+ 8 On ur way to TRT
I'm getting all these crazy PMs of guys asking for cycle advice for these crazy cycles that i really cant answer
here is my opinion
Deca is one mean 19nor, while its one of my favorite, i highly recommend that u stay away from it, if u cycle..the hardest shutdown was from deca, truly is the HARDEST steroid to recover from. this is the reason why so many ppl have trouble keeping gains after cycle that has Deca. and it will mess up ur LH and FSH for a long time even after cycle.
EQ: I love eq, but most guys want to run these crazy 20+ weeks cycles.. EQ peaks around week 6, there is no need to run this compound for more then 14 weeks. u ll get 8 weeks to reap the benefits. I dont understand how some ppl can recover from a 20 week cycle or even an 18 week cycle.. perhaps some one here who finished a 20 week cycle of EQ can tell me about their recovery.
Running 19nors all the time and these lengthy cycles will cause u to go on TRT, trust me Im on TRT.. and while i like to say that its by choice, its not, I put my self on TRT because my test level wouldnt rise about 300 due to my cycling of deca and not taking enough time off.
IMO most ppl use TREN and DECA early because they are looking for the quick lbs, and while it may work, ur doing a toll on ur body.. I use Tren and deca because my body has adapted to the drugs from being on TRT, making gains way harder..
Just a heads up guys, there is nothing wrong w/ just testostrone. a 500mg/week will give 4 x the amount of the highest natty test that can be found. a 750mg/ week is 6 x the amount of that as well. if u cycle correctly w/ blood works , u can do 2 cycle every year and a quarter. thats 6 month out of 15 month.. which mean that ur on steroid 40% of the year.. thats not bad at all.. if u can keep 15lbs of muscle every 15 month.
just my IMO, u can grow off test with out punishing ur axis , why add slin, another steroid every cycle..u guys dont really want limp dick, that shit stays w/ u for a long time
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Test is the ONLY steroid I use. I use it with GH and run 1 or 2 cycles a year. I try to convince people to do the same, but it's pretty hard to do so on a site like this which is all about AAS.
That's cause your running high quality growth which is way better than steroids.
For us who don't have the money or connect's test just ain't enough to see dem gainz.
AnonI disagree with the statement.
take out the cost of the 3-4 oils, and 2 Orals everyone runs each cycle and you could run Serostim at a medium to high dose.
Muta how many IU's of serostim do you think I would need to take to maintain gains from AAS if I were to take a long long time off AAS?
Anon2IU
Hmmm.. As far as pounds gained AKA dem gainz, I attribute this to Test and diet more so than HGH.
Also, if everytime you wanted to buy compounds other than test, you save that money, you will be able to afford grow much sooner than you think, especially if you know where to get it from =)
Well played sir.
Anon500mg of Test should yield 4000-5000 on blood tests, granted its GOOD Test, put that into perspective when most people who have been doing this for a while are probably 400-650 natural - so 8-10x normal Test levels... no need to overdue it
I double front loaded EQ. 1200mg week 1 and week 2. Ran it for 18 weeks and ran my test 20 weeks and was fine. It does depend on the person. Pct does not bring you back to homeostasis but does aid in the process of brining it back faster. You take care of yourself and do research and have legit pct gear then you should be able to recover from anything.
As far as many cycles in a year. Why not run short esters? You could get 3 short ester cycles in a year and doesn't short ester make your pct a little easier?
All this needed said, and I hope many read it. I don't understand where the fire is. If a test only cycle worked so great, why the majority seems to be trying to cram 4 and 5 compounds in on the second cycle. That's if their first was a test only. I'm glad to see people like you and Hollywood preaching the turtle and to pace Thanks for posting this.
AnonGreat insight! Personal experience and some real thoughtful and caring advice. Welcome back my dude!!!!!!!!!!!
Good post homie! Cycle length with EQ is debatable but I agree 100% with the 19nor cycles. I would be scared to know how many and what percentage of deca or tren cycles that have ever been ran without proper ancillaries! Most people have no fucking idea!
I strongly disagree with you on EQ you was even in the tread with viking an many others who clearly said EQ does nothing till weeks 10+ and if it does you must be a true exception if its working at "6weeks" alomost unheard of an as well with me I didn't see anything till weeks 12 on and as long as you have an aggressive PCT what vike did say is he just doesn't recommend going 30 weeks if ur not TRT so IMO 20weeks in fine just don't go above that but I don't recommend anyone who doesn't have much back round in aas or protocols mess with it till later on ...... I've ran EQ for 16 and 19 weeks and I'm not TRT and I recovered just fine with clomid 100/100/50/50 ... nova 50/25/25/25 and I kept all the gains witch was far batter then 16weeks I felt robbed honestly hard did anything at all...... but other then that good write up bro just had to put my 2 cents in there
Did u front load the EQ? I know ppl who recover from steroids like its nothing, its all about genetics. and i seen others who fuck them selves off a 12 weeks cycle. i know a guy who went on TRT after a var and test cycle , his second cycle w/ proper pct. how long till u were able to get ur blood level back to what it was after that 20 wker?
Sure did at 1200mgs for the first 3 weeks then 600mgs for the remaining time
6 weeks after the cycle till everything went back to par and I just wanna make this clear for all the new comers an those who wanna think about doing this .... like he said everyone is different with different recovery rates just because I or anyone else can do 20 weeks an be fine doesn't mean everyone will have the same out come
Goddamn son... How was your lower back on that dose? My shit kills me when I get past 900, no matter what supps I take with it.
You are the only person I've heard of get back pumps from EQ
I've never gotten any back or forearm pumps from EQ either. EQ always helps with my cardio and anything that increases pumps like var hinder my cardio performance
SDM
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And a couple others are some that shared the same issue.
Hmmm... I may increase my dose to 1200/week and see if I notice any pumps
I never had any back pain with EQ only pains I ever get is during cardio in my legs
Bad luck on my part I guess. Constant lower back pumps, and insane pumps in my legs and forearms. Had to cut some workouts short during my double frontload bc the shit had my arms or legs in pain
I hear you on the pumps I've had to cut workout short as well due to forearms so painful I couldn't even grip the weight
Boom! and Boom!
Brother its a hard sell to the youngsters who have all these goodies at the fingertips. Its tough when you are young and know better LOL!
There are alot of us who were young and dumb (and broke our axis) cuz we didn't have access to a site like this but even with the access (some) of these guys just do what they want. Although it is a smart man that learns form his mistakes its a wise man that learns from the mistakes of others. THIS is a mistake that smart won't fix. Its gonna suck when your 30 and you dick don't work (au natural)and its going to wreak havoc on your psyche. Just the thought of impotence makes some guys go impotent (Nojoke!)
...and YES you guys can make monster gains on TEST only for YEARS!
Couldn't have said that any better
Great post bro. Although I disagree with the statements on EQ, you still hit the nail on the head with everything else.
thank u, u dont think EQ peaks around week 6
I have to agree, mainly cuz doss gave me a little advice before my current EQ cycle. I double frontloaded 1500 mg and am running 825 mg/week. I felt slight hunger around week 5 but I'm just starting to see everything else now and it's week 8. Veins aren't popping yet but are making an appearance.
You can begin to see the effects of any compound prior to plasma levels peaking. This is called the "active" level. Reaching the active level sooner with the frontload but the peak time is still the same.
Bold cyp will peak around week 6, but bold undeca is a much slower release. More like 9 weeks +/-
Darron614More sources need to start carrying Bold Cypionate. It would make 12 week EQ cycles reasonable.
I agree. There are some US domestic sources that carry it though. Can't talk about that here tho.
must be my genetics
Not too much can be said about how genetics compare with the pharmacological properties provided by an ester. That ester is designed to govern the release of the paired hormone. Genetically speaking, you may respond better at a lower active level than the next, but the release continues to occur with levels building up until plasma levels actually peak.
Even with a frontload the release rate remains the same, which means the "peak" occurs in the same timeframe. The difference with the frontload, and why it's so beneficial, is because you're injecting a greater amount at one time. So, as each ester is released from the hormone, you're getting more each time as opposed to the lower dose. If that makes sense.
The peak is dose dependant, meaning that as you pin it, the amount pinned builds up with the following pins, meanwhile Ester are being released, until the release and build up have reached a constant level. The higher the dose, the higher the peak.
Thank you for this bro, seriously.
Your 799 was pissing me off. Felt 800 was a better rounded number.:-)
3PUMPCHUMPGood post from a reputable member here. I was considering 19 nor and I am unsure I want to take the plunge. I have all the gear and prami to give it a go but I think I am going to try test with EQ and anavar finisher first and keep the rest on the back burner. And to answer your question why people chase deca and tren is because people want more so to get huge and jacked rather than concern themselves with long term consequences it is the American way. That's why members like you are truly an asset to the community. I do not want trt in my future and appreciate the advice.