+ 13 Please stop spreading Broscience and Parrot talk
Seriously. Some of you guys have been here for many years and we have posted up some scientific proof about anti estrogens and blood results, e.t.c yet I still see fkn responses that make me fkn laugh from some of you so called "advanced users." Come on guys, the 1st and foremost answer to anyone should be "Did you get bloods drawn?" or "what was the result of your blood test?" Most of you just jump right in telling them to take x amount of this and x amount of that and hcg and BLAH FKN BLAH.
EDIT: I corrected the information below because most of the journals I pulled from a couple years ago say 2ml. Speaking with my Endocrinologist he said 1.5ml is starting to be the best practice due to more abscesses in the deltoid region happening lately. My experience is based off of an actual doctor when I say 1.5ml.
It's the same when medical texts tell you to only use 2ml in your delt or 5ml max in your glute and 2ml max in your thigh. There is a fkn reason why medical text tells you not to do any more then that yet some of you love tempting fate and do 3cc in your delt, 3cc in your tri's and bi's and 5cc in your glute. just because you got away with it now does not mean you will forever.
People come here to learn and ask for help. it does not help when you tell them the exact opposite. I know, it's because if they get fucked up it won't affect you in the least but hey, you got 1 karma point from your salad tossers, now you qualify for that bottle of prop right?
When I am at work and I do not have an answer for something I RESEARCH, I grab books, I listen, I learn, I test, so that way when my boss asks me again i have FACTS to back up my answers.
One of the most overlooked thing everyone does here is PCT and anti estrogens. I researched those until my eyes and finger bled because the one thing important to any cycle and gains is keeping everything in check.
It also helps with your gains and also keeps your dick hard.
So please please please, if you have no idea what you are talking about, don't say anything. Are you here to help or try and get karma points so you qualify for 1 free bottle of prop or 5 pills of dbol?
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Even with bloods there are so many variables for each individual. Consult with your M.D. about your results and your goals. That added together with the advice and experience you take away from other aas users will give you the surest path to success with continued good health.
RustyhookerUnless you're not trt and your md posts steroid use on your charts and insurance dumps you.
When I got sick last month, Dr. starts asking what meds I'm on, then slips in "what steroids you taking" I said I'm not. Then he changed the subject. You don't want that shit tied to your name. Once they enter it in the computer, everyone in network can read it.
So assuming you have a health care provider you can trust and maybe even one who is positive towards your fitness goals include them in discussions/decisions. You could also pay cash for visits with a doctor you select just for this purpose. If your able to afford compounds, supplements, and adequate food an office visit to speak openly and honestly about your health, goals, and how they relate shouldn't be a stretch.
RustyhookerThe biggest word you will ever come across....IF
IF...you cant trust em
IF....hes positive towards your goals
IF...you can pay him cash
IF....a magic genie flies out my ass sprinkling my domain with gold and primobolan.
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Fantasy World (above) vs Real World (below)
Your health care provider pays high amounts in malpractice insurance, having a conversation with you about your goals and supporting them would at a minimum raise said rates, ............ or lose his/her license to practice medicine.
RustyhookerNext ya know acab there will ask more silly lead ins...
I'm speaking from personal experience also I know of others who can have dialogue with their health care providers about these things. Just like with using AAS to begin with exercise cautions, common sense and do some research first.
Great post Irish ! I have also read several of your posts about anti estrogens and incorporated the information in my cycles . Do you have any new information about post cycle thepary.
So can I do 1 1/2 cc in my rear delt and then 1 1/2cc in my front? Just curious?
ArmedI dunno, Did you get bloods drawn? What was the result of your blood test?
SAF is what it said under everything...
were all differnt of course. , but i got hige delts. , i put 2 in rear delts. , and front delts i generally go 1. ,,they burn even with 1cc. not to bad the day after but it irrates me whole inject. ...
Depends on size and experience etc, i dont see how you would need to though plenty of sites for rotation.
Just a dumb question but I was curious.
If anyone every sees harmful wrong advice handed out. Handle it like men. An if it gets out of hand point it out to a mod.
We are all men here and some women. We are also all grown adults too.
Very optimistic
I think this is a great idea! It's definitely going to make the community open up books and re-research again!
I already download a few ebooks to refresh my memory, including a favorite of mine anablics 9th ed.
Great post and couldn't agree more. Been away travelling for a while and nice to come back to see this.
RustyhookerAmen!!! I ripped on some dude earlier tossing pure bs on a forum.
Whoever negged you must be in the spotlight of bs broscience.
I thought the same thing rusty! Either that or some fat thumb bulking member lol
"When I am at work and I do not have an answer for something I RESEARCH, I grab books, I listen, I learn, I test, so that way when my boss asks me again i have FACTS to back up my answers."
Can you reference the piece of medical literature that tells you the maximum amount of CC;s you can inject ?
RustyhookerYou can find it anywhere on medical website. But keep in mind that Drs write their info based on a 1 time pin. You never go to a Dr and get 2000mg a week.
Trust in the fact that vets know and have learned the hard way. Theres enought guys here from over 6 years in the trt section that know and prove MORE than endocrinologist know.
Well, shit. Looks like it changed again. I did some more research and they say max in delt is 2ml BUT they found issues. They also say 5ml in the glute BUT once again issues. These articles are also from several years ago and things have changed. its funny how I ask my Endocrinologist and he said 1.5cc is being adopted for the delts due to sterile abscesses occurring more frequently from 2ml.
http://pharmlabs.unc.edu/labs/parenterals/intramuscular.htm
Quoting,
Generally only limited injection volumes can be given by intramuscular injection: 2 ml in the deltoid and thigh muscles, and up to 5 ml in the gluteus maximus. The point of injection should be as far as possible from major nerves and blood vessels to avoid neural damage and accidental intravenous administration.
Notice 2ml in the thigh and delt, not 3cc or 5cc BUT you can inject 5cc in your ass all day as long as you use a 1.5" needle. That would be one painful ass shot and you would have to use a 22 gauge or be prepared to inject for about 30 minutes lol.
http://www.oncologynurseadvisor.com/chemotherapy/large-volume-im-injecti...
Its funny, if you do a google search for injection volume, what pops up 1st is all the aas sites and EVERY one of them has nothing but different answers. No wonder people have no idea what they are doing lol.
Yeah, you can shoot that much oil in the glutes, but I wouldn't advise it. My endocrinologist used to let me pin 4cc of Nebido in my glutes. I had to use a 1 1/2 pin at 20 or 21g. I had to psyche myself up to do those horse needles. No fun. No sir, I didn't like it.
RustyhookerI fully hear ya. Ive been keeping pins 1.25 or below in cc. I'd rather have many small pins than worry the medical issues. My pip forum describes the same. Hopefully more come together but its all up to that individual until abscess or whatnot
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Everyone forget every person respond differently to each product so all those PCT cycle are useless in majority. Plus taking adex or anything when ur levels are actually fine will ruin your gains, and can make u feel like shit by drooping ur levels to almost 0.
RustyhookerWhich is why the op and us vets ask for bloods. Bloods takes the bs outta the equation.
Pct is just a base as posted. Anone with a brain knows to run it longer as needed.
Ya as you said anyone with brains. But this kids now day just want the easy way. So they don't spend time to do some research or to even do blood work.
Where can i get the prop? And is the 5 dee bawls the blue fiyah ones? How much tribulus and zma do i take after i finish the 5 dee balls? 12.5 eod??
You need 10 karma or more, just pm someone and ask them to follow you around and give you plus's everytime you say fyre or gtg. or everytime you suggest .25 adex eod no matter what cycle someone's running.
That was working for a while, I know they keep catching them though so watch your back Bro! lol.
No worries bro. Lol.
Good point people are jus lazy nowadays as far as doing their own research
BigWAHcrybabyTalk about lazy haha says the fat fuck who's probably an alcoholic and writes drunk messages to people mhhmmm
RustyhookerMy avatar calls out for you. The whaaambulance is arriving. Damn crybaby
RustyhookerX2. Spoiled lil gimmee yolo kids
excellent point ,
Glad you posted this up. I was thinking about writing something similar a while back. Thanks for putting this out there! +1
Wasnt me, I green thumbed it.
...how fat are your thumbs? hummm
Pretty fat, but the green thumbs up is lit up on my phone.
Edit: muscular, muscular thumbs
Sounds like you'd be a profitable butcher...
Funny you say that, back in the day I was known as the butcher by the ladies.
Ironically, so is ed.
Rofl .. that's rich
From what ive read we're slaughtering different parts, haha
I am known as Don Juan because all the girls Don Juanna go out with me.
Bahahahaha I thought I was the only one that had that problem
Lmao, thats a good one