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New to trt looking for helpful info

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My estrogen was pretty stupid high on 200 test but my test and free test were high also pinning twice a week. Backing down to about 115 a week pinning 3 times. Also taking 1750 hcg a week as I don’t have kids just want to leave the door open and keep functioning. But also if my estrogen was this high on 200 (no sides besides the water retention maybe) and I thought after finding a good benchmark of doing a starter basic cycle maybe 400 test and 20-25 var I definitely need something to bring this estrogen down. I’ve read not the best things of Al’s as there’s better options maybe primo or mas but I want to minimize hitting my hair on my head I don’t have the best genes for that already but topical Finasteride and minoxidil have been helping with growing it back pretty well. Maybe if someone has tried these or has another idea in the mean time while I dial in my reg trt

Aggieguy's picture

I can already see your estrogen is high because you are on Test and you are using HCG. Also as mentioned below it depends on how you aromatase based on your fat percentage.

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Bodhi's picture

First question I’d ask is body fat %. That alone changes the entire equation.

Higher body fat = more aromatase activity = more conversion of testosterone into estrogen. Two guys on the same dose can have completely different E2 levels purely based on body composition.

Also, if your free T was already high on only 200 mg, that tells me you’re a strong responder. Free T north of ~30 pg/mL is already supraphysiologic for most people. Doubling to 400 mg without understanding your personal aromatization pattern is how estrogen gets out of control quickly.

Before jumping to AIs or adding compounds, there are a few important things to understand:

  1. Free T matters more than dose
    Dose is just the input. Free T is the actual active hormone. If your free T is already high at moderate dosing, increasing dose will increase estrogen conversion proportionally.

  2. Body fat is one of the biggest drivers of aromatization
    Leaner individuals aromatize significantly less. Dropping even 3-5% body fat can materially reduce estrogen levels without adding anything pharmacologic.

  3. Injection frequency helps stability, but total dose still dictates aromatization
    Pinning 3x/week is better than 2x/week for stability, but total weekly androgen exposure is still the primary driver of estrogen production.

  4. Estrogen isn’t the enemy, balance is the goal
    Estrogen is critical for libido, strength, mood, joint health, and cardiovascular function. The goal isn’t to crash it. The goal is to keep it in a healthy ratio relative to your androgen levels.

  5. If an AI is needed, less is usually more, the goal is not to have to take it at all.
    Most people overshoot, and that is usually worse than having it a little higher than "normal". Micro-dosing something like 1/8-1/4 mg intermittently can make a meaningful adjustment without crashing estrogen. It’s a scalpel, not a hammer.

Before adding anything, I would dial in and stabilize your TRT first. This process takes 6–12 months for most guys, but it pays off long term.

Establish a stable TRT dose
Run that protocol consistently for 6–8 weeks
Get labs: total T, free T, SHBG, and sensitive estradiol
Adjust if needed
Repeat over several months

As you lose fat and gain lean mass, your hormone dynamics will change. What required intervention early on may not require intervention later.

Once you truly understand your baseline and response pattern, you can safely explore higher doses or additional compounds while knowing exactly how your body reacts. And you always have a stable TRT baseline to return to if/when things go sideways when you explore other compounds/doses.

Trying to manage estrogen while simultaneously changing dose, frequency, and adding new compounds makes it impossible to know what’s causing what. Every change takes 3-6 weeks to show up on labs and up to 8 weeks to fully stabilize.

Patience here saves a lot of problems later.

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Jayster123's picture

SO i have a question. My recently blood work came back a bit wonky, but im going to retest 3/21.

My estradol is at 65. I'm currently taking 200mg of test and these were done daily in ventroglutes. Whether if needle got in to muscle or fat, which is the bloodwork I got.

I'm also 6ft with 227lbs so definitely 30% bmi. I guess some of my options are taking a inhibitor like primo or anastrozole or lowering the 200 to like 140mg or something. What do you recommend?

Wildling's picture

I'd have to see a picture of this. 5'7 200lbs & 15% bf would be a massive human for that stature. That's Ilia Touporia territory.

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Wildling's picture

That should be!

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Bodhi's picture

“Adjusted FFMI 27.4” unbelievable

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Wildling's picture

I’m 6’4 244. I know I’m around 20%… can still see indentions where the abdominals should be lol

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Wildling's picture

I switched to a stache around Christmas. Loved having a beard but the maintenance started getting unbearable after I dropped weight lol

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Wildling's picture

There are so many factors here. Do you see an endo? Do you have insurance? What were your levels prior to self prescribed trt? What is your height and weight?

HCG will cause aromatization. If you are already fertile, that is too much HCG. I am somewhat of a genetic phenomenon when it comes to anabolic but that is largely due to a pituitary issue that was found in highschool. My estrogen crashes bigly if I’m not careful. I do not get weird gyno sides like others generally do as well. The trade off is/was fertility… but we have a child and my wife had cancer so we scratched number two off the list after trying for two years as we don’t really know who is 100% the “issue”. However I felt like absolute garbage trying to maintain fertility.

Answer those questions and you can get further answers.

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Wildling's picture

Personally, TRT at 480 is silly. TRT is a solution to a problem & you don't have one. Don't fuck up a good thing thinking steroids are going to make all the difference. I guarantee if you get to a healthy weight, your hormone levels will balance out. If your estro is that high already, I can make an assumption about your health... it sounds like you are overweight. Since we don't have a photo, what's your pants size?

I would get off the test completely & get on a SERM protocol for 4-6 weeks. If you want to cycle on & off, at your age go for it.

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romainesweep's picture

You haven't actually listed what your E2 was. If you don't have symptoms and feel good, you don't neccesarily need an AI. Some guys don't even need an AI on 500mg+ test.

Bear in mind the HCG is almost definitely contributing to higher E2. I'd work out how to properly manage E2 on just test first before you start adding other compounds.

romainesweep's picture

Gotcha. HCG is useful but not neccesary if you're not trying to have kids any time soon. 99% guys recover sperm production on the right fertility protocol, even after years of blasting and cruising, but it's up to you whether you keep it in or not.

199 E2 is very high, I'm amazed you're not experiencing any symptoms. I'm guessing that you will sooner or later at that level. Dropping the test dose is a good idea, but if you're at 199 E2 on 200mg test, dropping the test dose and increasing pinning frequency will probably not be enough. You'll likely need aromasin or arimidex to properly control it.

Whatever you do, get labs every 6-8 weeks after making any protocol changes to help you dial in. As someone above said, it normally takes about 6 months of doing this consitently to find the right balance of dosages, ancilliaries, supplements, body fat changes, feeling good, etc etc etc. Good luck!