posted Sat, 12/07/2019 - 11:05
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+ 1 To Donate or Not To Donate Blood?
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Recently I was watching rxmuscle and Dave Palumbo recommends that bodybuilders shouldn't donate blood because donation won't lower clotting risk. He went on to explain why he believes that the high hemoglobin and high blood cells will go to improve athletic performance and why platelets cause clots. What do you guys think? Is it good to donate blood or not to donate?
(If you wanna watch his full explanation, here is the video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAZRmoKwGLA
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So if you have chance to do it and your blood is accepted for donating, do it one time per 2 months or minimum one time in 3 months.
Yes, it is very helpful to donate blood one time in 1-2 month, especially if you run some bold)
I guess blood donating is good thing as well as good for health too...
But am not sure about bodybuilder should donate blood or not because gym going guys who focus more on muscle gaining intake supplements, and many other related things too so before donating blood lets first discuss with doctor to avoid future if any...
I’m going to try to clear some of this up from a medical standpoint.
Donating blood helps lower cardiovascular risk if you have highly viscous blood. Anything that increases blood pressure significantly or makes it harder to pump can lead to turbulent blood flow. That abnormal flow pattern is what contributes to damage and deposition of plaques in the walls of your vessels, particularly when your LDL/HDL isn’t the greatest. So a hematocrit of 50, nah not going to be too bad. 55+ should probably look at donating unless you want to chug water all the time to keep your blood thinner.
Other problems on cycle helped with donation: Estrogen also increases the production of clotting factors by the liver, so if you do not have your E2 in check, it’s likely you have a higher tendency to clot on cycle. No reason to take chances there. Combined with the fluid retention properties of many commonly used AAS, you’ve got a recipe for high blood pressure and a high clotting chance. Take your fish oil, anti-inflammatories/antioxidants, keep your estrogen/BP in check, and some occasional cardio never hurt either.
As far as negative effects of donating blood, there really aren’t a lot. Your blood serum will compensate within 24-48 hours and you will make up for the volume lost with extra plasma. Outside of an elite endurance athlete, probably not going to notice any dip in performance. But if your blood is too thick, you’ll likely notice you’re out of breath, anxious, feel weak, and get headaches. These are due to the fact your heart now can’t pump as effectively since the resistance of your blood is higher. In which case donating will actually INCREASE performance plus save your heart from extra hypertrophy.
And by the way you will lose so minuscule an amount of hormones from a pint of blood donating its almost not measurable. We’d be turning old ladies getting our blood into guys if that were the case. Think we measure test levels in nanograms per deciliter. One pint donated is 4.7 deciliters, and we have 12 pints of blood at least in our bodies. Even with a test level of 10,000ng/dL, we would lose 47,000ng of test. Which if you hate math is 0.047 milligrams.
Overall just get some bloodwork done and if you have high hematocrit, donate. If not, keep everything in check like you should be doing anyway and you’ll be just fine.
Actually, the human body has from 9-12 pints not at minimum 12. Women have 9 and men based on size have 10-12. So on average 10. If I have 100nl of test and give 1 pint of my average of 10 pints I have what?
The point is there is ZERO proof that giving blood is good for you UNLESS there is a medical reason. 24-48 hours your blood starts to replenish and up to a month you have limited endurance. If you say average Joe won't notice that is correct, but average Joe is not training 6-7 days a week.
So many myths and conjecture it's crazy. If I have to give blood every few months what the hell are my kidneys for? You can Google health benefits of giving blood all day and get back a ton of agreements, once you flip your search you will see the truth.
Give blood because someone may need it or your actual doctor told you to. Other wise keep letting red Cross sell your blood to hospitals under the guise you have to do it and giving you a cookie and a gift card.
I feel great for weeks after giving blood. Do you actually give?
I give once a year and get money for doing so. They want my plasma. My blood work shows nothing that I should be concerned about. That may change in a few more years.
I mean yeah I’m assuming the juiced up guys on here are bigger than the average male, therefore the 12 pints. Regardless, the point of that was to prove there is minuscule loss of hormone as most of it is concentrated in the oil depot.
Otherwise absolutely you’re correct, if there is a medical reason you should, if not don’t worry about it. That was the point of my whole post. There are just several reasons that would classify as medical that are common in steroid users. It’s not a secret it’s not the healthiest thing we do, and the interactions between all of the organ systems are complex at best. Your kidneys, liver, and endothelial systems will adapt to a lot of abuse and keep you ok for a while yes. It’s long term damage that isn’t immediately apparent we’re trying to avoid. Steroids (obviously depending on which ones), force your body to produce more blood cells, retain salt/water, produce more clotting factors, destroy lipids, and those will all increase CVD risk. Not to mention the cardiac stress just being that jacked takes as well. A 220+ pound guy that was never made to be that large will stress their organs as well. If your bloodwork, blood pressure, and other health markers are fine then it doesn’t matter. And at the end of the day, people do far worse to their bodies than we do and come out just fine.
I googled nothing for my entire post, that’s all just prior knowledge. I don’t care what anyone does with their own body, just have the facts to make an informed choice. I personally only donate when I experience symptoms, or bloodwork tells me to. There are serious benefits to having extra red blood cells, as long as your blood doesn’t become too viscous then it’s awesome for athletes.
I hope I didn't sound like a dick as I was not intending to do so. I don't disagree with your findings one bit.
I do Power Red donations to stay safe. The benefit of this donation is you donate 2 units of red blood cells in one visit. They first take the 1 unit, then return plasma and fluids along with a saline solution. Then they take the second and repeat the processs. So even though you give 2 units of RBC you're not actually losing any blood volume per say as they return everything to you along with saline. The needle is smaller and the machine takes care of the rest. All in all its about 30 min procedure and no repercussions afterwards. I've done it twice so far and head in today at noon. I'll take it easy the remainder of the day but will train tomorrow at 430am. Thus far i haven't noticed any decrease in strength of feeling weak or whatnot. If you have low H&H this isn't the blood donation for you.They will pin prick you before hand to test so you don't have to worry about where you're at numbers wise.
I respect Palumbo and his knowledge yet multiple doctors in the TRT field have advocated for their patients to donate. A high H&H is good for endurance athletes, folks who live at altitude, and for brief periods of time while on cycle to maximize gains and training. Any time the blood gets to thick it makes the entire body work harder to cycle it throughout..and if one is not hydrated properly that can spell disaster. I for one feel better after donating and i feel as though its the smart thing to do being on TRT the last 6 years.
I feel much better after donating because of blood pressure and thick blood. But personally I believe saving lives is 10 times more important than the 1% difference it’s going to make in muscle mass or recovery that he’s insinuating.
Good comment. I’m going to give blood.
I give because it could possibly save another life....the added bonus is the additional health benefits for myself
I do give for my health ( hc before start donation 56-58 witch is high ) after donation started 3 years ago managed to get it down to 50-52 max .it feels lot better than on high hc + help people in need
StevebNever donated and don't plan on it
Soon as my pressure goes up I donate. Usually every 3 months, plus it helps people in need
Donate! It's the wise thing to do and prudent, and good insurance overall for you.
When you donate blood it takes 4 weeks for your blood to return to normal. I went to draw blood a few days ago and the nurse told me I should not train for 48 hours after and my endurance will be lowered for up to 4 weeks after donating. They also would not draw it because I trained 30 minutes before going.
It's only recommended by TRT doctors if they notice your hemo is high. My Endo only wants me to donate because my blood type is rare and I have been on trt for 6 years now. Based on journals and medical texts you gain nothing donating but peace of mind that you may help another human being/or if your count is high.
Everything I wrote can easily be fact checked so do as you want. If there is no medical reason you can give or not give.
Just remember the testosterone in your body is flowing through your veins. Give blood and lose 1/10 of it.
Your blood is not car oil, that's what your kidneys are for, to filter and clean your blood.
I do it for the health benefits. Supposed to cut the risk of heart attack by 88%
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/9737556/
Molinin302Twiztd is spot on. Consider it an "oil change" for your blood. Out with old, and in with new. Knock on wood, my lipids have been pretty good, but donation is important. Many compounds will make your blood basically "sticky". I'm not a physician, but neither is Palumbo. Trust me on this, donate. I do red cross. And besides the benefit to you, you may save someone's life.
I'm not donating blood for clotting it increases your blood volume and for me that raises my blood pressure. I'll stay at 110/65 donating every 8 wks. If I dont I can go about 6months it will creep up to 138/75. Off cycle. On cycle with like eq or tren I'll be 160/95 if I don't donate. If I do every 8wks like I normally do I'll only get to 120/70 on cycle