posted Sun, 11/10/2013 - 12:03
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Pros and saturated receptors?
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With all I have read about receptors becoming saturated and gains then becoming basically non existent, how are pros making gains while staying on year round? Wouldn't there receptors be so burned out and saturated after a couple months let alone years of continuous use?
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receptors don't "downgrade" thats a bullshit myth.
people stop noticing gains 8 weeks into cycle because they dont eat enough
ClassyChassisIf your gains are slowing down then you need to start eating more. If you're only eating enough to support 220lbs, how do you think you are going to get to 230lbs? You aren't. You have to supply the raw materials. AAS increase nitrogen retention, but you have to have the nitrogen first.
Also, a lot of the pros' size comes from hGH and slin as well. And a lot of food. A lot of food without drugs = fat. A lot of drugs without food = stalled gains.
The difference between the gains you make on-cycle eating 3g protein/lb of bodyweight, and the gains you make eating 2g/lb are night and day.
That reminds me, I need to eat...
TropicanaJuiceSo you think when people, myself included think that gains are slowing down it's more of a fact from not eatin enough? I've read time and time again guys stop gaining at around 8-10 weeks that's why most feel 8 week cycles are better
ClassyChassisI think there is a lot going on, and maybe we don't understand all of it. But the receptor downgrade thing is an assumption. I could just as easily assume that the more androgens there are, the more the AR will be UP-regulated, or increased in number even.
One possibility: The fascia is too restrictive and not allowing further growth. I actually believe this, which is why I practice and advocate extreme stretching. The difference this made in my chest and calves especially, was phenomenal.
Another possibility: Beginning excitement and expectations. Do not discount the power of your mind, your beliefs and expectations, to influence things, especially your training (and other subtle factors).
And yes, food intake. As you get bigger, you are going to need more just to maintain, let alone grow. But seriously, the extreme stretching thing? Very under-utilized imo.
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/extreme-stretching-and-...
TropicanaJuiceGood post brother +1, I love stretching I think it's a big player too, and if one were to keep increasing the foot intake, what's stopping people from running longer cycles, and just fewer of them and an aggressive pct. For example if the receptor saturation thing is a myth what's wrong with a perfect diet, maybe 20 weeks then a good pct?
ClassyChassisActually, most people do run cycles for longer than 8 weeks. 16-20 wks is pretty common.
TropicanaJuiceFriend request sent brother
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FST -7 training also addresses stretching of the muscle fascia.
Anonthats why I dump 20 pounds of Epsom salts into our hot tub 4 times a week... my shit gets stretched more than a pornstar
magnesium is essential for loosening the muscle fascia up ... I m in the tub at least twice a week and for sure after deadlifting ...
Anondo you add it on top of the salts?
ClassyChassisEpsom salt is magnesium sulfate. I think that's what she means. Although magnesium chloride (aka magnesium flakes) is better suited for transdermal absorption
Anoncouldn't you add chloride on top of the epsom salts thought?
ClassyChassisYes, you certainly could.
ClassyChassisI use magnesium oil on my muscles after training even.
hmm I havent tried that .. I actually like the baths.. would take them over showers every day if I could
ClassyChassisI'm jealous. Been quite a while since I could fit in a normal-size bath tub.
I havent fit in a normal size tub for many years... this is a big fing spa tub...lol...
ClassyChassisI wasn't familiar with that, John Parrillo talked about extreme stretching back in the early 80s, but I'm reading about it now. Thank you GRRRL, I love learning about new ideas and approaches. (-:
Edit: Ok, so this approach is to stretch the fascia from the inside, via the pump. Which is what the guys in the 60s did, chase the pump. And then they would stretch it as well, while it was pumped. The last 7 sets in this method also reminds me of Vince Gironda, the Iron Guru's methods, such as 8 sets of 8 reps with minimal rest between sets. ha, the more things change, the more they remain the same...
goth and i used it last cycle.. you can only use it running a push pull routine with one muslce group per session or you will end up over training ... it works though my arms are approaching 17 inches... the stretching in between sets even on "normal" days seems to make a difference as well.. you know it though classy everything goes round and round...
look at it this way .. we call it a cycle for a reason... there are peaks and valleys.. but i gaurantee you the two cycle killers are lack of food ... and lack of change in training routines... the body is magnificient at adapting to what we throw at it ... so when you plateau you must change something .. since you aren't changing your gear you've got two options.. diet and training ...
Withdrawl2X!! This exactly. Always looking to improve constantly requires constant change so you're body doesn't get used to it. GRRRL hit it right on the head. Lack of changing routines and lack of food are what sets people back.
I can't thumb you up classy but the theme for the month is EAT.. and then EAT some more
TropicanaJuiceI agree eating is what makes or break you, I always tell people ur in the gym maybe an hour or two a day, the rest of the 22-23 hours you are outside of the gym, eating and resting. Training is just the stimuli
rest is when you grow ;-)
I'll thumb him for you ......... that sounds a little dirty.
lmao.... it sounds a bit... Grimey....lol
ClassyChassis(-:
AnonWell, most people assume by their gains slowing down it is due to their receptors downgrading. The thing is, receptor degeneration has never been scientifically proven. If you ask me for my .02 i think the reason why we feel this way, or think this way is because our bodies have certain peaks and walls that aren't meant to be humanly crossed without sacrifice.
Someone who is 5'7 might be able to run juice and get to 210, 220 but 250? getting to that point will require high ass doses, not because you're saturated, but because your body isn't physically meant to be that weight.
TropicanaJuiceSo you think it's more of hitting your potential for that cycle? I mean certainly you can take time off and come back and continue to gain.
Anonabsolutely. everyone has a genetic barrier. If not, everyone would be 350 pound monsters like Ramy.. some guys, no matter how much gear, slin, hgh they use - will never be on a pro status.