Interesting....
Okay so I will not give source yet, I will give it another week, and I don't want people coming on here saying stupid things, anyways. I am on a cycle, Test P/Mast P/and Tren A, I have been on this for 6 days, and done 7 injects so far, I'm still trying to find out if it is legit, so in the last 6 days I have lost 4 pounds, lost some size, and strength has gone done on almost all lifts, but today I went to the gym, and did shoulders, and my joints were killing me, worked out for like 5-10 minutes and just left, also I was snapping on people today in the gym because I was so mad, I couldn't lift and I had lost size strength and weight, but everytime I inject I get that tren breath or whatever you want to call it, one more bad thing I am very much disliking is, the PIP from the very first inject 6 days ago is still there, so big distraction I am sore everywhere! Any advice, does it sound legit should I give it another week? Any advice would be amazing, I don't want to keep losing weight and size, but I feel like I'm getting the side effects maybe the strength and body size hasn't kicked in yet and only sides? HELP!
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Dude what happened to this cycle? Plus ur 2nd cycle and ur running MAST and TREN? This would have been good to know brother. Fuck u make a brotha wanna do a backround check the next time anyone ever asks me for advice.
Back to that whole "add one compound per cycle" theory, thrown out the window. Perfect example.
zyrius u crazy mofo, what u doing on tren, i though u were bulking, did u change to cutting
Okay so I talked do GS he advised for me to wetten my joints up with EQ ace or low dose dbol to get it in quick, and after my joints feel better find the perfect dosage for arimidex and do it throughout whole cycle, I have low estrogen is the problem I found out with all the sides I have, so I need to raise my estrogen, thanks for all who chipped in and I will let you guys know how I am doing.
Anongood deal. maybe just to add to that perspective, here's a related post from a guy who went too high on his AI's and his estro floored. one of his sides is painful joints:
http://www.eroids.com/pics/purchase-peptides-letro-torem
Well low estrogen is not a certainty. Lack of water in the joints is a common side with Mast. Bad technique on chest n shoulder routines can also cause pain. But from the way u described it a little extra water in there won't hurt. Since ur already on tren then no nandralones. One 19nor is plenty. Dbol will add water fast and should alleviate that achy crunchy feeling in them shoulders.
cdaddy7That is def dry compound cycle u got running there brother...if u have joint problems pre existing then they def will exacerbate on such a cycle...I find that joint supports help a lot on cycles like these...I know some that throw a low dose of deca or npp in just for the lubrication properties...I def would not sacrifice my joint health for a cycle when u def have enough availability out there for other compounds that can give u the results u seek...consider joint supports or mayb not running such a dry cycle...
100Mg tren Ed is tremendously huge. Strength jumps or lufting extremely hard can make sore joint$.
if you read fast my lifts went down from sore joints lol, I did do heavy chest last night though, and my joints didn't hurt, then trying to hit shoulders this morning, my joints were to sore? I don't think tren would make my joints hurt though, isn't masteron more of a joint drier,it is sounding like nothing I can do to help my joints?
Anonsince masteron is a DHT dirivative, there are blockers for it. i've not read much on them other than how they keep your hair on your head. i recall reading something a while back about excessive amounts of some compound causing "dry joints" as you put it. don't remember what it was tho.. maybe fast can elaborate on that.
joints probably sore in your shoulders due to chest workout. maybe try some heavy doses of glucosamine. it seems to keep mine lubricated
Maybe lower to 75tren since it is that strong. Mast down to 50. Glucosamine and gallon water a day.
Anonwhat are your thoughts on his test dose? i've read conflicting things about the active life of the prop ester. the highest being 3-4 days. so, with that being said, 25mg daily, with an active life of 4 days, levels will mostly build up to 100mg at the most? then there's the conversion rate of test prop. i think his snappiness in the gym is most likely from the tren. if he ups the test, tho, his estro will def reach a noticeable level for him. he does have an ai, which is good. but do you think he should increase it?
Prop is dead in 48hrs. Tpp is 3days. I was going to kick my summer cycle at 50/50 test/tren. It still takes a week or 2 to get full swing. 100imo...definitly will make ya a butthole..
Anonright on, bro. i always thought 48 hrs was the number. i threw that out there bc there are conflicting profile info out there. here's one http://goldenmuscles.com/steroids/testosterone-propionate/ but i def agree with you. i've mostly ran test only cycles, so i'm not used to seeing numbers below 100. 'preciate the input. sorry if i jacked your post Z.
I'm more worried about my joints brotha not my temper, I want to fix the dosages for my joints...
I will try lowering mast to 50 and maybe upping does to test 50 and see how I feel, if still not better I will lower tren to 75 sound like a good plan? or should I keep test dose the same?
Imo....50/50/50. Vike or GS by pm is best help. 100 is huge
vike won't reply I have tried asking him and gs not friends with, but I heard tren sides are worse if test is same level as tren, like I said m main concern is the joints, not so much the temper... but I will try upping test to 50 ED if that doesn't help I will try 75 and then start messing around with tren and mast dosages
Glucosamine. Doses with tren are body specific. Some have it easy high...others low. Joints...glucosamine. Warm up shoulders before lifts.
so your saying no matter what I have to deal with joints being messed up,m changing the dosages won't change a thing?
Adjusting should help. Also....anytime I've gotten sore joints its been from lifting my ass off. Heavy or volume. Steroids is muscle medicine. Glucosamine is joint medicine.
Alright, I'll rest a few days, try and change the dosages and see how I feel!
Cool. Heat/jacuzzi helps. You're getting to be a big dude and it can wear on ya since muscles grow faster than connectivve tissue. I'm just old fart so glucosamine is my daily vitamin. Lol.
Yeah maybe I will tgoing to jacuzzi at gym tomorrow, up my test dosage and see how it feels! Thanks for advice I will keep you posted
Okay, as I said, my main concern is joints, if I take an ai my joints will be even worse, they are all seperate vials, also I take TNE sometimes pre workout, I do a lot of different sites, done QUADS/GLUTES/CHEST/DELTS/BICEPS but all still sore the pip has lasted all week, even in quads and glutes, my dosage is 25 test prop/75 mast prop/ 100 tren A ED I don't want people telling me to stop, I just need help with joints, I'm pretty sure it is legit, since I'm snappy etc!
Anongotcha. thought you were asking about your gear.. can't help with the joint pain.. but damn! the chest?!? that's all you brotha. lol
so you don't think switching up the dosages like maybe lowering masteron and uping test, maybe both 50 mg ed on both?
Anonfor me: i like masteron's characteristics. i personally don't run tren bc there's too many sides associated with it. plus, i've seen too many people turn straight asshole on it. i'm a big enough asshole as it is. lol. so, when i run masteron, i try to go high on it with a good test base. to be honest with you, i get this from my readings and the advice of several. i have ran masteron, but i've never stuck with it long enough to really see the results. my body fat is still relatively high, so cutting agents will not show as easily on me as they may for someone else. mostly, my experience has been test only. hard to really pin point, imo. you may go thru a lot of trial and error and possibly wasted money trying to find the answer. some blood work might avoid that for you.a lot of vets on here bro. i'm sure some will chime in sooner or later with something more helpful.
do you pin them all together? do you have a any caber on hand? its early but it could be due to some prolactin sides.
Yes I pin all together, if I do quads I will do half in one quads and half in other, and yes I do, but do you really think it could be prolactin? I head prolactin sides don't happen unless you get higher estrogen from e2 but if my estrogen was getting high my joints wouldn't be like this? was thinking maybe to lower mast and upping test a little bit, might help my joints, I need some advice!
Anonelevated prolactin is a common side affect from nandrolones and its dirivatives, like tren. so, he could be right. i'm not too keen on prolactin side effects other than decreased libido, so please feel free to elaborate..
not trying to tell you how to do you, bro.. i'd def kick up the test tho.. the prop ester has a fairly low short life as it is. although you're pinning ed, 175 mg a week aint much. adding to that, the short half life of the prop ester means that you're not sustaining a constant 175 mg. so, yeah, i'd kick up the test just for GP. keep in mind tho, bro, your estrogen WILL rise when you increase that test. prop has a high amoritization rate. i realize everyone's different, but that is a fact that simply cannot be avoided.
as I did elaborate, my libido is fine, and I was doing 150mg EOD and didn't have any estro issues, not even an itchy nip so I don'[t think upping to 50 ed would change it, but if it does I have AI on hand always, I just want to make sure my joints are okay!
Anonyeah, i hear ya bro. hope you find the answer. what i meant by "elaborate" tho was on the prolact side effects, bc i'm not too keen. just my laziness talking... i could just look it up.
high prolactin is just low sex drive, and small balls, for the most part, doesn't effect joints, so I'm think it's my dosages I need to arrange!
Anoncool. maybe so. fast48 is a smart guy. you should pick his brain a bit on the side bro.
i dont think the mast is going to hurt your joints....i havnt ran tren before but when running acetate i have seen test run as a 1:1 ratio before. maybe try upping your test dose a bit? a vet can elaborate i hope. also try separating the compound... like test and tren in one and mast in the other. as far as prolactin, i dont think it has anything to do with e2. is your libido down? any other symptoms?
Nope I'm still bustin nuts, and still the same rate, doesn't take any longer to get off, and no itchy nips or anything like that, so I'm almost sure nothing to do with prolactin, just dry joints I think from it taking in the water, and might be why I lost a little weight, and my joints hurting could be why my lifts went down a little bit, so if I figure out my joint problem and what I could do to fix it, I think that will help fix most things, if a vet can tell me to change around the dosages a bit I will try it for a few days and see if it helps.
Anonis this a blend you're pinning? or you got separate bottles of each? either way, what's your dose on each? for me, i start seeing tale tale signs of legit prop quickly. almost sounds like you're pinning some virgin muscles; just a guess. if so, that PIP may be recurring until you adapt. if you're going everyday, you doing just the glutes, or you switching it up between glutes, delts, and/or quads? a lil time between pins of the same muscle will def help bro. also, prop has a high amoritization rate, so an AI is important if you're not already running one, especailly if you're getting a lil "snappy" and short tempered. like to know your doses. also, only way to know for sure, bro, is labs. i'd keep running it and see what happens. next week, if possible, go have some blood work done. here's a link that may help, if needed: http://www.privatemdlabs.com/lab_benefits.php
would upping the test and lowering mast help my joints? I heard higher test makes tren sides worse though, advice!?
i assume with that combo you are trying to cut?
I eventually want to compete, I am trying to go pro, and I want to do lean solid gains, not really trying to cut, my diet is the same and everything, do you notice that combo giving sore joints? maybe up the test and lower mast?
did you start taking ai from day 1?
no, because when I took ai, with test e 500mg a week and dbol 50mg a day I got sore joints, my estro doesn't go up I don't believe, so if I take an ai my estro gets really low, plus my test is pretty low
how much tren are you pinning?
I just gave my dosages up there
Anonyour estro doesn't go up?