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So my current source doesn’t offer any deca dosed low enough to use on a cruise. Obviously I could use a different source to get lower dosed deca if I have too but they do have NPP.
From my understanding NPP doesn’t have the healing qualities that deca has or at least not the same or a potent. Is this true? I’m looking for healing qualities while cruising even if it’s only really effective while on deca.
If the healing effects are just not as great how much are we talking? The NPP is priced just right and I also would like to pull labs during a cruise with this source to test the gear. So ideally hoping to only use one source.
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I do not understand why your saying "my current source doesn’t offer any deca dosed low enough to use on a cruise"
Just use less of it even if it's 500mg/ml and you want to use 50mg why can't you put 0.1ml in syringe?
Ps in my opinion shouldnt be using anything other than TRT on a cruise anyway
You sound like your a danger to yourself
Cruise? Neither. Duh
There's no difference between deca and npp except the ester. It's the same exact compound (nandrolone). Only difference is the half life. But you wouldn't want either on a cruise, you'd want to drop test down close to close to TRT levels and maybe run some proviron if you really need something else.
Cruise IS trt....
A cruise is NOT trt. It's a dosage higher than trt and lower than your blast dosage.
I think if your really after joint healing and recovery try bpc+tb. Maybe a few IU of GH and really get tons of sleep, stretch, work on muscle imbalance and mobility.
UNIT_nandrolone is not something you want to be running year round
Hey, the deca cruise is really dumb. I don't know how dying is gonna help with back pain or whatever. I get that it's a bitch and a half to deal with but try ANY other treatment than steroids. Also if you just suck at math why dont you just use chatgpt for dosing?
Here’s a curve ball
Is there an oral form of nandrolone?? Where I’m only looking for legit therapeutic doses maybe a low dose, not muscle enhancing but growth promoting, therapeutic dose of nandrolone orally for 6-8 weeks could suffice??
Again here.
50mg to 75mg of nandrolone isn’t the worst thing in the world. Yes it is a 19nor but I’m not talking about forever here!!!!!!
ODDATYou sound like a silly boy.
Dude you have other posts talking about blasting 500 deca 500 test 400 mast or some shit like that. And some other madness about going on some outrageous cruise with anavar and deca and test and fairy dust. But here you are talking about an oral deca, and asking how much to pull back on an insulin pin, and don't know how to do basic math. You're either completely full of shit or you're just trolling.
I wouldn't be that dismissive of him. The post is dumb for sure but I've noticed a lot of people start using gear when theyre in a bad place mentally. I certainly did and it miraculously actually helped a lot, but because I was in a bad place mentally a lot of my online interactions were..uh...retarded. Noone starts out being a gear guru.
Yea ur right I'm being a little bitchy today. My bad.
Not the kind of humility I would expect from a Mastershake pfp.
Hahaha ya Im letting the legend down.
His next post will be, "Help my E2 is high, dick don't work, puffy nips, not sure what's going on"
Not supposed to cruise a 19-nor due to its deleterious nature IMHO…(Deca or NPP, still nandrolone) … exactly. People forget nandrolone isn’t just ‘mild’ because it feels smooth on the joints. Chronic dopamine suppression, prolactin elevation, long-term neuroendocrine disruption… all while you’re supposedly “recovering.” Genius plan. But hey, as long as the PIP is low and the source checks out, who cares about actually functioning like a human long-term, right?
No it isn’t about “who cares”. It’s about becoming more aware. You are right about the 19nor and how suppressive it is. That we forget that deca is a super supplement that indeed has super powers when taking for long periods of time. But those long periods of times are calculated risks where right now. Not stressing out the body if you don’t need to, even if your vital signs say you can, it’s s not a good idea because people are still popping like flies and/or ruining their lives. I get it.
Right now I’m still managing chronic back pain. This is the first time they offered a consult with a surgeon. The diagnosis says everything is recoverable but I have to start taking physical therapy and overall joint health seriously. Right now I have so much uneven muscle in my back like Dorian Yates going out of style that it could very well be why my back is F’d up. Forcing muscle to go back into their places not only takes time and therapy. But it’s painful as fuck. So yes I’d like some deca lol. But talk to me I’m listening
The super power of filling your heart with collagen and causing cardiac fibrosis lol. You don’t even have to be on it long term for that according to the studies.
Totally get where you’re coming from and I respect the honesty. But yeah, that context is very different from cruising on nandrolone. Managing injury short-term with a calculated 19-nor blast is one thing… making it your base hormone for months on end is a whole other game with serious long-term consequences. Glad you’re staying aware and open … that’s already ahead of most.
let’s crack this bitch wide open!!!!!
Yeah, Deca feels like a cheat code.
Because it’s not just anabolic, it’s got glucocorticoid-suppressing, collagen-stimulating, synovial-lubing fucking superpowers. That’s why your joints feel like they’ve been baptized when you're on it. It's not fake, it’s legit biochemical magic.
Increases collagen synthesis (Type I & III)
Boosts synovial fluid retention
Reduces inflammatory cytokines (IL‑6, TNF-α)
Acts like a mild painkiller through progestogenic pathways
But here’s where the science slaps back, that same progestogenic activity that makes you feel like you injected WD-40 in your elbows, It also suppressing your HPTA harder than someone stomping on you nuts! Long-term use = crushed natural test, prolactin spikes, RBC overload, potential LV thickening, and silent cardiovascular remodeling. Yeah, you feel good… but under the hood, You're playing chess with a landmine.
Now stack that with a dysfunctional kinetic chain, jacked-up spinal alignment, and years of lifting like a savage, your muscle imbalances are literally yanking your spine like a damn marionette. That’s not just pain, that’s mechanical war, and yeah, fixing it hurts like fucking hell.
You said it best: "Forcing muscle back into place takes time, therapy, and pain." That ain’t soft. That’s real.
And here’s where most dudes fuck up, they take Deca as a Band-Aid, not a bridge. They ignore the pain because it's dulled, but they don’t fix the root. And when they come off, Boom....pain’s back, worse than before, plus hormone crash, and now you’re chasing your tail with bloods that look like a science experiment gone wrong.
So if you do run Deca her you go!!!!
Low dose, 100--125mg/week max
Pair with real-ass PT, not "stretching," actual rehab
Caber on deck, prolactin bloods every 4--6 weeks
Telmisartan, CoQ10, Cialis, Hawthorn, heart protection stack
End the cycle with a plan, don’t just "feel it out"
This isn’t about blasting. This is about rebuilding yourself brick by fucking brick. Like Dorian post-triceps tear. Like Ronnie holding himself together with duct tape and grit. You’re not weak for feeling pain. You’re strong for still walking through it.
Deca isn’t the villain. It’s a scalpel. But in the wrong hands, It becomes a fucking hammer. You already sound like the guy who gets that. Don’t mask pain, manipulate it, learn from it, fix the imbalance, then maybe, just maybe, use Deca to grease the hinges while you rebuild the door.
You're not cruising. You’re recalibrating. And that’s a mindset most dudes never reach until it's too fucking late.
Deca on a cruise?
1.5 ml is 500 mgs that’s a blast and two would be 1,000 that’s a heavy blast with deca. That’s a LOT of deca. Your dick isn’t going to work after week 3
1.5 on a slin pin that is 100IU should be about 1/10th of a ML where 2.0 on a slin pin should be about 2/10th of a ML no?
Why the hell are you using an insulin syringe for deca??
Use a slin pin for everything. By slin pin it’s 1cc/100ml barrel with the same luer lock type needle.
Ok, so you change the needle.
How do you push the oil through?
You can put any size needle on it you want. I use 25g 1 inch for glutes and 27 or 28 5/8 for delts and quads. Oil flows fast through those. Can even push it through a 29 or 30.
You push it... I have zero issue pushing .5 ml EOD in about 15-20 seconds through a 30 guage. Honestly I could push harder and inject way faster if I wanted.
wow
I see what you are all saying.
It’s only available in a 500mg dose which is clearly for blasting only. I’m assuming I’d only pull to either 1.5 or 2.0 on a slin pin and do a surface injection once a week?
I’m very curious to pull bloods for this lab for my own and myself and for those to be on point it obviously all has to be their product.
Thanks for showing me that the answer was right in front of me lol
Ok, so firstly you need to figure out how many mg's of decca you are wanting to take and how many shots you are planning to take per week to get to that dose.
Reply to me this info and I will walk you through exactly how to calculate it. It's quick and simple once you learn the formula, which is :volume= Drsired dose / strength, then you divide that into how many injections you will take per week.
So, if you are taking 150mg per week and the vial is 500 mg 10ml vial and you are doing 3 injections per week "m,w,f". Do this...
"Desired volume" ÷ "strengh of vial"=
150 ÷ 500 = .3 if doing 1 shot per week, you would inject .3 ml .
If injecting 3xs per week, divide .3 by 3. That will give you .1
So .1 ml injected m,w,f
I am guessing this would also be taken with a test base in which would be the same exact process above to get your exact dosage. But who knows. Take care
No dude. If your substance is 500mg/ml that means it's 500/mg per ml and there's 10 ml in each bottle. youre going to need to do some critical thinking and figure out the fraction of 1ml that gets you to the dose you want. Ur gonna have to screw your thinking cap on, as this will be an ongoing thing if you start injecting yourself. Also Insulin pins come in different sizes, so don't forget to factor that in. Furthermore, you should probably be injecting deep intramuscular and not subcutaneous anyways.
This dude has no clue what deca is or what he is doing man.
I can tell. Lol. ive never done deca and I can tell this dude is in for a rough fuckin ride once the gear starts flowing hahahaha.
I don't really understand why you can't draw the exact dosage needed yourself, its simple math. If you need help, let me know.
Maybe you would find this post interesting on decca/npp.
https://www.eroids.com/forums/general/general-talk/npp-collagen-and-the-...
NPP and Deca are the same they just have different Esters!! NPP is Propionate so it's a short half life like every other day and you feel it quicker. Deca is Deconate a longer ester so once a week. You can literally just pin how much deca you want. If it is 300mg per 1ml then do a half mL and its 150 and if that is too much cut it to a quarter and have 75mL once per week.
NPP is Phenylpropionate mate, slightly longer than Prop.
your right slightly longer but yes this guy has no clue what deca is.
Not understanding how they don't offer deca in a low enough dose for you. You make it sound like you have to inject a full 1 ml every time or something.
Can't you just inject less deca? Just inject the amount you want per week. Npp ur gonna have to pin every other day, and also do the math to get to the mg/wk dosage you're after. Both are nandrolone with different esters.