talk about pulsing is anadrol, but I am curious as to if people have tried it with other orals. Just want to hear your thoughts on different compounds and the comparison.
Also the only oral that is pulsed commonly, as mentioned before, anadrol, is only done because of it's poor binding affinity. User Makwa explained it "Really the only oral that needs pulsing is adrol. The reason is that it has such a piss poor binding affinity, in fact it is nearly non-existent. Loses effectiveness real quickly so the only smart alternative to using it is to pulse it otherwise you are just putting up with side effects and very minimal gains after a certain point. For me that point is about 2 wks. I'll gain 5lbs first week and maybe another 2-3 the following week and after that I just have to put up with high BP if I continue to use it. Now by pulsing it I can continually make gains on it and also give my liver and BP a rest between bouts of it. I'll gain say like 7-8 lbs on my 2wk burst and drop about 4-5 until my next bout and so on. Seems like I can net a about a 2+lb gain on each burst doing it that way which is pretty substantial..."
and a link to that thread is here https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/pulsing-orals
Once again would love to hear your thoughts on the matter
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This is an excellent post. I always love reading different approaches to maximize gains with limited sides. Thanks again
I do something slightly different now for the binder affinity effect. For example, doing Anadrol every other day and in between doing a drug that’s not toxic like Anavar instead of pulsing. I did it recently with Dbol & Anavar. Guess what, Doing it that way I didn’t raise my liver values and my estrogen was way easier to control. I don’t know anyone personally who’s ever done it like that, but saw a video. Just wanted to Experiment for myself & try it. I didn’t really talk about it because I didn’t wanna get trashed on here for it. Seems to work for me.
Here are some links:
https://youtu.be/aWn5aqJDKg8
https://youtu.be/Topt8jCTTZ4
https://youtu.be/f3jhhIMobjY
That’s interesting. How’d you like the results/what where the results like?
Hey D, I had the same results as doing it everyday, but less sides. I even took Sunday’s off(no orals). Gonna do it again on my next run in Fall. I liked the results that much! Watch those video’s. Guy details more on the method!
Cool I’ll check it out. Thanks man. Anything is worth looking into. Especially if it’ll be effective and cut down sides
I pulse harsher orals to reduce the constant strain on my liver. The gains might not be quite as good as running constantly for 3-4 weeks straight, but I feel it all washes out because I get better quality training in when I'm not feeling like asshole for weeks 3 and 4.
I am running oral tren with some NAC that I had on hand right now to help make up for lost strength during the 8 weeks that I was out of the gym.
I was originally going to do two weeks on two weeks off twice but I started feeling like asshole around day 10. Took a week off and ran Mon-Fri (training days) this week with Saturday and Sunday off. I am going to try to repeat this week and see how it sits with me. I'm not trying to get back to where I was strength wise in two weeks because that just leads to injury, but it is helping me get through the last 30% of my training sessions because my endurance went to shit.
***Edit: I am on TRT so it is easier for me to run a short blast with an oral + TRT test since I don't have to worry about HPTA restart. I wouldn't recommend this to anyone who is not on TRT already ***
Bud if you haven't tried Tudca yet get some - I swear its the best stuff for your liver by far. No more liver/stomach pains and your appetite stays way up! I swear it helps lower BP too as mine feels much better since been on it. You feel better within a day of taking it at 300mg ED no joke.
I’m not 100% on the dose but long term use of TUDCA can be really toxic
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3430272/
I think from what I’ve read it’s a good idea to run TUDCA when running orals and NAC when off.
Thanks brother I never heard or read that. Gonna check that out cuz I run tudca year round. Not much when I’m not running an oral but at least 250 a day when I’m not on an oral. Yikes
And yet here:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23592128/#:~:text=It%20is%20suggested%20....
I find it difficult to read these on my phone but I think that study was 6 months only, if you click on the cited studies in the adverse effects in the link I shared the studies were a lot longer 1year<
I’m not detracting TUDCA as the stuff is proven to work in loads of scientific studies, only sharing it’s been proven to be harmful for long term usage.
Ugh. I know this is when I hate studies. I’m not smart enough to tell what’s what when it’s that conflicting. I can’t take NAC though it makes me sick as shit. Like I feel like I’m dying sick. It’s awful.
Yep there are always going to be conflicting reports on anything. I know when I take NAC I get a bit of a sore throat and bad lethargy from it - I was always led to believe its best suited towards Paracetamol overdose specifically. It has some sort of property that directly disarms the paracetamol, not necessarily all liver damaging compounds. I think with the Tudca I'd just take a capsule E3D when not on orals just to keep things unblocked such as bile ducts etc, couldn't really afford to be going through tubs every other month.
Yea I think I’m gonna take less when I’m not on orals. Which isn’t Super often to begin with. I’ll prolly do the same as you. Hell, like you said it’ll save me a ton of money too. My bloodwork has always been spotless but I don’t wanna risk it
It's showed really good liver values has it? Supposedly its very good for cholesterol too ....
I’m not sure if it’s had a positive or negative effect on my choledterol. I only test that twice a year and it’s always about the same and in good shape. Haven’t noticed a difference there. My liver values are rarely elevated out of range tho. Never when orals aren’t involved. if they are they’re just barely high (like high 40s low 50s) and it’s Right after or at the tail end of an oral run. And all of my other blood markers in the panel are always normal. Sometimes elevated BUN but that’s usually the day after a tough session and I eat a ton of protein, so I never pay much attention to it.
Even when I’m on EQ, my RBC and hematocrit are always good. I dunno I must be doing something right lol.
I'm going to pick up some today and give it a go. I really appreciate the input! The older I get the more orals tend to slow me down. I could use the blood pressure support as well. I am prescribed Amlodopine but there is nothing wrong with some extra help.
Pulsing with anadrol was my idea back in 2012 and it grew on alot of people.
With anadrol its to do with what you stated but also side effects including liver.
Gains hit a wall with it basically after week 4 and upping the dose after that is just detrimental to your health vs gains.
Example- anadrol
Week 1- 50mgs ed
Week 2- 100mgs ed
Week 3- 100mgs ed
Week 4- off
Week 5- off
Week 6- 100mgs ed
Week 7- 100mgs ed
Week 8- 100mgs ed
Finish.
6 weeks of anadrol with 2 weeks off in the middle for recovery and health.
Can be any kind of timing.
2 on 2 off, 3 on 2 off, 3 on 1 off etc etc.
Can also pulse days the same way like 4 on 2 off etc etc..
Whereas with say dianabol you should start at a low dose and slowly and gradually up the dose untill peak finishing at that high dose.
Example - week 1-6 - dbol.
1- 10mgs ed.
2 - 20mgs ed.
3- 30mgs ed.
4- 40mgs ed.
5- 50mgs ed.
6- 60mgs ed.
Finish.
Great advice. Just one question.
Are you saying you brought the idea to eroids, or that you invented pulsing orals in general?
Eroids.
I like the pulse approach when trying to put on size. Drop carbs slightly while off to reset insulin sensitivity and hammer them while on to keep growing.
Personally I find myself using them more like 1-3 times a week depending on programming as a preworkout intensifier for a lagging area I’m trying to bring up. Pick a muscle you want to target and only take orals when you train that muscle, also add a little gh only on that training day and spike your carbs, aminos, intra drinks, etc to try to peak anabolism for 4-12 hours and concentrate your growth on areas you really need it. Anavar is great for this, anadrol of course, and dbol are all good options. I would assume superdrol would perform well but I haven’t used it.
I’ll run Superdrol and abombs for 2 weeks max at a relatively low dose. I feel great for the 2 weeks, sides are low and the gains in size/strength/aggression are insane.
I’ve ran them for longer and you do get better results but I’m comfortable at that duration and don’t have any sides.
I don’t run 2 in 2 off. More like 2 on 3 off 2 on 4 off 2 on 3 off etc. Go with the feel of the blast.
Hey bud - when you run Adrol what do you tend to run it at? I'm doing 2 tabs a day atm, main thing I'm getting is the squits now and again. Have you ever had a liver test whilst on or after it?
50 preworkout mate. Anything higher I get BP issues pretty quickly. I also no longer run it if I’m at the higher end of BF% as it bloats me and I loose 90% of the mass gains, looks odd and it’s very obvious you’re on steroids to work colleagues/neighbours/etc and I prefer to keep a low profile.
I used to run it stupidly high 150+ a day and the results were phenomenal but that was years ago when my health wasn’t my main concern.
I’ve ordered some injectable anadrol and was hoping to run it for the last 2 weeks of my blast but it’s taking a little longer to arrive due to the pandemic. Never used it but heard good things.
This is applicable to me also atm as I'm using anadrol too. I can understand that it may be poor at binding, but I just do not see how pulsing it 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off can be effective at least not for strength gains anyway. As soon as you come off it after about 3 days you quickly lose strength from what you have gained as I have found out already. I've never heard of guys in powerlifting circles coming on and off it frequently at least, surely you have to keep using it to build up worthwhile amounts - same as Dbol.